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Cap'n Cat wrote:Bill Maher and others like him are way beyond the comprehensive ability of most posters here. The guy, like Keith Olbermann, is God. If you can't appreciate him, the problem lies with you.


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... :roll:


Speaking of fools worshipping false deities...


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AZGrizFan wrote:
D1B wrote:
Go fuck yourself fat man, I'll do what I damn well please
Said the pot to the kettle. :lol: :lol:
You really can't take anything he says seriously, AZ...

...I mean, really, how much credit can you give to someone who celebrates infanticide?

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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:attacked by Cappy and T in the same thread...

i am a golden god! :lol: :lol:
You've been getting "golden" alright... :lol:
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Re: Bill Maher Reports: The Messiah Has No Clothes!!!

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travelinman67 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Said the pot to the kettle. :lol: :lol:
You really can't take anything he says seriously, AZ...

...I mean, really, how much credit can you give to someone who celebrates infanticide?

:shake:

My brother, blood of my blood, "celebrates infanticide"?
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travelinman67 wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:Bill Maher and others like him are way beyond the comprehensive ability of most posters here. The guy, like Keith Olbermann, is God. If you can't appreciate him, the problem lies with you.


:ugeek:
... :roll:


Speaking of fools worshipping false deities...


:coffee:
You're right, T. Pot, kettle kinda thing.




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Cap'n Cat wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
... :roll:


Speaking of fools worshipping false deities...


:coffee:
You're right, T. Pot, kettle kinda thing.




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Missed the mark again, Milkmouth. I've said Reagan was the best President in the past half-century, and possibly the past 150 years. He is not God.

I'm a Christian. I only believe in one God, and he doesn't run for political office or have a TV show.
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travelinman67 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Said the pot to the kettle. :lol: :lol:
You really can't take anything he says seriously, AZ...

...I mean, really, how much credit can you give to someone who celebrates infanticide?

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Re: Bill Maher Reports: The Messiah Has No Clothes!!!

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travelinman67 wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:
You're right, T. Pot, kettle kinda thing.




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:coffee:
Missed the mark again, Milkmouth. I've said Reagan was the best President in the past half-century, and possibly the past 150 years. He is not God.

I'm a Christian. I only believe in one God, and he doesn't run for political office or have a TV show.
Hey, Wring Around the Collar, MIllard Fillmore makes Reagan look like yer boy Dubya, so piss off.

And, you're about as religious as D1B's smelly sneakers, so don't be sharpenin' them rusty crucifixes around me, Fauntleroy!



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travelinman67 wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:
You're right, T. Pot, kettle kinda thing.




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:coffee:
Missed the mark again, Milkmouth. I've said Reagan was the best President in the past half-century, and possibly the past 150 years. He is not God.

I'm a Christian. I only believe in one God, and he doesn't run for political office or have a TV show.
Limpdick, here's something you also said while brimming with confidence:

"McJackoff could not have picked a better candidate for VP than Sarah Palin" Tman Summer 2008

The gift that keeps on giving :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
"Sarah Palin absolutely blew AWAY the audience tonight. If there was any doubt as to whether she was savvy enough, tough enough or smart enough to carry the mantle of Vice President, she put those fears to rest tonight. She took on Barack Obama DIRECTLY on every issue and exposed... She did it with warmth and humor, and came across as the every-person....it's becoming mroe and more clear that she was a genius pick for McCain."

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travelinman67 wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:
You're right, T. Pot, kettle kinda thing.




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:coffee:
Missed the mark again, Milkmouth. I've said Reagan was the best President in the past half-century, and possibly the past 150 years. He is not God.

I'm a Christian. I only believe in one God, and he doesn't run for political office or have a TV show.
Nor does he, in fact, exist. :poke:
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:attacked by Cappy and T in the same thread...

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i am a golden god! :lol: :lol:
That is quite the accomplishment!


Cappy, shouldn't an enlightened progressive such as yourself be open to different opinions and perspectives regarding the movement rather than ragging on TTBF like the Democratic Underground did to Jon a while back? Requiring blind obedience is a sure way to splinter the movement. ;)
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UNI88 wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:attacked by Cappy and T in the same thread...

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i am a golden god! :lol: :lol:
That is quite the accomplishment!


Cappy, shouldn't an enlightened progressive such as yourself be open to different opinions and perspectives regarding the movement rather than ragging on TTBF like the Democratic Underground did to Jon a while back? Requiring blind obedience is a sure way to splinter the movement. ;)

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travelinman67 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Said the pot to the kettle. :lol: :lol:
You really can't take anything he says seriously, AZ...

...I mean, really, how much credit can you give to someone who celebrates infanticide?

:shake:

Hey, St. Tman, big time christian, you ever read the bible? Well your god loves murdering children!

Read it and weep, dumbass. :lol:

Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)


God Will Kill Children

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)


Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)


God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)


Kill Old Men and Young Women

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.) :lol: :lol: :lol:

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)


More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)


Tman, believes in murder, especially children. :lol: :nod: :lol: :nod:

Christianity, what a fucking joke. :lol:
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Cap'n Cat wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
That is quite the accomplishment!


Cappy, shouldn't an enlightened progressive such as yourself be open to different opinions and perspectives regarding the movement rather than ragging on TTBF like the Democratic Underground did to Jon a while back? Requiring blind obedience is a sure way to splinter the movement. ;)

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Cappy, I'm trying to have fun too but there you go excluding me. Some big tent you got there! A couple of dozen people standing around slapping Mr. Happy like a bunch of 6th graders with their first Playboy. :lol:
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While at times I can agree or at least sympathize with what Maher has to say, I do feel like he aspires to become the same kind of godhead for the contrarian class that Limbaugh is for the right wing. The conceptual basis for his whole shtick is The Smartest Man in the Room sprinting up a crowded downward-bound escalator. Changes in the ruling class necessitates a change in tack, and Maher is just getting in at the front of the line so if/when popular opinion swings around against Obama, he can say he was there first. You can read into what he says as much or as little as you like, but anyone who chooses to do so should be aware that it doesn't really matter either way, because he's so goddamn cool he hates everything.

A few years ago he urged us as Americans to "be more cynical," so I did just that – starting with Bill Maher. And in honor of that smug fucker, I'm going to use that goddamn hateful coffee cup smiley. :coffee:
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bench wrote:While at times I can agree or at least sympathize with what Maher has to say, I do feel like he aspires to become the same kind of godhead for the contrarian class that Limbaugh is for the right wing. The conceptual basis for his whole shtick is The Smartest Man in the Room sprinting up a crowded downward-bound escalator. Changes in the ruling class necessitates a change in tack, and Maher is just getting in at the front of the line so if/when popular opinion swings around against Obama, he can say he was there first. You can read into what he says as much or as little as you like, but anyone who chooses to do so should be aware that it doesn't really matter either way, because he's so goddamn cool he hates everything.

A few years ago he urged us as Americans to "be more cynical," so I did just that – starting with Bill Maher. And in honor of that smug fucker, I'm going to use that goddamn hateful coffee cup smiley. :coffee:
He is a smug fucker, but he's dead on on alot of issues like religion and homosexual pedophilia rampant in catholic priests.

Look beyond his abraisive style, you'll find he will admit he was wrong or doesnt know something. Unlike Limpdick he often invites onto his show people of different perspectives to share their views, and while firm in his convictions, he's generally treats them with respect.

So you hate the guy's style, fine, but don't lump him in with Rush. :shake:
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JoltinJoe wrote:Groucho's use of the line is far more risque and clever. :rofl:

How did that get past the censors of Groucho's day?

As for Maher, that's the only really funny line in this piece.
You're right, it was VERY risque for the times. His whole show was like that. I have seen some old re-runs, but my Dad saw that particular episode back in the day and remembered how outrageous it was and how there was no outrage because Mrax could just get away with that kind of thing. Dad still talks about that show and that's why I knew Maher had ripped it off the moment I read it.
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I didn't know that I wasn't a fan of Bill Maher because I was intimidated by him. Thanks for the tip Cap'n. :lol: Intimidation is the sole reason for disliking others...you're fuckin' killing me. :lol:

Maher says some funny shit and makes some good points once in a while but I thought I didn't like the guy because of his overly smug too cool for the room thing that was mentioned previously. I am happy to have been shown the light on this one. :thumb:
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CID1990 wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:Groucho's use of the line is far more risque and clever. :rofl:

How did that get past the censors of Groucho's day?

As for Maher, that's the only really funny line in this piece.
You're right, it was VERY risque for the times. His whole show was like that. I have seen some old re-runs, but my Dad saw that particular episode back in the day and remembered how outrageous it was and how there was no outrage because Mrax could just get away with that kind of thing. Dad still talks about that show and that's why I knew Maher had ripped it off the moment I read it.
This is what pisses me off about Maher stealing Groucho's line.

Groucho Marx was a friggin' comic genius ... but he lived in a black and white era, when production techniques aren't what they are today, so many people just aren't inclined to watch his films. How many of us of watched Duck Soup, or A Night at the Opera, or Horesfeathers?

If you're going to use one of Groucho's line, be decent and throw the guy an acknowledgement. He's a giant of comedy and comedians of today owe it to him to educate their audiences about Groucho. How hard would it have been for Maher -- who obviously knew the source of his line -- to say, "To paraphrase Groucho Marx, I love my bong ...." No less a funny line, and you do honor to the memory of one of the all-time great comedians. Instead, Maher was just a thief who stole a line and pretended it was his.

This isn't the first time someone has stolen from Groucho; it happens to Jackie Gleason all the time too.

Maher, as Arnold Diaz would say, "Shame on you."
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JoltinJoe wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
You're right, it was VERY risque for the times. His whole show was like that. I have seen some old re-runs, but my Dad saw that particular episode back in the day and remembered how outrageous it was and how there was no outrage because Mrax could just get away with that kind of thing. Dad still talks about that show and that's why I knew Maher had ripped it off the moment I read it.
This is what pisses me off about Maher stealing Groucho's line.

Groucho Marx was a friggin' comic genius ... but he lived in a black and white era, when production techniques aren't what they are today, so many people just aren't inclined to watch his films. How many of us of watched Duck Soup, or A Night at the Opera, or Horesfeathers?

If you're going to use one of Groucho's line, be decent and throw the guy an acknowledgement. He's a giant of comedy and comedians of today owe it to him to educate their audiences about Groucho. How hard would it have been for Maher -- who obviously knew the source of his line -- to say, "To paraphrase Groucho Marx, I love my bong ...." No less a funny line, and you do honor to the memory of one of the all-time great comedians. Instead, Maher was just a thief who stole a line and pretended it was his.

This isn't the first time someone has stolen from Groucho; it happens to Jackie Gleason all the time too.

Maher, as Arnold Diaz would say, "Shame on you."
Do you expect every comedian to stop their routines to cite sources? They all rip each other off.

This is a non issue. :shake:

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bench wrote:While at times I can agree or at least sympathize with what Maher has to say, I do feel like he aspires to become the same kind of godhead for the contrarian class that Limbaugh is for the right wing. The conceptual basis for his whole shtick is The Smartest Man in the Room sprinting up a crowded downward-bound escalator. Changes in the ruling class necessitates a change in tack, and Maher is just getting in at the front of the line so if/when popular opinion swings around against Obama, he can say he was there first. You can read into what he says as much or as little as you like, but anyone who chooses to do so should be aware that it doesn't really matter either way, because he's so goddamn cool he hates everything.

A few years ago he urged us as Americans to "be more cynical," so I did just that – starting with Bill Maher. And in honor of that smug fucker, I'm going to use that goddamn hateful coffee cup smiley. :coffee:
QFA...

In fact, this is a better summation of my entire argument than i made in several posts... spot on bench.

(oh and by the way... stealing from a genius like Graucho Marx without giving credit is a dick move)
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D1B wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
You really can't take anything he says seriously, AZ...

...I mean, really, how much credit can you give to someone who celebrates infanticide?

:shake:

Hey, St. Tman, big time christian, you ever read the bible? Well your god loves murdering children!

Read it and weep, dumbass. :lol:
I see how this works. God doesn't exist, because He was made up by man. Then try to lay blame on said man made God. So, logic dictates that Man is the one who is killing the innocent. Well, correct me if I am wrong, but haven't most of the killings lately been by Hitler, Mao and Stalin? None of those were made up by anyone.

The made up God has directed the killings of only thousands compared to the real men who have killed multiple millions. Let me recap. Some burlap wearing long hair with sandals says God told him to kill everyone and that cuts the mustard in regards to genocide thousands of years ago. I can see how that would compare to the three largest killing atheists of all time.

A dusty hippy on peyote vs Hitler, Mao and Stalin.

GOT IT! Thanks for clearing that one up!

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D1B wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
This is what pisses me off about Maher stealing Groucho's line.

Groucho Marx was a friggin' comic genius ... but he lived in a black and white era, when production techniques aren't what they are today, so many people just aren't inclined to watch his films. How many of us of watched Duck Soup, or A Night at the Opera, or Horesfeathers?

If you're going to use one of Groucho's line, be decent and throw the guy an acknowledgement. He's a giant of comedy and comedians of today owe it to him to educate their audiences about Groucho. How hard would it have been for Maher -- who obviously knew the source of his line -- to say, "To paraphrase Groucho Marx, I love my bong ...." No less a funny line, and you do honor to the memory of one of the all-time great comedians. Instead, Maher was just a thief who stole a line and pretended it was his.

This isn't the first time someone has stolen from Groucho; it happens to Jackie Gleason all the time too.

Maher, as Arnold Diaz would say, "Shame on you."
Do you expect every comedian to stop their routines to cite sources? They all rip each other off.

This is a non issue. :shake:

Joltin Joe = Treasurer of the Groucho Marx Fan Club 1978 - 1998
I expect comedians to be original and, in those rare occassions when they borrow, to acknowledge it. Passing off someone else's line as your own is plagiarism.

Plagiarize: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive verb
: to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source
(source: Merriam-Webster On-Line Dictionnary).
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Re: Bill Maher Reports: The Messiah Has No Clothes!!!

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SeattleGriz wrote:
D1B wrote:

Hey, St. Tman, big time christian, you ever read the bible? Well your god loves murdering children!

Read it and weep, dumbass. :lol:
I see how this works. God doesn't exist, because He was made up by man. Then try to lay blame on said man made God. So, logic dictates that Man is the one who is killing the innocent. Well, correct me if I am wrong, but haven't most of the killings lately been by Hitler, Mao and Stalin? None of those were made up by anyone.

The made up God has directed the killings of only thousands compared to the real men who have killed multiple millions. Let me recap. Some burlap wearing long hair with sandals says God told him to kill everyone and that cuts the mustard in regards to genocide thousands of years ago. I can see how that would compare to the three largest killing atheists of all time.

A dusty hippy on peyote vs Hitler, Mao and Stalin.

GOT IT! Thanks for clearing that one up!

Next.
Well, D, I know how this goes. D1B will claim that although Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists, they killed not because of their atheism, but because they were communists. And then he will claim that communists are more like religious people than atheists. Thus, the mass slaughter which these atheists committed had nothing to do with their atheism.

In making this simple and flawed argument, D1B will never once consider or reference the writings of 19th century giants like Dostoyevsky, who accurately argued and predicted that the "idealistic" classless societies advocated by Marxist-influenced political philosophers of his day would inevitably adopt atheism as their official states, because of atheism's denial of objective truth.

Or even his beloved Nietzsche, who declared the end of faith-based objective truth, but himself recognized that his outlook was prone to abuse by political systems which would substitute some other "truth" for historical concepts of "objective truth," a concept which had been based on the "outdated" belief in God.

Or that Dostoyevsky chillingly warned in The Possessed that the denial of objective truth, and the adoption of atheism as official state positions, would cause the death of "one hundred million," in the name of "reason," in the coming century.

In other words, D1B will deny that rather obvious connection between commuism as a political system and atheism as its house position on faith -- because of the need of the political system to define itself as the source of moral authority and law-making, and atheism would allow the political system to do so.

He will call Hitler a "Christian" and a "Catholic," and in doing so, he will fail to consider the positions of numerous historians that Hitler's public expressions of religion were facades intended to curry favor with the Protestant majority in Germany. He will deny any source which quotes Hitler speaking to his intimates about exterminating the Christian faith. He will deny the existence of orders by the German Catholic bishops which resulted in the excommunication of all members of the Nazi party from the Catholic Church.

So there is no point to this debate, as I see it, because D1B is not familiar with Dostoyevksy or other 19th century writers who were critical about the predicted coming era of atheism as the moral position of the rationalist, and how and why that atheism would devolve into a tool used to slaughter tens of millions.

Because he has not read these writers, he cannot respond to them. And the under-read writers who flood the interent with their visions of life-affirming atheism similarly share the same blind spot, because they have not read these writers either. So the websites that D1B likes to rely upon are no help to him, because they don't understand or anticipate these arguments.

And until D1B explains why these 19th century writers were wrong - especially in that they have been proven right by the passage of time -- he will not convince anyone that Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot's atheism had nothing to do with the slaughter they authorized. Ultimately, D1B will say that I'm a brainwashed Catholic, unable to think for myself, and will say that I am blindly following something that was drilled into me in grammar school. He will call me a "liar" for saying that my current beliefs were formed later in life, in college, although I think it is pretty clear from what I say that my decisions to believe were informed, among other things, on the writings of Christian existentialists that I frequently cite. Honestly, I did not read Dostoyevsky in grammar school.

All this, however, will not prevent him from declaring victory in the debate.

I have said everything I have to say. The End.
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