Probably a trump supporter.JohnStOnge wrote:I'm not a fan of the Affordable Care Act just because I think the fact that the public has generally accepted the idea that health care is a "right" is a bad thing. But I still have to marvel at how people will make bad decisions then blame the system for their problems.
Today I saw an interview with a woman complaining about the cost of her premiums under the ACA. But here's the thing: She retired at 62. She was talking about being covered by Medicare at 65. So anyway she had a job with an employer provided health plan such that she was paying $40 per month for health insurance. She retired and the best she could get under the ACA with comparable coverage is $800 per month. She's a diabetic and she was complaining that because insurance cost so much she just went without it so didn't get all the treatment and medication she needed.
My thing is: Why the hell didn't she wait until she was 65 and was covered by Medicare to retire? I mean, when she's got diabetes and she's covered for $40 per month and the cost is going to go to $800 a month if she retires why the hell would she retire at 62?
Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?

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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... part-time/
So the GP's make enough money to only work part-time, there is a doctor shortage, which doesn't seem to be pay related. Not sure how privatizing this would change those metrics. Private insurance would like pay even less.
But details are tough when a soundbite will do, amirite?
But wait, wait times in the US are just as bad if not worse...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapse ... f64b172e74
And from 2014...
Americans are more likely to wait for office-based medical appointments that are not good sources of revenue for hospitals and doctors. In other countries, people tend to wait longest for expensive elective care — four to six months for a knee replacement and over a month for follow-up radiation therapy after cancer surgery in Canada, for example.
In our market-based system, patients can get lucrative procedures rapidly, even when there is no urgent medical need: Need a new knee, or an M.R.I., or a Botox injection? You’ll probably be on the schedule within days. But what if you’re an asthmatic whose breathing is deteriorating, or a diabetic whose medicines need adjustment, or an elderly patient who has unusual chest pain and needs a cardiology consultation? In much of the country, you can wait a week or weeks for such office appointments — or longer if you need to find a doctor who accepts your insurance plan or Medicare.
So the GP's make enough money to only work part-time, there is a doctor shortage, which doesn't seem to be pay related. Not sure how privatizing this would change those metrics. Private insurance would like pay even less.
But details are tough when a soundbite will do, amirite?
But wait, wait times in the US are just as bad if not worse...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapse ... f64b172e74
And from 2014...
Americans are more likely to wait for office-based medical appointments that are not good sources of revenue for hospitals and doctors. In other countries, people tend to wait longest for expensive elective care — four to six months for a knee replacement and over a month for follow-up radiation therapy after cancer surgery in Canada, for example.
In our market-based system, patients can get lucrative procedures rapidly, even when there is no urgent medical need: Need a new knee, or an M.R.I., or a Botox injection? You’ll probably be on the schedule within days. But what if you’re an asthmatic whose breathing is deteriorating, or a diabetic whose medicines need adjustment, or an elderly patient who has unusual chest pain and needs a cardiology consultation? In much of the country, you can wait a week or weeks for such office appointments — or longer if you need to find a doctor who accepts your insurance plan or Medicare.
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... e-than-nhs
Fed up with NHS waiting times? It’s even worse in the US
I have a lot of information about my primary care physician (GP to British readers). Because the private insurance company publishes it, I’m aware of what university she attended, what degrees she has and I even know her hobbies. But we’ve never actually met.
There have been many trips to see the doctor over the past year that I have lived in Los Angeles, but I’ve never managed to get an appointment with the US equivalent of my GP when I needed it, instead being directed to the equivalent of a locum. The shortest waiting time offered to see my designated doctor was five weeks. Otherwise it’s been over two months. And that’s after I’ve forked out hundreds of dollars every month in insurance premiums – plus up-front cash fees equivalent to £20 and £35 for each visit and referral.
Fed up with NHS waiting times? It’s even worse in the US
I have a lot of information about my primary care physician (GP to British readers). Because the private insurance company publishes it, I’m aware of what university she attended, what degrees she has and I even know her hobbies. But we’ve never actually met.
There have been many trips to see the doctor over the past year that I have lived in Los Angeles, but I’ve never managed to get an appointment with the US equivalent of my GP when I needed it, instead being directed to the equivalent of a locum. The shortest waiting time offered to see my designated doctor was five weeks. Otherwise it’s been over two months. And that’s after I’ve forked out hundreds of dollars every month in insurance premiums – plus up-front cash fees equivalent to £20 and £35 for each visit and referral.
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
Wait times are worse in the US based on one chick's experience in LA a few years ago from a 2015 article? Um, ok..dbackjon wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... e-than-nhs
Fed up with NHS waiting times? It’s even worse in the US
I have a lot of information about my primary care physician (GP to British readers). Because the private insurance company publishes it, I’m aware of what university she attended, what degrees she has and I even know her hobbies. But we’ve never actually met.
There have been many trips to see the doctor over the past year that I have lived in Los Angeles, but I’ve never managed to get an appointment with the US equivalent of my GP when I needed it, instead being directed to the equivalent of a locum. The shortest waiting time offered to see my designated doctor was five weeks. Otherwise it’s been over two months. And that’s after I’ve forked out hundreds of dollars every month in insurance premiums – plus up-front cash fees equivalent to £20 and £35 for each visit and referral.
All of these articles in the last year..just a small sample..
Non emergency operation in the UK? You might not even be seen in 18 weeks..
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... on-stevens
Migration and GP shortage makes it harder than ever to find a doctor: Patients registered with each practice soar by up to a third in three years
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... years.html
On the 'brink of collapse': Map shows the regions at a high risk of a GP shortage as an increasing number of doctors approach retirement age
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... rtage.html
NHS could bring in hundreds of doctors from India to stem A&E crisis
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01 ... ae-crisis/
Hospital A&E wards 'in crisis over shortage of emergency doctors'
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... cy-doctors
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
Actually, that's true. I didn't mention it but it was one of those things where they were interviewing a panel of Trump supporters.houndawg wrote:Probably a trump supporter.JohnStOnge wrote:I'm not a fan of the Affordable Care Act just because I think the fact that the public has generally accepted the idea that health care is a "right" is a bad thing. But I still have to marvel at how people will make bad decisions then blame the system for their problems.
Today I saw an interview with a woman complaining about the cost of her premiums under the ACA. But here's the thing: She retired at 62. She was talking about being covered by Medicare at 65. So anyway she had a job with an employer provided health plan such that she was paying $40 per month for health insurance. She retired and the best she could get under the ACA with comparable coverage is $800 per month. She's a diabetic and she was complaining that because insurance cost so much she just went without it so didn't get all the treatment and medication she needed.
My thing is: Why the hell didn't she wait until she was 65 and was covered by Medicare to retire? I mean, when she's got diabetes and she's covered for $40 per month and the cost is going to go to $800 a month if she retires why the hell would she retire at 62?
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
Chizzang wrote:

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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
Senate bill failed after Mike Lee and Jerry Moran came out against it.
McConnell trying to get "Repeal and Replace Later" votes. Also failing.

McConnell trying to get "Repeal and Replace Later" votes. Also failing.

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This must be that reason and logic to which Z was referring.Chizzang wrote:
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
I've spent a shit ton of time the past two years in our system with a whole bunch specialists, surgeries, ER visits, you name it and it is fucked beyond belief from an efficiency/waiting time standpoint. We have nothing to brag about.BDKJMU wrote:Wait times are worse in the US based on one chick's experience in LA a few years ago from a 2015 article? Um, ok..dbackjon wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... e-than-nhs
Fed up with NHS waiting times? It’s even worse in the US
I have a lot of information about my primary care physician (GP to British readers). Because the private insurance company publishes it, I’m aware of what university she attended, what degrees she has and I even know her hobbies. But we’ve never actually met.
There have been many trips to see the doctor over the past year that I have lived in Los Angeles, but I’ve never managed to get an appointment with the US equivalent of my GP when I needed it, instead being directed to the equivalent of a locum. The shortest waiting time offered to see my designated doctor was five weeks. Otherwise it’s been over two months. And that’s after I’ve forked out hundreds of dollars every month in insurance premiums – plus up-front cash fees equivalent to £20 and £35 for each visit and referral.![]()
All of these articles in the last year..just a small sample..
Non emergency operation in the UK? You might not even be seen in 18 weeks..
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... on-stevens
Migration and GP shortage makes it harder than ever to find a doctor: Patients registered with each practice soar by up to a third in three years
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... years.html
On the 'brink of collapse': Map shows the regions at a high risk of a GP shortage as an increasing number of doctors approach retirement age
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... rtage.html
NHS could bring in hundreds of doctors from India to stem A&E crisis
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01 ... ae-crisis/
Hospital A&E wards 'in crisis over shortage of emergency doctors'
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... cy-doctors
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
The Republicans have had no less than 4 full years to develop a plan...
The President announced he would fix our healthcare system immediately
and it would be great "you'll love it I promise, it'll be the best healthcare in the world"
And somehow here we are...
The President announced he would fix our healthcare system immediately
and it would be great "you'll love it I promise, it'll be the best healthcare in the world"
And somehow here we are...
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
Skjellyfetti wrote:Senate bill failed after Mike Lee and Jerry Moran came out against it.
McConnell trying to get "Repeal and Replace Later" votes. Also failing.
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
And nobody except BDK and his merry band of sycophants is surprised.Chizzang wrote:The Republicans have had no less than 4 full years to develop a plan...
The President announced he would fix our healthcare system immediately
and it would be great "you'll love it I promise, it'll be the best healthcare in the world"
And somehow here we are...
Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
The ACA was signed into law March 2010. They've had more than enough time to come up with an alternative or GASP work with Democrats and find a mutually agreeable fix. "No less than 4 full years..., "you are giving them too much leeway.Chizzang wrote:The Republicans have had no less than 4 full years to develop a plan...
The President announced he would fix our healthcare system immediately
and it would be great "you'll love it I promise, it'll be the best healthcare in the world"
And somehow here we are...
We're fucked...but we already knew that.
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
I love how we went from praising the ACA as a triumph of legislation
to now focusing on the GOP-controlled Congress' ineptitude
I guess we're all on the same side now - acknowledging that something needs to be done about that gold standard of legislation
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to now focusing on the GOP-controlled Congress' ineptitude
I guess we're all on the same side now - acknowledging that something needs to be done about that gold standard of legislation
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
Amazing how the transition of power to a new party changes the debate, isn't it?
Now Republicans have to govern. Instead of impotently voting to repeal Obamacare repeatedly... knowing they couldn't overturn a veto... they have to actual govern and put together their own plan. Who knew it could be so difficult?
Now Republicans have to govern. Instead of impotently voting to repeal Obamacare repeatedly... knowing they couldn't overturn a veto... they have to actual govern and put together their own plan. Who knew it could be so difficult?
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
Skjellyfetti wrote:Amazing how the transition of power to a new party changes the debate, isn't it?
Now Republicans have to govern. Instead of impotently voting to repeal Obamacare repeatedly... knowing they couldn't overturn a veto... they have to actual govern and put together their own plan. Who knew it could be so difficult?
They just need more experience.
Or, they are trying to fail in order to undermine confidence in government. Which is what they do here in Arizona.
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?

Like he said.
The Democrats already won this battle because if you say Health Care is not a "right" now you are toast. I think it's a shame because I don't think health is a right. No WAY we should be looking at things that way.
But we are. It's like the other entitlements now. Like Social Security. No way that program should ever have been started and if the Repubicans had had their way it wouldn't have been. But now that it's established there's no WAY they're going to suggest phasing it out.
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
Average people work hard chasing the American dream, feel like they contribute, and don't feel responsible for an economic system that rewards the poor and the rich. How dare they!JohnStOnge wrote:
Like he said.
The Democrats already won this battle because if you say Health Care is not a "right" now you are toast. I think it's a shame because I don't think health are is a right. No WAY we should be looking at things that way.
But we are. It's like the other entitlements now. Like Social Security. No way that program should ever have been started and if the Repubicans had had their way it wouldn't have been. But now that it's established there's no WAY they're going to suggest phasing it out.
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
Still doesn't make Healthcare a right.kalm wrote:Average people work hard chasing the American dream, feel like they contribute, and don't feel responsible for an economic system that rewards the poor and the rich. How dare they!JohnStOnge wrote:
Like he said.
The Democrats already won this battle because if you say Health Care is not a "right" now you are toast. I think it's a shame because I don't think health are is a right. No WAY we should be looking at things that way.
But we are. It's like the other entitlements now. Like Social Security. No way that program should ever have been started and if the Repubicans had had their way it wouldn't have been. But now that it's established there's no WAY they're going to suggest phasing it out.
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Straight out of MSM...Skjellyfetti wrote:Amazing how the transition of power to a new party changes the debate, isn't it?
Now Republicans have to govern. Instead of impotently voting to repeal Obamacare repeatedly... knowing they couldn't overturn a veto... they have to actual govern and put together their own plan. Who knew it could be so difficult?
Have an original thought, dammit!
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
So all that bluster about repeal and replace and conks fold like a cheap suit.
Hey conks, good luck getting folks out to vote for you in the midterms. They won't forget those claims of repeal and replace, and now they will get crushed with high premiums for shit coverage while conks wait for Obamacare to implode. They'll be staying home in 2018.
conks.

Hey conks, good luck getting folks out to vote for you in the midterms. They won't forget those claims of repeal and replace, and now they will get crushed with high premiums for shit coverage while conks wait for Obamacare to implode. They'll be staying home in 2018.
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Don't worry, my Brown Hermano. There's plenty of time for the Donks to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.SDHornet wrote:So all that bluster about repeal and replace and conks fold like a cheap suit.![]()
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Hey conks, good luck getting folks out to vote for you in the midterms. They won't forget those claims of repeal and replace, and now they will get crushed with high premiums for **** coverage while conks wait for Obamacare to implode. They'll be staying home in 2018.![]()
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Re: Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?
The Dems f'd up healthcare for the people that could afford healthcare, just to bring healthcare to the people that couldn't afford healthcare. The Reps don't seam to get the point either. Bring aid to the ones that can't afford healthcare.





