Obama-Apologist Bingo

[TwinTownBisonFan]

until the GOP retakes the WH and Congress and reverses the gains you've made...

my point is, the guy has been in office 5 months and after waiting years to retake the WH and Congress, you're asking the party to do everything "now" regardless of political consequences... it's a narrow view that has no regard for political reality...

You must have skipped the post were I said we are not expecting everything right away. But we do expect SOME progress.

What gains have we made this year? At the federal level - NONE.

equality of benefits for federal employees for relocation assistance. yeah, it's not civil marriage rights... but it was progress. beyond that... potus cannot fix federal benefits without legislation

[Gil Dobie]

I have to at the donk Obama-apologist on this board. Same ones that said dissent was okay, at least when Bush was President.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds



Jon, I agree with your sentiment, period. You have every right to disagree with the way President Obama is handling this, especially after what he promised during his campaign. Maybe this is what it takes to get a strong third party started, or maybe this will light a fire under Obama's ass, and he will do something.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

I have to at the donk Obama-apologist on this board. Same ones that said dissent was okay, at least when Bush was President.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds



Jon, I agree with your sentiment, period. You have every right to disagree with the way President Obama is handling this, especially after what he promised during his campaign. Maybe this is what it takes to get a strong third party started, or maybe this will light a fire under Obama's ass, and he will do something.

i'm not saying he doesn't have the right there ol' gil...

i'm saying it's political folly to pursue a strategy of threats and brinksmanship 5 months in to an administration.

[D1B]

What is the gay community doin? Hope you didn't put all your eggs in a politician's basket.

How does alienatiing the Obama administration help you achieve your long term goals?

No, we are not relying on one politician - hence the lobbying in congress, and in the states.

Flip your last statement around - how does alienating one of the most reliable constituancies the Democrats have had achieve any long-term Democratic goals?

We're going to need cooperation from the fucking conks in order to get any action on healthcare, ending the wars, energy transition and fixing our econonomy. Sorry, but the gay thing is a deal killer with those assholes. And sorry, it just aint fucking important right now.

Once we get some shit figured out, I'm most confident that Obama is going to come through for you.

Political reality is what it is and it's fucked. To me Obama is first person in my lifetime that has an opportunity to change it, but it's going to take time and sacrifice. You need to sacrifice and be patient.

You fuckers don't own the president.

Jon, you know when motherfuckers across the board are agreeing with ME, it means you are seriously fucked. Sit back, smoke a 6-paper joint and pop season 3 of Magnum PI in the DVD and relax.

[Gil Dobie]

I have to at the donk Obama-apologist on this board. Same ones that said dissent was okay, at least when Bush was President.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds



Jon, I agree with your sentiment, period. You have every right to disagree with the way President Obama is handling this, especially after what he promised during his campaign. Maybe this is what it takes to get a strong third party started, or maybe this will light a fire under Obama's ass, and he will do something.

i'm not saying he doesn't have the right there ol' gil...

i'm saying it's political folly to pursue a strategy of threats and brinksmanship 5 months in to an administration.

Maybe Obama is just a slow writer, taking 5 months on dodt. At this pace, we'll be out of Iraq in 200 years.

[D1B]

i'm not saying he doesn't have the right there ol' gil...

i'm saying it's political folly to pursue a strategy of threats and brinksmanship 5 months in to an administration.

Maybe Obama is just a slow writer, taking 5 months on dodt. At this pace, we'll be out of Iraq in 200 years.

Gil, I love you, but do you ever have anything positive to say? Cmon, give me just one motherfucking thing.

[Rob Iola]

Don't be so sure of that. Many gays will either start voting Green or other third party, or not vote at all.

The Democratic Party has ASSUMED we will always vote/contribute to them, no matter what. That is changing. You need, and you need to let your politician friends know, like I have let the Democratic Party in ARIZONA know, that there is a growing movement to withhold support from any party or politician that does not support equality 100%.

Hey Jon - I'm a Republican, and I respect your rights as a gay man. Any rights that I have you should have too. Not all of us are hate-spewing dittoheads; for most of us it's the economy - we believe in rebuilding America without spending trillions of dollars we don't have (basically, rebuild America first - jobs and infrastructure - in public/private partnerships where growth, not taxes, is emphasized). Unfortunately you're seeing first hand exactly what Democratic "operatives" (to use TTBF's word) have done for like forever - taking your votes for granted without doing anything of substance to help you. Democratic majorities across the board should make this a no-brainer, and yet all you get are a bunch of excuses.

[grizzaholic]

Don't be so sure of that. Many gays will either start voting Green or other third party, or not vote at all.

The Democratic Party has ASSUMED we will always vote/contribute to them, no matter what. That is changing. You need, and you need to let your politician friends know, like I have let the Democratic Party in ARIZONA know, that there is a growing movement to withhold support from any party or politician that does not support equality 100%.

Hey Jon - I'm a Republican, and I respect your rights as a gay man. Any rights that I have you should have too. Not all of us are hate-spewing dittoheads; for most of us it's the economy - we believe in rebuilding America without spending trillions of dollars we don't have (basically, rebuild America first - jobs and infrastructure - in public/private partnerships where growth, not taxes, is emphasized). Unfortunately you're seeing first hand exactly what Democratic "operatives" (to use TTBF's word) have done for like forever - taking your votes for granted without doing anything of substance to help you. Democratic majorities across the board should make this a no-brainer, and yet all you get are a bunch of excuses.

Obama loves to spend him some money.

[Gil Dobie]

Hey Jon - I'm a Republican, and I respect your rights as a gay man. Any rights that I have you should have too. Not all of us are hate-spewing dittoheads; for most of us it's the economy - we believe in rebuilding America without spending trillions of dollars we don't have (basically, rebuild America first - jobs and infrastructure - in public/private partnerships where growth, not taxes, is emphasized). Unfortunately you're seeing first hand exactly what Democratic "operatives" (to use TTBF's word) have done for like forever - taking your votes for granted without doing anything of substance to help you. Democratic majorities across the board should make this a no-brainer, and yet all you get are a bunch of excuses.

Obama loves to spend him some money.

Does he ever, and ever, and ever

[dbackjon]

So what do you suggest we do, TTD1B? Just sit, be patient, and continue to give money to the Democratic Party, and HOPE they get around to us?

[D1B]

So what do you suggest we do, TTD1B? Just sit, be patient, and continue to give money to the Democratic Party, and HOPE they get around to us?

Yes, but continue keep the heat on em but be realistic and respectful to Obama for now. If we're still having this convo in a couple years, fucking kill him, if kkkatamountman and AZjizzfan haven't put a bullet in his head already.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

So what do you suggest we do, TTD1B? Just sit, be patient, and continue to give money to the Democratic Party, and HOPE they get around to us?

join the rest of the world that realizes progress takes time

ask the 45 million uninsured about how long health care reform is taken
ask the parents and spouses of servicemen/women who are waiting for us to finally leave iraq
ask the millions of unemployed americans looking for work
ask the working men and women waiting on EFCA so they can organize

a lot is broken, and a lot needs fixing... and fixing such a big mess is going to take time.

i'm not saying it shouldn't happen, I'm saying people need to be realistic about how long some changes will take. expecting all of that to be fixed in 6 months isn't realistic. nor is it fair. nor is it an acknowledgment of the facts - like working with the DoD on DADT rather than to engage in "shock therapy"

i don't think that it's unreasonable for that to take time...

[dbackjon]

So what do you suggest we do, TTD1B? Just sit, be patient, and continue to give money to the Democratic Party, and HOPE they get around to us?

join the rest of the world that realizes progress takes time

ask the 45 million uninsured about how long health care reform is taken
ask the parents and spouses of servicemen/women who are waiting for us to finally leave iraq
ask the millions of unemployed americans looking for work
ask the working men and women waiting on EFCA so they can organize

a lot is broken, and a lot needs fixing... and fixing such a big mess is going to take time.

i'm not saying it shouldn't happen, I'm saying people need to be realistic about how long some changes will take. expecting all of that to be fixed in 6 months isn't realistic. nor is it fair. nor is it an acknowledgment of the facts - like working with the DoD on DADT rather than to engage in "shock therapy"

i don't think that it's unreasonable for that to take time...

So you are saying shut up, get to the back of the bus, be grateful for any crumbs thrown our way, and above all else, be quiet and be a good house faggot?


Oh - and keep voting for Dems and sending barrels of money.

You will get your turn. We promise. Just after the next election, wait can't bring it up then, gotta get Obama re-elected. How is 2013 for ya?

[D1B]

join the rest of the world that realizes progress takes time

ask the 45 million uninsured about how long health care reform is taken
ask the parents and spouses of servicemen/women who are waiting for us to finally leave iraq
ask the millions of unemployed americans looking for work
ask the working men and women waiting on EFCA so they can organize

a lot is broken, and a lot needs fixing... and fixing such a big mess is going to take time.

i'm not saying it shouldn't happen, I'm saying people need to be realistic about how long some changes will take. expecting all of that to be fixed in 6 months isn't realistic. nor is it fair. nor is it an acknowledgment of the facts - like working with the DoD on DADT rather than to engage in "shock therapy"

i don't think that it's unreasonable for that to take time...

So you are saying shut up, get to the back of the bus, be grateful for any crumbs thrown our way, and above all else, be quiet and be a good house faggot?


Oh - and keep voting for Dems and sending barrels of money.

You will get your turn. We promise. Just after the next election, wait can't bring it up then, gotta get Obama re-elected. How is 2013 for ya?

Jon, I just invented a new term to describe you:

Nazi Faggot

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

join the rest of the world that realizes progress takes time

ask the 45 million uninsured about how long health care reform is taken
ask the parents and spouses of servicemen/women who are waiting for us to finally leave iraq
ask the millions of unemployed americans looking for work
ask the working men and women waiting on EFCA so they can organize

a lot is broken, and a lot needs fixing... and fixing such a big mess is going to take time.

i'm not saying it shouldn't happen, I'm saying people need to be realistic about how long some changes will take. expecting all of that to be fixed in 6 months isn't realistic. nor is it fair. nor is it an acknowledgment of the facts - like working with the DoD on DADT rather than to engage in "shock therapy"

i don't think that it's unreasonable for that to take time...

So you are saying shut up, get to the back of the bus, be grateful for any crumbs thrown our way, and above all else, be quiet and be a good house faggot?


Oh - and keep voting for Dems and sending barrels of money.

You will get your turn. We promise. Just after the next election, wait can't bring it up then, gotta get Obama re-elected. How is 2013 for ya?

This is easy to figure out. If after Obama's first term your group has the same rights it had before his term then you know that the party is full of shit as I already am quite sure that they are. If they say they are planning on doing something about it in the second term and you fall for it then it's your fault. If they thought it was important then something would be done while they definitely have the opportunity which may be gone as a second term isn't guaranteed. It will again be promised to you in 2011 though.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

join the rest of the world that realizes progress takes time

ask the 45 million uninsured about how long health care reform is taken
ask the parents and spouses of servicemen/women who are waiting for us to finally leave iraq
ask the millions of unemployed americans looking for work
ask the working men and women waiting on EFCA so they can organize

a lot is broken, and a lot needs fixing... and fixing such a big mess is going to take time.

i'm not saying it shouldn't happen, I'm saying people need to be realistic about how long some changes will take. expecting all of that to be fixed in 6 months isn't realistic. nor is it fair. nor is it an acknowledgment of the facts - like working with the DoD on DADT rather than to engage in "shock therapy"

i don't think that it's unreasonable for that to take time...

So you are saying shut up, get to the back of the bus, be grateful for any crumbs thrown our way, and above all else, be quiet and be a good house faggot?


Oh - and keep voting for Dems and sending barrels of money.

You will get your turn. We promise. Just after the next election, wait can't bring it up then, gotta get Obama re-elected. How is 2013 for ya?

no... i'm saying stop acting like your agenda is the most pressing fucking issue for our ENTIRE country at the moment... get the fuck up over yourself and realize that, as much as I personally support your rights and equality, about half of this country doesn't, and that a fair number of them don't even acknowledge your right to exist. realize that clearing that political hurdle isn't going to happen overnight, but mostly... take a chill pill the size Maricopa County and stop deep-ending because your particular agenda item isn't first on the priority list for a country beset by recession, war, and 45 million without health care.

I get the whole attempt to make your case analogous to the civil rights movement of the 60's... and I see some parallels... however... you aren't being assaulted by fire hoses or police dogs... so your over-wrought hyperbole really misses the mark. Just a reminder... JFK was sworn in January of 1961, most civil rights legislation took until 1964 to pass...

[D1B]

So you are saying shut up, get to the back of the bus, be grateful for any crumbs thrown our way, and above all else, be quiet and be a good house faggot?


Oh - and keep voting for Dems and sending barrels of money.

You will get your turn. We promise. Just after the next election, wait can't bring it up then, gotta get Obama re-elected. How is 2013 for ya?

no... i'm saying stop acting like your agenda is the most pressing fucking issue for our ENTIRE country at the moment... get the fuck up over yourself and realize that, as much as I personally support your rights and equality, about half of this country doesn't, and that a fair number of them don't even acknowledge your right to exist. realize that clearing that political hurdle isn't going to happen overnight, but mostly... take a chill pill the size Maricopa County and stop deep-ending because your particular agenda item isn't first on the priority list for a country beset by recession, war, and 45 million without health care.

I get the whole attempt to make your case analogous to the civil rights movement of the 60's... and I see some parallels... however... you aren't being assaulted by fire hoses or police dogs... so your over-wrought hyperbole really misses the mark. Just a reminder... JFK was sworn in January of 1961, most civil rights legislation took until 1964 to pass...

EXACTLY

[D1B]

So you are saying shut up, get to the back of the bus, be grateful for any crumbs thrown our way, and above all else, be quiet and be a good house faggot?


Oh - and keep voting for Dems and sending barrels of money.

You will get your turn. We promise. Just after the next election, wait can't bring it up then, gotta get Obama re-elected. How is 2013 for ya?

no... i'm saying stop acting like your agenda is the most pressing fucking issue for our ENTIRE country at the moment... get the fuck up over yourself and realize that, as much as I personally support your rights and equality, about half of this country doesn't, and that a fair number of them don't even acknowledge your right to exist. realize that clearing that political hurdle isn't going to happen overnight, but mostly... take a chill pill the size Maricopa County and stop deep-ending because your particular agenda item isn't first on the priority list for a country beset by recession, war, and 45 million without health care.

I get the whole attempt to make your case analogous to the civil rights movement of the 60's... and I see some parallels... however... you aren't being assaulted by fire hoses or police dogs... so your over-wrought hyperbole really misses the mark. Just a reminder... JFK was sworn in January of 1961, most civil rights legislation took until 1964 to pass...

Yeah, but gays gave him sooo much money! SMFH at that recurring rationale from Jon.

[citdog]

No one stopped the 1st Minnesota while they were marching through the south with Sherman.

damn right...

my great-great-great-grandfather among them

AND WHAT A RECORD TO BE PROUD OF!!!!!!!!! THE WANTON DESTRUCTION OF A BEAUTIFUL CULTURE. THE ILLEGAL SUBJUGATION OF A PEOPLE EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS FROM GOD AND THE CONSTITUTION. WE KILLED 300,000 YANKEES AND MY ONLY GREAT REGRET IS THAT YOUR ANCESTOR WAS A COWARD WHO MADE SURE FIGHTING MEN HAD UNDERWEAR AND SOCKS AND WAS NOT VENTILATED BY SOUTHERN STEEL.

[Ibanez]

damn right...

my great-great-great-grandfather among them

AND WHAT A RECORD TO BE PROUD OF!!!!!!!!! THE WANTON DESTRUCTION OF A BEAUTIFUL CULTURE. THE ILLEGAL SUBJUGATION OF A PEOPLE EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS FROM GOD AND THE CONSTITUTION. WE KILLED 300,000 YANKEES AND MY ONLY GREAT REGRET IS THAT YOUR ANCESTOR WAS A COWARD WHO MADE SURE FIGHTING MEN HAD UNDERWEAR AND SOCKS AND WAS NOT VENTILATED BY SOUTHERN STEEL.

Dude, it's a lost cause. Faced with facts, you can't change thier POV> They think Lincoln was great. They are what DiLorenzo calls, "gatekeepers".

[citdog]

So what do you suggest we do, TTD1B? Just sit, be patient, and continue to give money to the Democratic Party, and HOPE they get around to us?

join the rest of the world that realizes progress takes time

ask the 45 million uninsured about how long health care reform is taken
ask the parents and spouses of servicemen/women who are waiting for us to finally leave iraq
ask the millions of unemployed americans looking for work
ask the working men and women waiting on EFCA so they can organize

Tell them to get a ******* job
how dare you have the gall to mention our fighting men.....after your party leader in the "reichstag" declared them to be defeated and your former presidential cani declared them to be a bunch of idiots "stuck in Iraq"
see first
organize and ruin other companies the way they have our automakers??????

[citdog]

AND WHAT A RECORD TO BE PROUD OF!!!!!!!!! THE WANTON DESTRUCTION OF A BEAUTIFUL CULTURE. THE ILLEGAL SUBJUGATION OF A PEOPLE EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS FROM GOD AND THE CONSTITUTION. WE KILLED 300,000 YANKEES AND MY ONLY GREAT REGRET IS THAT YOUR ANCESTOR WAS A COWARD WHO MADE SURE FIGHTING MEN HAD UNDERWEAR AND SOCKS AND WAS NOT VENTILATED BY SOUTHERN STEEL.

it's a lost cause. .

MY FAVORITE KIND!!!!!

[Gil Dobie]

I still can't believe the minimalizing of this issue, just because Obama has not acted on it yet.

And then attacking Jon for his strong views on the issue

The rights of a few hundred detainees in Gitmo seems more important to the Obama administration, than the rights of several million Americans.

[citdog]

I still can't believe the minimalizing of this issue, just because Obama has not acted on it yet.

And then attacking Jon for his strong views on the issue

The rights of a few hundred detainees in Gitmo seems more important to the Obama administration, than the rights of several million Americans.

fagella?

[Gil Dobie]

I still can't believe the minimalizing of this issue, just because Obama has not acted on it yet.

And then attacking Jon for his strong views on the issue

The rights of a few hundred detainees in Gitmo seems more important to the Obama administration, than the rights of several million Americans.

fagella?

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