Dershowitz - What Law did Trump Break - NONE

[andy7171]

Jebus! What is going to happen when he gets re-elected? The minority is going to go into conniption fits!!!

You know that wont happen. Too many members of his own party are already exhausted by his shit.

Who cares about the members of his own party? He's popular amongst us regular ordinaries.

[GannonFan]

You know that wont happen. Too many members of his own party are already exhausted by his ****.

Who cares about the members of his own party? He's popular amongst us regular ordinaries.

I believe the word, Andy, is deplorables. Possibly irredeemable as well. Besides, the GOP in DC was never for Trump, he won the GOP nomination against their best efforts to block him.

[CitadelGrad]

That was also last week. This story if moving pretty fast.

We're mounting quite a bit of evidence for obstruction of justice.

And, we'll see what the FinCEN shows.

But, remember this is a counterintelligence investigation. Almost all of the evidence is classified. Yes, you can argue "if there was evidence, it would have leaked." But, I don't think that's necessarily true.

Yeah, because Obama loyalists who are holdovers in the Trump administration have shown no willingness to leak highly classified information.

[Skjellyfetti]

Well, we don't know who the leakers are. And, they certainly haven't shown a propensity to leak everything at once...

drip... drip... drip...

[Skjellyfetti]

You do understand that the reporter on the story that claims Trump kinda/sorta asked Comey to drop the investigation never saw the memo. He quoted someone who claimed to have seen it .

Nothing like building a case in the media using third-hand information...

And if Comey confirms it, then its a story...otherwise, third hand info...

What if Comey doesn't confirm the story...what then?

Yep. We haven't seen any evidence so far. Only been told about alleged memos and statements that anonymous sources claimed that Trump said. Anonymous & alleged doesn't equal evidence...

Turns out the memo seems to have been relayed very accurately to NYT.

Even verbatim.

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/p ... ation.html

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn
go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sit ... 060817.pdf

[GannonFan]

You do understand that the reporter on the story that claims Trump kinda/sorta asked Comey to drop the investigation never saw the memo. He quoted someone who claimed to have seen it .

Nothing like building a case in the media using third-hand information...

And if Comey confirms it, then its a story...otherwise, third hand info...

What if Comey doesn't confirm the story...what then?

Yep. We haven't seen any evidence so far. Only been told about alleged memos and statements that anonymous sources claimed that Trump said. Anonymous & alleged doesn't equal evidence...

Bump.

Memos seem to have been relayed very accurately to NYT.

Even verbatim.

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/p ... ation.html

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn
go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sit ... 060817.pdf

So the only thing that wasn't covered was the scope - Comey felt that Trump was specifically talking about the failure for Flynn to disclose the conversation with the Russian ambassador during the transition (i.e. after the election) and the innuendo from many in the press was that Trump was asking Comey to back off the investigation in the Russian interference with the election. Pretty significant difference, though.

[Skjellyfetti]

There's no difference.

The NYT article doesn't say Trump asked him to drop his investigation into Russia. Just into Flynn...

President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.

“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.

Nothing is contradicted in the NYT story.

the innuendo from many in the press was that Trump was asking Comey to back off the investigation in the Russian interference with the election.

I don't know exactly what you're talking about here. I'm not sure if there were some random talking heads spewing BS on CNN or something.

But, the NYT, WaPo, etc. did not insinuate anything like that.

[93henfan]

So what law was broken again?

[GannonFan]

There's no difference.

The NYT article doesn't say Trump asked him to drop his investigation into Russia. Just into Flynn...

President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.

“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.

Nothing is contradicted in the NYT story.

Of course it is - the NYT from then makes no distinction in scope of the investigation in Flynn while Comey's actual statement tomorrow makes a clear distinction between the investigation into Flynn's meeting with and failure to disclose the conversation with the Russian ambassador in December (again, after the election) and that Trump, as Comey understood it, was speaking about that, and the separate investigation into Russian interference in the election, something Comey is clear to say in his written statement that Trump was not asking him to back off of. Prior reporting only included the part of Trump asking to back off of Flynn and to drop it - Comey's actual statement clarifies what Trump was alluding to.

[Col Hogan]

So what law was broken again?

None...or as all the young folks are saying, a big nothing burger...

I know some folks are crying right now because they were hoping everything was going to blow up with Comey's testimony...

But if he sticks to the opening statement as released, those hoping for immediate impeachment are really in for a downer...

[Skjellyfetti]

Of course it is - the NYT from then makes no distinction in scope of the investigation in Flynn while Comey's actual statement tomorrow makes a clear distinction between the investigation into Flynn's meeting with and failure to disclose the conversation with the Russian ambassador in December (again, after the election) and that Trump, as Comey understood it, was speaking about that, and the separate investigation into Russian interference in the election, something Comey is clear to say in his written statement that Trump was not asking him to back off of. Prior reporting only included the part of Trump asking to back off of Flynn and to drop it - Comey's actual statement clarifies what Trump was alluding to.

It literally says they were separate.

Mr. McCabe was referring to the broad investigation into possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. The investigation into Mr. Flynn is separate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/p ... ation.html

[AshevilleApp]

He's an asshole, but he won't get impeached.

[93henfan]

He's an asshole, but he won't get impeached.

Exactly.

[Col Hogan]

He's an asshole, but he won't get impeached.

Exactly.

Yup

[BDKJMU]

Exactly.

Yup

Ditto x 4

[JohnStOnge]

I don't think I ever said Trump could not win the Republican nomination. I said if he did it'd be a disaster for the Republican Party. And it is.

Yes they have the Presidency. But they could've nominated Rubio or Kasich and they'd have beaten Clinton worse than Trump did. And they wouldn't have this absolute clown/atrocity destroying their credibility.

I did think early on that if they nominated Trump he wouldn't win. But that's because I thought there was no way White Evangelical Christians would support a totally immoral, dishonest, hedonist such as Trump. I did turn out to be wrong about that.

Later when polls showed that the overwhelming majority of White Evangelical Christians were either willing to be total hypocrites or be in total denial as to the reality of what Trump is I became concerned. And, as you know, on election eve I was posting that the election as too close to call using the polls and that he could win.

[Ivytalk]

So what law was broken again?

None...or as all the young folks are saying, a big nothing burger...

I know some folks are crying right now because they were hoping everything was going to blow up with Comey's testimony...

But if he sticks to the opening statement as released, those hoping for immediate impeachment are really in for a downer...

Hogie FTW!

[Ivytalk]

I don't think I ever said Trump could not win the Republican nomination. I said if he did it'd be a disaster for the Republican Party. And it is.

Yes they have the Presidency. But they could've nominated Rubio or Kasich and they'd have beaten Clinton worse than Trump did. And they wouldn't have this absolute clown/atrocity destroying their credibility.

I did think early on that if they nominated Trump he wouldn't win. But that's because I thought there was no way White Evangelical Christians would support a totally immoral, dishonest, hedonist such as Trump. I did turn out to be wrong about that.

Later when polls showed that the overwhelming majority of White Evangelical Christians were either willing to be total hypocrites or be in total denial as to the reality of what Trump is I became concerned. And, as you know, on election eve I was posting that the election as too close to call using the polls and that he could win.

This post is a non-sequitur, John. Even for you.

[houndawg]

So what law was broken again?

None...or as all the young folks are saying, a big nothing burger...

I know some folks are crying right now because they were hoping everything was going to blow up with Comey's testimony...

But if he sticks to the opening statement as released, those hoping for immediate impeachment are really in for a downer...

Would have agreed with you a couple of weeks ago, but, I'm coming around to thinking that I'd rather have this buffoon than either Pence or Ryan. The entertainment value alone...

When else will you be able to see right wingers worshipping Alan Dershowitz?

[houndawg]

I don't think I ever said Trump could not win the Republican nomination. I said if he did it'd be a disaster for the Republican Party. And it is.

Yes they have the Presidency. But they could've nominated Rubio or Kasich and they'd have beaten Clinton worse than Trump did. And they wouldn't have this absolute clown/atrocity destroying their credibility.

I did think early on that if they nominated Trump he wouldn't win. But that's because I thought there was no way White Evangelical Christians would support a totally immoral, dishonest, hedonist such as Trump. I did turn out to be wrong about that.

Later when polls showed that the overwhelming majority of White Evangelical Christians were either willing to be total hypocrites or be in total denial as to the reality of what Trump is I became concerned. And, as you know, on election eve I was posting that the election as too close to call using the polls and that he could win.

Been telling you for years that your evangelical pals were slimy fvcks that never believed a word of their own bullshit.

Pay attention when I'm​ talking to you. I won't always be here to help you through life.

[AZGrizFan]

I don't think I ever said Trump could not win the Republican nomination. I said if he did it'd be a disaster for the Republican Party. And it is.

Yes they have the Presidency. But they could've nominated Rubio or Kasich and they'd have beaten Clinton worse than Trump did. And they wouldn't have this absolute clown/atrocity destroying their credibility.

I did think early on that if they nominated Trump he wouldn't win. But that's because I thought there was no way White Evangelical Christians would support a totally immoral, dishonest, hedonist such as Trump. I did turn out to be wrong about that.

Later when polls showed that the overwhelming majority of White Evangelical Christians were either willing to be total hypocrites or be in total denial as to the reality of what Trump is I became concerned. And, as you know, on election eve I was posting that the election as too close to call using the polls and that he could win.

Been telling you for years that your evangelical pals were slimy fvcks that never believed a word of their own bullshit.

Pay attention when I'm​ talking to you. I won't always be here to help you through life.

Go easy on him, dawg, he almost got a divorce last night.

[houndawg]

Been telling you for years that your evangelical pals were slimy fvcks that never believed a word of their own bullshit.

Pay attention when I'm​ talking to you. I won't always be here to help you through life.

Go easy on him, dawg, he almost got a divorce last night.

dinner conversation must've been interesting...

[JohnStOnge]

If the Democrats controlled Congress he'd be headed for impeachment proceedings already. Since the Republicans do he could do a whole lot worse with no worries. That's the nature of our two party system. We've got two major political parties and for the most part members of each of them care more about the well being of their own party with respect to the balance of power than they do about the well being of the country.

Either way, if Comey was telling the truth and we combine that with Trump's own statements on why he fired the FBI Director Trump first tried to pressure Comey with respect to dropping a matter then fired him after he didn't drop it.

And yes any person with any sense would conclude that when you ask someone if they want to keep their job then tell them you hope they drop a matter that's pressuring them to drop the matter.

It's broader than Flynn too. Trump out and out said he fired Comey because of the Russia matter. Then he reportedly told the Russians the pressure related to the Russia matter was off because he'd fired Comey.

Whether it's illegal or not it's extremely corrupt behavior. But people have been defending the indefensible with Trump for a long time now, so it doesn't surprise me that they're doing it now as well.

[JohnStOnge]

Been telling you for years that your evangelical pals were slimy fvcks that never believed a word of their own bullshit.

My closest evangelical pal is my wife. She resigned her position as a State Republican Central Committee member, a position she worked very hard to gain, because the Republican Party nominated Trump. She also changed her voter registration from Republican to independent.

My next closest evangelical pals are my son and daughter. Neither of them voted for Trump and both are horrified by the fact that so many evangelicals did.

Other then them I don't think I have too many evangelical pals. So from my standpoint my own evangelical pals conducted themselves with integrity. They are not hypocrites.

It's not because of me either. They are all independent thinkers who make up their own minds about things. Disagree with me on many things. I am very proud of all of them, especially given the phenomenon whereby so many Evangelical Christians and/or Conservatives completely threw all sense of integrity and principle out the window during the 2016 election season.

[CID1990]

Been telling you for years that your evangelical pals were slimy fvcks that never believed a word of their own bullshit.

My closest evangelical pal is my wife. She resigned her position as a State Republican Central Committee member, a position she worked very hard to gain, because the Republican Party nominated Trump. She also changed her voter registration from Republican to independent.

My next closest evangelical pals are my son and daughter. Neither of them voted for Trump and both are horrified by the fact that so many evangelicals did.

Other then them I don't think I have too many evangelical pals. So from my standpoint my own evangelical pals conducted themselves with integrity. They are not hypocrites.

It's not because of me either. They are all independent thinkers who make up their own minds about things. Disagree with me on many things. I am very proud of all of them, especially given the phenomenon whereby so many Evangelical Christians and/or Conservatives completely threw all sense of integrity and principle out the window during the 2016 election season.

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