Colin Kaepernick

[Pwns]

Glad to see you agree with the "right to work" concept.


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Nobody who is for the players right to kneel is saying the player can't be fired
The players have rights and the employers have rights

What we're mostly saying is
Lets see an owner fire a star player right there on the spot for taking a knee
put their money where Jerry Jones mouth is

And watch the other owners Robert Kraft
Immediately hire the fired player and honor their right to kneel

Lets watch that happen please (if there is a god)
Lets stop talking and set this thing in motion people

Would be funny to watch that play out just to see the people that gave them hell for their kind words to Trump all of the sudden act like Kraft/Belichik are champions of social justice.

I think it's a mistake to not think the owners won't do something if they feel it won't hurt the league, though. It's just going to come down to what you get when you weigh that liability against what the player brings to the team.

Pacman Jones was able to keep his career with all the stuff he's done because of the player he is. Mike Vick had NFL life after jail because of the player it is. Whether it's Hollywood or sports or any other work place, the harder you are to replace the more stuff you can get away with.v

[Chizzang]

Nobody who is for the players right to kneel is saying the player can't be fired
The players have rights and the employers have rights

What we're mostly saying is
Lets see an owner fire a star player right there on the spot for taking a knee
put their money where Jerry Jones mouth is

And watch the other owners Robert Kraft
Immediately hire the fired player and honor their right to kneel

Lets watch that happen please (if there is a god)
Lets stop talking and set this thing in motion people

Would be funny to watch that play out just to see the people that gave them hell for their kind words to Trump all of the sudden act like Kraft/Belichik are champions of social justice.

I think it's a mistake to not think the owners won't do something if they feel it won't hurt the league, though. It's just going to come down to what you get when you weigh that liability against what the player brings to the team.

Pacman Jones was able to keep his career with all the stuff he's done because of the player he is. Mike Vick had NFL life after jail because of the player it is. Whether it's Hollywood or sports or any other work place, the harder you are to replace the more stuff you can get away with.v

This ^ is precisely why Jerry Jones is full of sh!t
Dak Prescott and Zeke are his entire team and if he's prepared to "fire them" I can't wait to see that

Kraft on the other hand has played the scenario out in his head
and is "all about the players rights" and blah blah blah

Kraft values winning over rhetoric and posturing
and he has a coach that understand that



The owners that are supporting the players right now are "thinking with their checkbooks"

[BDKJMU]

Would be funny to watch that play out just to see the people that gave them hell for their kind words to Trump all of the sudden act like Kraft/Belichik are champions of social justice.

I think it's a mistake to not think the owners won't do something if they feel it won't hurt the league, though. It's just going to come down to what you get when you weigh that liability against what the player brings to the team.

Pacman Jones was able to keep his career with all the stuff he's done because of the player he is. Mike Vick had NFL life after jail because of the player it is. Whether it's Hollywood or sports or any other work place, the harder you are to replace the more stuff you can get away with.v

This ^ is precisely why Jerry Jones is full of sh!t
Dak Prescott and Zeke are his entire team and if he's prepared to "fire them" I can't wait to see that

Kraft on the other hand has played the scenario out in his head
and is "all about the players rights" and blah blah blah

Kraft values winning over rhetoric and posturing
and he has a coach that understand that



The owners that are supporting the players right now are "thinking with their checkbooks"

Apparently not. Not when they’re putting employees (the players) 1st, above their customers (the fans). Instead of customers 1st, employees 2nd, the NFL has it backwards. Attendance and TV ratings continue to slide, down from last year and way down from 2 years ago. The networks are screwed now, can’t do anything but bitch in private to the NFL. Going to be a rude awakening in 4 years when the TV contracts are up for renewal..

[Chizzang]

This ^ is precisely why Jerry Jones is full of sh!t
Dak Prescott and Zeke are his entire team and if he's prepared to "fire them" I can't wait to see that

Kraft on the other hand has played the scenario out in his head
and is "all about the players rights" and blah blah blah

Kraft values winning over rhetoric and posturing
and he has a coach that understand that



The owners that are supporting the players right now are "thinking with their checkbooks"

Apparently not. Not when they’re putting employees (the players) 1st, above their customers (the fans). Instead of customers 1st, employees 2nd, the NFL has it backwards. Attendance and TV ratings continue to slide, down from last year and way down from 2 years ago. The networks are screwed now, can’t do anything but bitch in private to the NFL. Going to be a rude awakening in 4 years when the TV contracts are up for renewal..

What's cute is you're actually serious...

[GannonFan]

This ^ is precisely why Jerry Jones is full of sh!t
Dak Prescott and Zeke are his entire team and if he's prepared to "fire them" I can't wait to see that

Kraft on the other hand has played the scenario out in his head
and is "all about the players rights" and blah blah blah

Kraft values winning over rhetoric and posturing
and he has a coach that understand that



The owners that are supporting the players right now are "thinking with their checkbooks"

Apparently not. Not when they’re putting employees (the players) 1st, above their customers (the fans). Instead of customers 1st, employees 2nd, the NFL has it backwards. Attendance and TV ratings continue to slide, down from last year and way down from 2 years ago. The networks are screwed now, can’t do anything but bitch in private to the NFL. Going to be a rude awakening in 4 years when the TV contracts are up for renewal..

Owners have no choice, as the other poster said, they're not going to fire their star players almost no matter what they do. Guys have already beat their wives or raped or done other bad stuff, but as long as you're a star and not serving time you can and will play. Fire your star player and another owner will sign him - it's like simple Nash game theory. So since they can't fire them or make them stand, there will be that section of customers out there who feel strongly enough about this that they'll leave and they won't come back. Ratings will drop to some level, and the TV contracts (and the player contracts) will eventually bottom out at the new level. The product (i.e. the NFL) will still be profitable, but it will make less money than it did before. So, a dip.

[bandl]

This ^ is precisely why Jerry Jones is full of sh!t
Dak Prescott and Zeke are his entire team and if he's prepared to "fire them" I can't wait to see that

Kraft on the other hand has played the scenario out in his head
and is "all about the players rights" and blah blah blah

Kraft values winning over rhetoric and posturing
and he has a coach that understand that



The owners that are supporting the players right now are "thinking with their checkbooks"

Apparently not. Not when they’re putting employees (the players) 1st, above their customers (the fans). Instead of customers 1st, employees 2nd, the NFL has it backwards. Attendance and TV ratings continue to slide, down from last year and way down from 2 years ago. The networks are screwed now, can’t do anything but bitch in private to the NFL. Going to be a rude awakening in 4 years when the TV contracts are up for renewal..

BDKKK for the next 4 years

[BDKJMU]

Apparently not. Not when they’re putting employees (the players) 1st, above their customers (the fans). Instead of customers 1st, employees 2nd, the NFL has it backwards. Attendance and TV ratings continue to slide, down from last year and way down from 2 years ago. The networks are screwed now, can’t do anything but bitch in private to the NFL. Going to be a rude awakening in 4 years when the TV contracts are up for renewal..

BDKKK for the next 4 years

[CID1990]

Glad to see you agree with the "right to work" concept.


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Nobody who is for the players right to kneel is saying the player can't be fired
The players have rights and the employers have rights

What we're mostly saying is
Lets see an owner fire a star player right there on the spot for taking a knee
put their money where Jerry Jones mouth is

And watch the other owners Robert Kraft
Immediately hire the fired player and honor their right to kneel

Lets watch that happen please (if there is a god)
Lets stop talking and set this thing in motion people

I was actually keying on the implication that nobody can be “made to do something” by their employer - that’s a key tenet of the anti-organized labor movement. It is touching on the same philosophy that if you don’t like it, you can go work somewhere else.

I’m actually neutral on the whole NFL thing - I could care less what happens to the players, owners, or the league as a whole

I only commented because it was interesting coming from klam

[houndawg]

This Michael Bennett guy (whoever that is) doesn't get it. I assume he's a black NFL player? An employee at work in uniform doesn't have freedom of speech or freedom of actions. They have to do what their employee tells them to. If he doesn't like it he can take his uppity ass (that I assume is being paid a 7-8 figure multi year contract) somewhere else and find another job. To say that an employer saying that while at work in uniform has to stand for the anthem = "inconsistent with the notion of a person being a human being" just shows you how some of these players are..

Just who exactly it is that "Isn't getting it" is debatable...

If the Owners are willing to put their money where there mouth is and actually sit players
or terminate contracts then so be it...
Micheal Bennett agrees that actions have consequences
for both sides

If the owners sit all the kneeling players I'd love to see that
The outcome would be extremely entertaining



The players aren't as confused as you are - that much is obvious - they know the potential outcomes

That ain't gonna happen. The owners haven't forgotten what a laughingstock their game was when they brought in replacement players during the strike season.

[houndawg]

This ^ is precisely why Jerry Jones is full of sh!t
Dak Prescott and Zeke are his entire team and if he's prepared to "fire them" I can't wait to see that

Kraft on the other hand has played the scenario out in his head
and is "all about the players rights" and blah blah blah

Kraft values winning over rhetoric and posturing
and he has a coach that understand that



The owners that are supporting the players right now are "thinking with their checkbooks"

Apparently not. Not when they’re putting employees (the players) 1st, above their customers (the fans). Instead of customers 1st, employees 2nd, the NFL has it backwards. Attendance and TV ratings continue to slide, down from last year and way down from 2 years ago. The networks are screwed now, can’t do anything but bitch in private to the NFL. Going to be a rude awakening in 4 years when the TV contracts are up for renewal..

Ratings are falling because the game has become boring; way too much dead time for media timeouts and reviews of every other play. Rugby is much more entertaining.

[Chizzang]

Also Ratings are dropping because they couldn't go up
NFL was already the highest rated product on television
and
20 somethings no longer subscribe to cable as the price has tripled in the last decade

[kalm]

Nobody who is for the players right to kneel is saying the player can't be fired
The players have rights and the employers have rights

What we're mostly saying is
Lets see an owner fire a star player right there on the spot for taking a knee
put their money where Jerry Jones mouth is

And watch the other owners Robert Kraft
Immediately hire the fired player and honor their right to kneel

Lets watch that happen please (if there is a god)
Lets stop talking and set this thing in motion people

I was actually keying on the implication that nobody can be “made to do something” by their employer - that’s a key tenet of the anti-organized labor movement. It is touching on the same philosophy that if you don’t like it, you can go work somewhere else.

I’m actually neutral on the whole NFL thing - I could care less what happens to the players, owners, or the league as a whole

I only commented because it was interesting coming from klam

* Thoughtful, post partisan.

[Chizzang]

I was actually keying on the implication that nobody can be “made to do something” by their employer - that’s a key tenet of the anti-organized labor movement. It is touching on the same philosophy that if you don’t like it, you can go work somewhere else.

I’m actually neutral on the whole NFL thing - I could care less what happens to the players, owners, or the league as a whole

I only commented because it was interesting coming from klam

Two questions:
Don't you find it interesting that some random person completely unrelated to the situation
would actually care if a guy kneels during an anthem
especially in America where we preach personal freedom

I don't care if people pull their pants down during the anthem and moon the flag
It has zero effect on my personal situation and restricts my freedoms in no way

So you're really a snowflake to be hurt by somebody kneeling (End of debate)
I'm looking at you snowflake BDKJMU

Next:
NFL: approximately 68% African-American / 28% white / 4% Samoan Island Pacific
If you are an industry almost entirely dependent on young black males
Shouldn't you invest in understanding these individuals interests, issues and concerns
How can this issue catch the NFL so unprepared..?
Or is Jerry Jones really just that disconnected and out of touch..?

Just a thought...

[CID1990]

I was actually keying on the implication that nobody can be “made to do something” by their employer - that’s a key tenet of the anti-organized labor movement. It is touching on the same philosophy that if you don’t like it, you can go work somewhere else.

I’m actually neutral on the whole NFL thing - I could care less what happens to the players, owners, or the league as a whole

I only commented because it was interesting coming from klam

Two questions:
Don't you find it interesting that some random person completely unrelated to the situation
would actually care if a guy kneels during an anthem, especially in America where we preach personal freedom

I don't care if people pull their pants down during the anthem and moon the flag
It has zero effect on my personal situation and restricts my freedoms in no way

So you're really a snowflake to be hurt by somebody kneeling (End of debate)
I'm looking at you BDKJMU

Next:
NFL: approximately 68% African-American / 28% white / 4% Samoan Island Pacific
If you are an industry almost entirely dependent on young black males
Shouldn't you invest in understanding these individuals interests, issues and concerns
How can this issue catch the NFL so unprepared..?

Just a thought...

1) no, I find it sad, actually - we have become a nation of whiny little girls looking for something to be up in arms about. I’m not sure what NFL fans thought of the players before the anthem *crisis*.... 95% of NFL fans wouldn’t invite these guys into their homes (and frankly unless they are prepared to discuss something other than XBox or sick burnz I wouldn’t, either. So being mad about what they choose to do when the camera is on them should be as equally “meh” as what they do on Tuesday mornings.

2) They’re little different than thoroughbred horses. If the NFL existed 200 years ago there would have been a breeding program. Given the average playing life of an NFL player, a smart businessperson wouldn’t invest any time in anything outside of capital improvements to the stadium or a new jet

I get what you’re saying - maybe I just don’t care, I don’t know. I just find it hard to be outraged about people basically living down to my low expectations of them. Colin Kaepernick, long before he knelt for the anthem, was wearing pig cop socks and his *charitable donations include money to a program named for a black liberation murderer. So call me unconvinced that an employer trying to “understand” CK was going to be anything other than a waste of money and time. He’s a pampered, rich white kid with brown skin, looking for an identity

[Chizzang]

Two questions:
Don't you find it interesting that some random person completely unrelated to the situation
would actually care if a guy kneels during an anthem, especially in America where we preach personal freedom

I don't care if people pull their pants down during the anthem and moon the flag
It has zero effect on my personal situation and restricts my freedoms in no way

So you're really a snowflake to be hurt by somebody kneeling (End of debate)
I'm looking at you BDKJMU

Next:
NFL: approximately 68% African-American / 28% white / 4% Samoan Island Pacific
If you are an industry almost entirely dependent on young black males
Shouldn't you invest in understanding these individuals interests, issues and concerns
How can this issue catch the NFL so unprepared..?

Just a thought...

1) no, I find it sad, actually - we have become a nation of whiny little girls looking for something to be up in arms about. I’m not sure what NFL fans thought of the players before the anthem *crisis*.... 95% of NFL fans wouldn’t invite these guys into their homes (and frankly unless they are prepared to discuss something other than XBox or sick burnz I wouldn’t, either. So being mad about what they choose to do when the camera is on them should be as equally “meh” as what they do on Tuesday mornings.

2) They’re little different than thoroughbred horses. If the NFL existed 200 years ago there would have been a breeding program. Given the average playing life of an NFL player, a smart businessperson wouldn’t invest any time in anything outside of capital improvements to the stadium or a new jet

I get what you’re saying - maybe I just don’t care, I don’t know. I just find it hard to be outraged about people basically living down to my low expectations of them. Colin Kaepernick, long before he knelt for the anthem, was wearing pig cop socks and his *charitable donations include money to a program named for a black liberation murderer. So call me unconvinced that an employer trying to “understand” CK was going to be anything other than a waste of money and time. He’s a pampered, rich white kid with brown skin, looking for an identity

The "Understanding" thing is I think an important element
Not because it matters in an ultimate sense
but because the primary ingredient in the product needs to feel a part of something greater

We all do - it's built into us
That's why we find god in everything we see that inspires us
The owners are selling a final product (for sure) but not inspiring the key ingredient
The Cancer awareness thing is an example - it works to a small degree

But the NFL has failed to connect with their players
and make them feel like they're changing the world
instead it makes them painfully aware that they are in fact "a product"

Even Rome with their Gladiators had this one figure out

[JohnStOnge]

The NFL depends on players who have very rare ability levels. They can't just go out and get other players. If you want to see their ratings REALLY go down have them try to actually say they're going to do without the players that make their way to the top through a pure meritocracy because some of them kneel during the national anthem.

Also, just watch what happens with this year's Super Bowl ads. Watch how much people are going to have to pay for commercial time. And watch and see what the top rated television event in the United States is for 2018. Pretty good bet it's going to be the 2018 Super Bowl.

[CID1990]

I won't be watching. Just like I didn't last year.

I did watch the Panthers epic field fart a couple years ago, though.

But I also predict that a significant amount of that ad time (as well as the halftime show) will consist of virtue signaling on the part of several big businesses, as well as one or two from the NFL itself.

Which is why I won't be watching. Oh and because the Panthers won't be in it. (But if ATL is in it I will..... because Andre Roberts, unlike Armanti Edwards, is still playing and producing points in the NFL)

[JohnStOnge]

Well, truth be told I haven't watched the NFL much for many years. Back in the 1970s and early 80s I watched it a lot. Was a big Raiders fan. But I pretty much lost interest in it after the free agency thing started.

Nevertheless, a lot of other people do watch it. And the owners depend on the players as much as the players depend on the owners. It's not a situation where the owners can just say they'll fire the players when the players do things like kneel during the national anthem.

Which isn't really a big deal to begin with. I think if you're a person who thinks that someone has to act like they worship the flag and the country you've got issues. I think it's a dangerous mentality.

[houndawg]

I was actually keying on the implication that nobody can be “made to do something” by their employer - that’s a key tenet of the anti-organized labor movement. It is touching on the same philosophy that if you don’t like it, you can go work somewhere else.

I’m actually neutral on the whole NFL thing - I could care less what happens to the players, owners, or the league as a whole

I only commented because it was interesting coming from klam

* Thoughtful, post partisan.

..on the one hand this...but on the other hand..that..

[HI54UNI]

Do you think this guy still has a job today?



It appears that even NFL replay assistants have hot takes on national anthem protests. During today’s Jets-Bucs game, the guy holding up the tablet for the the referee had a sign on his head that read “I will always stand”.

https://streamable.com/hkpwt

[Chizzang]

I thought this was America..?
A place where nobody gave a sh!t what anybody did as long as it didn't infringe on the rights of others

Turns out it's not even close
Bunch a gad damned snow flake cry babies

That guys socks hurt my feelings
That guy took a knee

Blah blah blah - you damned overly sensitive sand encrusted vaginas

[CID1990]

I thought this was America..?
A place where nobody gave a sh!t what anybody did as long as it didn't infringe on the rights of others

Turns out it's not even close
Bunch a gad damned snow flake cry babies

That guys socks hurt my feelings
That guy took a knee

Blah blah blah - you damned overly sensitive sand encrusted vaginas

I'll bite, Mr. Troll (who obviously cant hold his alcohol)

Dude's socks bothered me because he was doing what everybody else does: hating a group for superficial reasons

his socks told me everything I needed to know about the guy before he ever knelt

and believe me when I say this- I used to constantly look for people like Kapernick to admire - people who took a stand for honestly held positions, whether I agreed or not - I respect that

But it turns out that Mr. QB is just another low rent angry hater looking for attention. But outside of a message board thread dedicated to him he gets none from me


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[Chizzang]

I thought this was America..?
A place where nobody gave a sh!t what anybody did as long as it didn't infringe on the rights of others

Turns out it's not even close
Bunch a gad damned snow flake cry babies

That guys socks hurt my feelings
That guy took a knee

Blah blah blah - you damned overly sensitive sand encrusted vaginas

I'll bite, Mr. Troll (who obviously cant hold his alcohol)

Dude's socks bothered me because he was doing what everybody else does: hating a group for superficial reasons

his socks told me everything I needed to know about the guy before he ever knelt

and believe me when I say this- I used to constantly look for people like Kapernick to admire - people who took a stand for honestly held positions, whether I agreed or not - I respect that

But it turns out that Mr. QB is just another low rent angry hater looking for attention. But outside of a message board thread dedicated to him he gets none from me

It's no secret...
I cannot hold my alcohol
This is why I stopped drinking (way back)

Anyway back on topic:
His socks...



I find that curious
It seems like a little bit more psychoanalysis is required here
So would you describe your feelings as more outraged or betrayed when you first spotted the socks..?

[Baldy]

I thought this was America..?
A place where nobody gave a sh!t what anybody did as long as it didn't infringe on the rights of others

Turns out it's not even close
Bunch a gad damned snow flake cry babies

That guys socks hurt my feelings
That guy took a knee

Blah blah blah - you damned overly sensitive sand encrusted vaginas

Seems like the only one crying is Colin. I mean he is actually suing the NFL for collusion.

[CID1990]

I'll bite, Mr. Troll (who obviously cant hold his alcohol)

Dude's socks bothered me because he was doing what everybody else does: hating a group for superficial reasons

his socks told me everything I needed to know about the guy before he ever knelt

and believe me when I say this- I used to constantly look for people like Kapernick to admire - people who took a stand for honestly held positions, whether I agreed or not - I respect that

But it turns out that Mr. QB is just another low rent angry hater looking for attention. But outside of a message board thread dedicated to him he gets none from me

It's no secret...
I cannot hold my alcohol
This is why I stopped drinking (way back)

Anyway back on topic:
His socks...



I find that curious
It seems like a little bit more psychoanalysis is required here
So would you describe your feelings as more outraged or betrayed when you first spotted the socks..?

I'm not outraged at all

I just have a lower opinion of someone who wears them than someone who doesn't

It also diminishes whatever virtue he is trying to project, and for me, calls to question his motives


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