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JohnStOnge wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:Top Ten most Left-Biased American Journalists – #4: Chuck Todd, NBC

http://www.publiusforum.com/2010/07/20/ ... -todd-nbc/
I normally try to avoid being ad hominem but I guess nowadays it's impossible. You just posted a piece about bias crafted by someone who is associated with Breitbart.

There's a certain irony to that.
Um

I am the CS.com Sage of Logical Fallacies, Mister.

What you described is not an Ad Hominem attack

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CID1990 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
I normally try to avoid being ad hominem but I guess nowadays it's impossible. You just posted a piece about bias crafted by someone who is associated with Breitbart.

There's a certain irony to that.
Um

I am the CS.com Sage of Logical Fallacies, Mister.

What you described is not an Ad Hominem attack

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It is. The ad hominem attack I was talking about was discrediting the author's arguments because he is associated with Breitbart.

I know you already know this but, from https://literarydevices.net/ad-hominem/:
Ad hominem is a Latin word that means “against the man.” As the name suggests, it is a literary term that involves commenting on or against an opponent, to undermine him instead of his arguments.

There are cases in which, whether consciously or unconsciously, people start to question the opponent or his personal associations, rather than evaluating the soundness and validity of the argument that he presents.
That's what I was talking about. I was basically discrediting the author on the basis of him being associated with Breitbart.

Like I said there was a time when I tried to completely avoid doing that sort of thing. But it's gotten really tough in the political realm.
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Re: The CNN Troll Thread

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JohnStOnge wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Um

I am the CS.com Sage of Logical Fallacies, Mister.

What you described is not an Ad Hominem attack

You have one opportunity to correct youself


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It is. The ad hominem attack I was talking about was discrediting the author's arguments because he is associated with Breitbart.

I know you already know this but, from https://literarydevices.net/ad-hominem/:
Ad hominem is a Latin word that means “against the man.” As the name suggests, it is a literary term that involves commenting on or against an opponent, to undermine him instead of his arguments.

There are cases in which, whether consciously or unconsciously, people start to question the opponent or his personal associations, rather than evaluating the soundness and validity of the argument that he presents.
That's what I was talking about. I was basically discrediting the author on the basis of him being associated with Breitbart.

Like I said there was a time when I tried to completely avoid doing that sort of thing. But it's gotten really tough in the political realm.
Incorrect.

Your logical fallacy (which you have freely admitted to) fits squarely into another category (which is related to the Ad Hominem attack but not the same)

Go look it up and report back to me.


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I understand if you haven't paid attention to stuff I've been posting for years on this site and before that on AGS. But if perchance you HAVE paid any attention to it you know that I am a libertarian conservative. Extreme conservative, in fact.

It just so happens that I realize that Trump is an atrocity. I realize that he is an extremely dishonest, horribly unqualified, and probably mentally ill person who has no business being President. I realize that the conservatives have really screwed up by virtue of rallying behind him.

The fact that I realize that my "side" screwed up in this case doesn't mean I'm not a conservative.

John, you really got me curious now? Who would have been your ideal conservative candidate?


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Skjellyfetti wrote:Warner Todd Huston is the pinnacle of objective journalism. Anything to the left of Warner Todd Huston is Mao.
Ergo Chuck Todd is super left!!!! :lol:
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Jjoey52 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
I understand if you haven't paid attention to stuff I've been posting for years on this site and before that on AGS. But if perchance you HAVE paid any attention to it you know that I am a libertarian conservative. Extreme conservative, in fact.

It just so happens that I realize that Trump is an atrocity. I realize that he is an extremely dishonest, horribly unqualified, and probably mentally ill person who has no business being President. I realize that the conservatives have really screwed up by virtue of rallying behind him.

The fact that I realize that my "side" screwed up in this case doesn't mean I'm not a conservative.

John, you really got me curious now? Who would have been your ideal conservative candidate?


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Jjoey52 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
I understand if you haven't paid attention to stuff I've been posting for years on this site and before that on AGS. But if perchance you HAVE paid any attention to it you know that I am a libertarian conservative. Extreme conservative, in fact.

It just so happens that I realize that Trump is an atrocity. I realize that he is an extremely dishonest, horribly unqualified, and probably mentally ill person who has no business being President. I realize that the conservatives have really screwed up by virtue of rallying behind him.

The fact that I realize that my "side" screwed up in this case doesn't mean I'm not a conservative.

John, you really got me curious now? Who would have been your ideal conservative candidate?


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kalm wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: It's a bird , it's a plane, it's Super Left!! :mrgreen:

89 is right. Todd is to the left of Mao.
Getting rolled by the gawdammed board curmudgeons.... :ohno:
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JohnStOnge wrote:I normally try to avoid being ad hominem but I guess nowadays it's impossible. You just posted a piece about bias crafted by someone who is associated with Breitbart.

There's a certain irony to that.
Not so fast.

1. Do you think a left leaning organization would create a list like this? Would they even recognize left bias?
2. Why would it invalidate a list of all lefty journalists? I'm not sure it made any claims about people they like being in the middle. It just raked those they see as being most left.
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
Getting rolled by the gawdammed board curmudgeons.... :ohno:
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Bitch please... :tothehand:

Your objectivity regarding left and right is about like a Lehigh fan's objectivity regarding Patriot League at-large bids.
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: FIFY
Bitch please... :tothehand:

Your objectivity regarding left and right is about like a Lehigh fan's objectivity regarding Patriot League at-large bids.
Nobody here has real objectivity kalm, but have you ever heard me say Fox or a right pundit isn't right leaning? Chuck Todd is a liberal. Everyone sees it except you.
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
Bitch please... :tothehand:

Your objectivity regarding left and right is about like a Lehigh fan's objectivity regarding Patriot League at-large bids.
Nobody here has real objectivity kalm, but have you ever heard me say Fox or a right pundit isn't right leaning? Chuck Todd is a liberal. Everyone sees it except you.
But is Fox "super right"? Are they to the right of the Taliban? :suspicious:

Just stop... :lol:
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Nobody here has real objectivity kalm, but have you ever heard me say Fox or a right pundit isn't right leaning? Chuck Todd is a liberal. Everyone sees it except you.
But is Fox "super right"? Are they to the right of the Taliban? :suspicious:

Just stop... :lol:
Fox is super right. Have I ever hinted at anything short of that?

Put it this way, Chuck Todd is as far left as Sean Hannity is right. So you decide how far Chuck Todd is.
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
But is Fox "super right"? Are they to the right of the Taliban? :suspicious:

Just stop... :lol:
Fox is super right. Have I ever hinted at anything short of that?

Put it this way, Chuck Todd is as far left as Sean Hannity is right. So you decide how far Chuck Todd is.
Oh good lord... :lol:
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Fox is super right. Have I ever hinted at anything short of that?

Put it this way, Chuck Todd is as far left as Sean Hannity is right. So you decide how far Chuck Todd is.
Oh good lord... :lol:
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Fox is super right. Have I ever hinted at anything short of that?

Put it this way, Chuck Todd is as far left as Sean Hannity is right. So you decide how far Chuck Todd is.
Oh good lord... :lol:
That's Lord. In algebraic form...

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I don't have any problem with this

Chuck Todd = Sean Hannity

:nod:
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Chizzang wrote:I don't have any problem with this

Chuck Todd = Sean Hannity

:nod:
I find this thread fascinating. I'm pretty sure I've seen Sean Hannity before, and at the least I've heard his name. I probably couldn't pick him out of a line-up, but I know I should know who Sean Hannity is. But I honestly had no idea there was a Chuck Todd in the world before this thread, and that he is the liberal equivalent of Sean Hannity. I've always been an ABCNews guy (Peter Jennings fan and the local ABC station has the best news with Jim Gardner) and sometimes CNN during big events (I liked PBS during the last election, they had the gist of NPR but in TV format), so I must not be dabbling enough in the other stations.
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GannonFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:I don't have any problem with this

Chuck Todd = Sean Hannity

:nod:
I find this thread fascinating. I'm pretty sure I've seen Sean Hannity before, and at the least I've heard his name. I probably couldn't pick him out of a line-up, but I know I should know who Sean Hannity is. But I honestly had no idea there was a Chuck Todd in the world before this thread, and that he is the liberal equivalent of Sean Hannity. I've always been an ABCNews guy (Peter Jennings fan and the local ABC station has the best news with Jim Gardner) and sometimes CNN during big events (I liked PBS during the last election, they had the gist of NPR but in TV format), so I must not be dabbling enough in the other stations.
Just to put it in perspective
When Hannity was trying to "grow his show" he had a billboard of himself in Los Angeles...
It was of just his head
and the line item was: Sean Hannity, a great American

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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
But is Fox "super right"? Are they to the right of the Taliban? :suspicious:

Just stop... :lol:
Fox is super right. Have I ever hinted at anything short of that?

Put it this way, Chuck Todd is as far left as Sean Hannity is right. So you decide how far Chuck Todd is.
Chuck Todd is as ethically dishonest as Hannity as Tapper as Maddow, etc.... Not a shred of journalistic integrity in the bunch.


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Maddow = Sean Hannity, imo

Chuck Todd is more like Chris Wallace

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Skjellyfetti wrote:Maddow = Sean Hannity, imo

Chuck Todd is more like Chris Wallace

<ducks head>
:lol: :nod:

I'd hate to see some of these guys stumble across an Amy Goodman or a Jimmy Dore... :lol:
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kalm wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:Maddow = Sean Hannity, imo

Chuck Todd is more like Chris Wallace

<ducks head>
:lol: :nod:

I'd hate to see some of these guys stumble across an Amy Goodman or a Jimmy Dore... :lol:
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CID1990 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
It is. The ad hominem attack I was talking about was discrediting the author's arguments because he is associated with Breitbart.

I know you already know this but, from https://literarydevices.net/ad-hominem/:



That's what I was talking about. I was basically discrediting the author on the basis of him being associated with Breitbart.

Like I said there was a time when I tried to completely avoid doing that sort of thing. But it's gotten really tough in the political realm.
Incorrect.

Your logical fallacy (which you have freely admitted to) fits squarely into another category (which is related to the Ad Hominem attack but not the same)

Go look it up and report back to me.
I think the approach I took meets the definition of ad hominem argument. But feel free to make your case for it better fitting the definition of another logical fallacy. If you're correct I will have learned something.
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
:lol: :nod:

I'd hate to see some of these guys stumble across an Amy Goodman or a Jimmy Dore... :lol:
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