Colin Kaepernick

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:08 am

Does anyone still remember why the athletes are kneeling during the anthem?

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mrklean · Post by **mrklean** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:30 am

Gil Dobie wrote:Does anyone still remember why the athletes are kneeling during the anthem?

Yes, they do

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:39 am

mrklean wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:Does anyone still remember why the athletes are kneeling during the anthem?
Yes, they do

Just asking, because the NFL media types appeared more focused on the standing and kneeling, and very little on why.

mrklean · Post by **mrklean** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:16 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
mrklean wrote: Yes, they do
Just asking, because the NFL media types appeared more focused on the standing and kneeling, and very little on why.

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BDKJMU · Post by **BDKJMU** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:26 am

I keep on hearing the progtards talk about freedom of speech.
One, when you're at work, in uniform, you don't have freedom of speech. You're representing your organization/employer, and have to abide by its rules.
Secondly, this country affords these players the opportunity to make 7 to 8 figure multi year contracts to play a team sport, something that can't be done in most of the rest of the world, Western Europe with soccer being an exception. The least these ungrateful, uppity prima donnas could do is show a little respect to the women and women over generations who've made that possible.

BDKJMU · Post by **BDKJMU** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:29 am

I thought Goodell was all about enforcing the rules. Tuck your shirt in. Pull your socks up. Well, players being present and standing for the national anthem is ab NFL rule.

"..The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:
The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses...
https://news.grabien.com/story-roger-go ... ng-players

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:41 am

Yeah, saw a guy yesterday something to the effect of: There are lots of ways to show respect for the national anthem. Um, no, there is one accepted way. You stand, remove your hat if you're wearing one and put your hand over your heart (if you're military you can salute). It's your right to not do so, but that is disrespect, not another way to respect.

∞∞∞ · Post by **∞∞∞** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:57 am

BDKJMU wrote:I thought Goodell was all about enforcing the rules. Tuck your shirt in. Pull your socks up. Well, players being present and standing for the national anthem is ab NFL rule.

"..The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:
The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses...
https://news.grabien.com/story-roger-go ... ng-players

There's no rule regarding the national anthem; it doesn't even need to be played.

And news.grabien.com?

∞∞∞ · Post by **∞∞∞** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:19 am

BDKJMU wrote:I keep on hearing the progtards talk about freedom of speech.
One, when you're at work, in uniform, you don't have freedom of speech. You're representing your organization/employer, and have to abide by its rules.
Secondly, this country affords these players the opportunity to make 7 to 8 figure multi year contracts to play a team sport, something that can't be done in most of the rest of the world, Western Europe with soccer being an exception. The least these ungrateful, uppity prima donnas could do is show a little respect to the women and women over generations who've made that possible.

You're the least patriotic anything on this entire board. Respect is giving a shit about your fellow Americans: soldiers fighting for America care; people peacefully protesting about social injustices care.

All you give a crap about is yourself, while thinly veiling your selfishness behind faux patriotism.

When it comes to being an American that actually respects this country, you're the worst of the worst.

mrklean · Post by **mrklean** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:25 am

BDKJMU wrote:I keep on hearing the progtards talk about freedom of speech.
One, when you're at work, in uniform, you don't have freedom of speech. You're representing your organization/employer, and have to abide by its rules.
Secondly, this country affords these players the opportunity to make 7 to 8 figure multi year contracts to play a team sport, something that can't be done in most of the rest of the world, Western Europe with soccer being an exception. The least these ungrateful, uppity prima donnas could do is show a little respect to the women and women over generations who've made that possible.

The last time i checked, the NFL is a private Business. The country has nothing to do with their salaries. If you want to blame someone, blame the owners who sign the pay checks every Tuesday afternoon

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BDKJMU · Post by **BDKJMU** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:35 am

∞∞∞ wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:I keep on hearing the progtards talk about freedom of speech.
One, when you're at work, in uniform, you don't have freedom of speech. You're representing your organization/employer, and have to abide by its rules.
Secondly, this country affords these players the opportunity to make 7 to 8 figure multi year contracts to play a team sport, something that can't be done in most of the rest of the world, Western Europe with soccer being an exception. The least these ungrateful, uppity prima donnas could do is show a little respect to the women and women over generations who've made that possible.
You're the least patriotic anything on this entire board. Respect is giving a **** about your fellow Americans: soldiers fighting for America care; people peacefully protesting about social injustices care.

All you give a crap about is yourself, while thinly veiling your selfishness behind faux patriotism.

When it comes to being an American that actually respects this country, you're the worst of the worst.

Wrong. And I figured a libtard such as yourself would side with the players, who have zero valid reason not to be standing during the anthem. I'm sure you'd be kneeling if you were out there..

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:43 am

mrklean wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:I keep on hearing the progtards talk about freedom of speech.
One, when you're at work, in uniform, you don't have freedom of speech. You're representing your organization/employer, and have to abide by its rules.
Secondly, this country affords these players the opportunity to make 7 to 8 figure multi year contracts to play a team sport, something that can't be done in most of the rest of the world, Western Europe with soccer being an exception. The least these ungrateful, uppity prima donnas could do is show a little respect to the women and women over generations who've made that possible.
The last time i checked, the NFL is a private Business. The country has nothing to do with their salaries. If you want to blame someone, blame the owners who sign the pay checks every Tuesday afternoon

And if an owner fired a player over taking a knee you would lose your shit.

mrklean · Post by **mrklean** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:45 am

89Hen wrote:
mrklean wrote:
The last time i checked, the NFL is a private Business. The country has nothing to do with their salaries. If you want to blame someone, blame the owners who sign the pay checks every Tuesday afternoon
And if an owner fired a player over taking a knee you would lose your ****.

It depends of the state. In the South, we are a right to work state. They can fired you at will. But back to the original question. I support the players. The shooting of unarmed black men is not right and everyone knows this. And injustice to one is an injustice to all, no matter what color they are.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:46 am

∞∞∞ wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:I thought Goodell was all about enforcing the rules. Tuck your shirt in. Pull your socks up. Well, players being present and standing for the national anthem is ab NFL rule.

"..The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:
The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses...
https://news.grabien.com/story-roger-go ... ng-players
There's no rule regarding the national anthem; it doesn't even need to be played.

And news.grabien.com?

All this kneeling only caused a big fuss about being respectful or patriotic. Kneeling has done nothing to help Kaepernick's message, it now an argument about standing and kneeling during the anthem..

mrklean · Post by **mrklean** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:46 am

BDKJMU wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: You're the least patriotic anything on this entire board. Respect is giving a **** about your fellow Americans: soldiers fighting for America care; people peacefully protesting about social injustices care.

All you give a crap about is yourself, while thinly veiling your selfishness behind faux patriotism.

When it comes to being an American that actually respects this country, you're the worst of the worst.
Wrong. And I figured a libtard such as yourself would side with the players, who have zero valid reason not to be standing during the anthem. I'm sure you'd be kneeling if you were out there..

I would and it has nothing to do with the Military or the Flag.

mrklean · Post by **mrklean** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:47 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: There's no rule regarding the national anthem; it doesn't even need to be played.

And news.grabien.com?
All this kneeling only caused a big fuss about being respectful or patriotic. Kneeling has done nothing to help Kaepernick's message, it now an argument about standing and kneeling during the anthem..

But the message is about the unfair criminal justice system in this country. That's the message everyone is missing.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:52 am

mrklean wrote:
89Hen wrote: And if an owner fired a player over taking a knee you would lose your ****.
It depends of the state. In the South, we are a right to work state. They can fired you at will. But back to the original question. I support the players. The shooting of unarmed black men is not right and everyone knows this. And injustice to one is an injustice to all, no matter what color they are.

Then why do you specify?

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:54 am

mrklean wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
All this kneeling only caused a big fuss about being respectful or patriotic. Kneeling has done nothing to help Kaepernick's message, it now an argument about standing and kneeling during the anthem..
But the message is about the unfair criminal justice system in this country. That's the message everyone is missing.

How so? They are 100% unrelated.

mrklean · Post by **mrklean** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:02 am

89Hen wrote:
mrklean wrote: But the message is about the unfair criminal justice system in this country. That's the message everyone is missing.
How so? They are 100% unrelated.

You know damn well this was the reason why Kaepernick was sitting down during the National Anthem.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:14 am

mrklean wrote:
89Hen wrote: How so? They are 100% unrelated.
You know damn well this was the reason why Kaepernick was sitting down during the National Anthem.

That's what he said his reason was. If he didn't say, there is no way to tell why he would have been doing it. It would be like me boycotting McDonald's because I'm pro-life. That's what I mean be the two are unrelated. Disrespecting the anthem/flag does nothing for the cause and that's become abundantly clear.

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:47 am

My whole take on this;

- the reason to protest (racial inequality, including deadly outcomes with police) is very valid and everyone should be concerned about that enough to demand change.
- If someone was so willing to protest it by doing something during a national anthem, then by all means they should go ahead and do that - we are a free country and you can't be hauled into jail for doing so.
- The better place to protest this would be not during the actual national anthem, especially with the big flag draped across the field normally held by veterans, current armed services members, family of fallen armed service members, first responders, etc. Pre and post game interviews would be a better spot (heck, you could even articulate your protest in those cases rather than silently doing it during the anthem), going out and protesting on the front lives with BLM marchers and the such would be better, organizing a march yourself of fellow NFL players to a place of government would be better.
- Employment in the NFL is governed by the collective bargaining agreement between management and the players. If someone was going to be fired over something, it needs to be spelled out there. If an owner had the right to fire someone for kneeling during the anthem, then he could do that and be justified in doing it. With that said, the same owner would have to deal with the justified reaction from other players and the public if he did such a thing. But the right to free speech (whether to protest or to react to a protest) does not protect you from the consequences of that free speech.
- Trump is like gasoline on a fire. In pretty much everything. Of course, that's why many people actually did vote for him. What he did and said was not Presidential, but almost everything he does and says is not Presidential. If you think you have to contest everything he says and does for fear of it being normalized if you don't, well, more power to you. Trump is following a tide, he's not a trail blazer himself. I think we've lost that normalization battle long before he came along. I blame message boards like these, Twitter, and newspaper comment sections - when people think they can say anything they want and send it into the void without repercussions, then this is what we devolve to.
- With all that said, I detest pro athletes getting sanctimonious and preachy about stuff, especially in and around the game itself (i.e. not on off days). It reminds me of the pro athletes that, post 9/11, didn't want to start playing games "too soon" after, and we went almost two weeks before a baseball game was played again and an NFL game as well. I had to listen to athletes tell us we had to heal as a nation before getting back to work. The irony was that most working America was back to work on 9/12, and everyday after that while the pro athletes were "healing".
- So in the end, I don't care for the protesting to be done during the anthem, but I know and appreciate they have the right to do so and the cause they are protesting for (racial inequality and violence by police) is a justified cause to protest for. Oh, and I wish the NFL shows would just get around to showing the game highlights - I had to wait 20-25 minutes to get through everyone analyzing the kneeling or not kneeling before I could see football highlights on Sunday night football last night.
- Oh, and Kaepernick isn't a very good QB - that's why he's unemployed. You could make an argument for him to have caught on as a backup somewhere, but he proved he was a system-orientated QB that only was effective in Harbaugh's system, and unless they start a pro franchise in Ann Arbor then he's a very limited QB anywhere else.

Skjellyfetti · Post by **Skjellyfetti** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:54 am

89Hen wrote:
mrklean wrote: You know damn well this was the reason why Kaepernick was sitting down during the National Anthem.
That's what he said his reason was. If he didn't say, there is no way to tell why he would have been doing it. It would be like me boycotting McDonald's because I'm pro-life. That's what I mean be the two are unrelated. Disrespecting the anthem/flag does nothing for the cause and that's become abundantly clear.

Why is kneeling disrespectful?

Maybe because I grew up Episcopalian, wearing out the kneelers every Sunday... but, kneeling has never seemed disrespectful to me. Seems more solemn and contemplative.

People complain about the Orioles' "O" during the anthem. Don't think that's disrespectful either.

Post by **CAA Flagship** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:56 am

It's the poorest form of messaging/marketing/advertising (whatever) that can be found (aside from Trump).
Where else to you see people pissing off a large portion of the group that you are trying to engage? It's insane.
A food server shouldn't provide poor service and expect to get a good tip. You shouldn't tease a dog and hope he won't bite you. You shouldn't sell tractors while calling farmers rednecks or hicks.

I have no problem with the reason. But I'm not negatively affecting anyone, so I don't feel that I am the target audience. I'm just an observer of this tantrum, and think that the delivery of the message is likely doing more harm than good.

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