Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?

[CAA Flagship]

Someone needs to define "good scoring". Is it from the perspective of the poorest citizen, the chronically ill, the Federal budget, the States' budgets, the middle class, 20-somethings, taxpayers as a whole, quality healhcare, quality options, etc.? No one plan will satisfy all.

[Ibanez]

The last bill tanked after CBO scores came out.

I look forward to seeing what the CBO says about this turd

I'm sure it will stink. But CBO scores lack any relevancy anyway, especially on health care. Obamacare was given a good score by the CBO and we should be seeing the cost curve bend downwards by now if that was true. However, with insurers fleeing the exchanges it's clear that isn't sustainable despite the positive view of the CBO score.

Until we move to a single payer system and limit the cost and/or availability of procedures and medicines there won't be a good scoring health bill (well, one scored properly - there's plenty of ways to manipulate a score that doesn't reflect reality, ala Obamacare). Of course, once we limit the cost and/or availability of procedures and medicines I'm sure there'll be other things that crop up to worry about.

You made me Google the projections vs reality. So...here's one take on it

The CBO actually nailed the overall impact of the law on the uninsured pretty closely. It predicted a big drop in the percentage of people under age 65 who would lack insurance, and that turned out to be the case. CBO projected that in 2016 that nonelderly rate would fall to 11 percent, and the latest figure put the actual rate at 10.3 percent.

It’s true (as Trump administration officials have repeatedly pointed out) that CBO greatly overestimated the number who would get government-subsidized coverage through the new insurance exchanges. But at the same time, CBO underestimated the number who would get coverage through expanding Medicaid.
And whatever the failings of CBO’s predictions, they were closer to the mark than those of the Obama administration and some other prominent forecasters.

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/cbos-o ... -accurate/

[Ibanez]

Someone needs to define "good scoring". Is it from the perspective of the poorest citizen, the chronically ill, the Federal budget, the States' budgets, the middle class, 20-somethings, taxpayers as a whole, quality healhcare, quality options, etc.? No one plan will satisfy all.

It's not going to do that. There are too many variables. The CBO simply measures a proposed law against the current baseline. So..AHCA vs ACA.

[Skjellyfetti]

[HI54UNI]

How many people think that is referring to Obamacare vs. the new bill?

[89Hen]

How many people think that is referring to Obamacare vs. the new bill?

Square root of 48.

[CAA Flagship]

How many people think that is referring to Obamacare vs. the new bill?

Square root of 48.

[HI54UNI]

How many people think that is referring to Obamacare vs. the new bill?

Square root of 48.

[Skjellyfetti]

How many people think that is referring to Obamacare vs. the new bill?

Obamacare is at 55% last I checked.

And, this is how the question was asked:

49. There is a Republican health care plan to replace Obamacare, known as the American Health Care Act. Do you approve or disapprove of this Republican health care plan?

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-de ... aseID=2463

[Ibanez]

How many people think that is referring to Obamacare vs. the new bill?

Square root of 48.

Btw, how long did it take you to figure out an equation that resulted in 6.93?

[89Hen]

Square root of 48.

Btw, how long did it take you to figure out an equation that resulted in 6.93?

Not very long. I am in Mensa after all.

[GannonFan]

How many people think that is referring to Obamacare vs. the new bill?

Obamacare is at 55% last I checked.

And, this is how the question was asked:

49. There is a Republican health care plan to replace Obamacare, known as the American Health Care Act. Do you approve or disapprove of this Republican health care plan?

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-de ... aseID=2463

Truth be told, those are all probably bogus polling. The vast majority of people don't know what's in Obamacare or the Republican alternative. Most people probably wouldn't know what the actual system that's known as Obamacare actually is if you called it by that name. The survey of who likes Obama is probably very similar to the survey of who likes Obamacare - the poll responses likely have nothing to do with an actual health care opinion. Just like I'm sure Trump's approval numbers are very close to the approval numbers of the Republican plan because you said Trump and Republican in the question. Al Franken's book title about lies comes to mind when I hear stats like these.

[CID1990]

I love it when people are polled about things they know nothing about

That poll question is like going into a trailer park in Arkansas and asking them how they feel about the effect of dark matter on gravitation

[GannonFan]

I love it when people are polled about things they know nothing about

That poll question is like going into a trailer park in Arkansas and asking them how they feel about the effect of dark matter on gravitation

Is it the trailer park from "The Last Starfighter"? I think it was called something like Starlite or Starbright or something. If it is then those folks might be more in tune with the latest scientific insights on dark matter. Or they might think you're just talking about some African-American thing. Tough call.

[89Hen]

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[BDKJMU]

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(Especially the last guy).

[Ivytalk]

CBO score isn't perfect - but it's the least biased sense of a bill we have. At least that I'm aware of. It's certainly better than a report authored by a partisan think tank.

I'm just curious how we are to make informed decisions about massive legislation like this? CBO is bunk. Think tanks are bunk. Media reporting is bunk.

What do you use to form opinions and draw conclusions?

I just use your fvcking graphs.

[Skjellyfetti]

So, a summary of the Senate bill was released today.

Rand Paul, Ron Johnson, Mike Lee, Ted Cruz have come out against it on conservative principles.

There are a whole lot of moderate Republicans still on the fence: Capito, Collins, Flake, Heller, Murkowski, Gardner, and Portman.

[93henfan]

They'd be dumb to pass anything. Let the Dems own it for the POS that it is - which is a poison pill.

[OL FU]

So, a summary of the Senate bill was released today.

Rand Paul, Ron Johnson, Mike Lee, Ted Boobs have come out against it on conservative principles.

There are a whole lot of moderate Republicans still on the fence: Capito, Collins, Flake, Heller, Murkowski, Gardner, and Portman.

What's this one called?

There'sNoSthingasanAffordableCareAct

[Chizzang]

They'd be dumb to pass anything. Let the Dems own it for the POS that it is - which is a poison pill.

Agreed...
But they are dumb
and they are pompous

[kalm]

Some cuts that will affect a large number of people. And where are the parts where insurance costs are reduced?

Senate Republicans on Thursday released their health care bill, which would repeal the Affordable Care Act and make significant changes to the nation’s health system.

The bill would cut federal Medicaid funding, repeal taxes on the rich that paid for some health insurance subsidies and require people to make less money in order to receive those subsidies.

It also bars Planned Parenthood from being reimbursed by Medicaid for non-abortion health care services it provides, such as STD treatment and cancer screening. The organization is already barred from seeking reimbursement for abortion-related health care services.

It is intended to be a compromise between the Affordable Care Act and the health bill passed by House Republicans in May. Here’s a breakdown of how the bills differ from current law and from each other.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/j ... care-bill/

[CAA Flagship]

Some cuts that will affect a large number of people. And where are the parts where insurance costs are reduced?

Did you read the bill?

[kalm]

Some cuts that will affect a large number of people. And where are the parts where insurance costs are reduced?

Did you read the bill?

Who hasn't?

[kalm]

What groups does this bill benefit?