....and the coffee bean.Chizzang wrote: Sure,
We could probably survive
But simultaneously we're completely dependent on insects
like bees for example
The real question isn't about humans
it's about catastrophic system collapse at the microbiological level
Both flowering plants and bees appeared during the Mesozoic era. I'm not trying to act as though I already knew that. I just looked it up. Insects in general were around before the Mesozoic era.Chizzang wrote:Sure,JohnStOnge wrote:
I think our species could survive in atmospheric and climatological conditions such as those in the Mesozoic era. We're very adaptable. It's believed that both global CO2 levels and global temperatures were much higher then than they are now. Also much higher than what they're projected by climate scientists to be 100 years from now if we take the "business as usual" approach. It's also believed that there were large numbers of oxygen breathing land animals.
Some believe rising oxygen levels contributed to our evolution (https://news.nationalgeographic.com/new ... xygen.html). But now that we exist I think we could handle somewhat lower oxygen levels such as those prevalent during parts of the Mesozoic. People live in low oxygen environments today. High altitudes, for instance.
We could probably survive
But simultaneously we're completely dependent on insects
like bees for example
The real question isn't about humans
it's about catastrophic system collapse at the microbiological level
I don't think he is talking about microbes not surviving. He is talking about the microbiological processes that we depend on being altered (due to microbiological adaptations, etc) to the point that processes necessary for our own survival are jeopardized.JohnStOnge wrote:Both flowering plants and bees appeared during the Mesozoic era. I'm not trying to act as though I already knew that. I just looked it up. Insects in general were around before the Mesozoic era.Chizzang wrote:
Sure,
We could probably survive
But simultaneously we're completely dependent on insects
like bees for example
The real question isn't about humans
it's about catastrophic system collapse at the microbiological level
Microbes are probably even more adaptable as populations than humans are.
I don't think that would happen. We are too adaptable. I do not think something like the climate and atmosphere of the Mesozoic era returning would in and of itself result in our extinction. Just think a out the variety of environments in which Homo sapiens survived even before we became relatively advanced. The Arctic. The Tropics. The Himalayas. The Sahara Desert. So on and so forth. Different environments. Completely different available food sources. Completely different challenges.CID1990 wrote:I don't think he is talking about microbes not surviving. He is talking about the microbiological processes that we depend on being altered (due to microbiological adaptations, etc) to the point that processes necessary for our own survival are jeopardized.JohnStOnge wrote:
Both flowering plants and bees appeared during the Mesozoic era. I'm not trying to act as though I already knew that. I just looked it up. Insects in general were around before the Mesozoic era.
Microbes are probably even more adaptable as populations than humans are.
Sure...JohnStOnge wrote:I don't think that would happen. We are too adaptable. I do not think something like the climate and atmosphere of the Mesozoic era returning would in and of itself result in our extinction. Just think a out the variety of environments in which Homo sapiens survived even before we became relatively advanced. The Arctic. The Tropics. The Himalayas. The Sahara Desert. So on and so forth. Different environments. Completely different available food sources. Completely different challenges.CID1990 wrote:
I don't think he is talking about microbes not surviving. He is talking about the microbiological processes that we depend on being altered (due to microbiological adaptations, etc) to the point that processes necessary for our own survival are jeopardized.
That's why Kyrgyzstan is on my wishlist of places to be posted.Chizzang wrote:Snow Leopards
Bingo. There is always something that is on the fringes of the bell curve.Chizzang wrote:Sure...JohnStOnge wrote:
I don't think that would happen. We are too adaptable. I do not think something like the climate and atmosphere of the Mesozoic era returning would in and of itself result in our extinction. Just think a out the variety of environments in which Homo sapiens survived even before we became relatively advanced. The Arctic. The Tropics. The Himalayas. The Sahara Desert. So on and so forth. Different environments. Completely different available food sources. Completely different challenges.
But the numbers of humans remaining would be small
The advanced systems we have in place require everything to stay the same
I don't doubt that "some humans" would survive
but we're talking about some complex biological systems collapsing
and taking centuries to readjust and stabilize
and we're talking about some complex human system following that collapse
Sure, there will be humans
Just like their are Snow Leopards
No. I don't think it'd be like Snow Leopards. I don't think the numbers would be small. There might be some suffering. But the numbers wouldn't be small. We are technologically advanced now. If what you're talking about is just returning relatively quickly to the climate and atmospheric composition of the Mesozoic era I don't think our species would be seriously threatened.Chizzang wrote:Sure...JohnStOnge wrote:
I don't think that would happen. We are too adaptable. I do not think something like the climate and atmosphere of the Mesozoic era returning would in and of itself result in our extinction. Just think a out the variety of environments in which Homo sapiens survived even before we became relatively advanced. The Arctic. The Tropics. The Himalayas. The Sahara Desert. So on and so forth. Different environments. Completely different available food sources. Completely different challenges.
But the numbers of humans remaining would be small
The advanced systems we have in place require everything to stay the same
I don't doubt that "some humans" would survive
but we're talking about some complex biological systems collapsing
and taking centuries to readjust and stabilize
and we're talking about some complex human system following that collapse
Sure, there will be humans
Just like their are Snow Leopards
How large of a role do you think epigenetics would play? I'm pretty much of the belief that our DNA interplay is real time. We would start adapting almost immediately.JohnStOnge wrote:No. I don't think it'd be like Snow Leopards. I don't think the numbers would be small. There might be some suffering. But the numbers wouldn't be small. We are technologically advanced now. If what you're talking about is just returning relatively quickly to the climate and atmospheric composition of the Mesozoic era I don't think our species would be seriously threatened.Chizzang wrote:
Sure...
But the numbers of humans remaining would be small
The advanced systems we have in place require everything to stay the same
I don't doubt that "some humans" would survive
but we're talking about some complex biological systems collapsing
and taking centuries to readjust and stabilize
and we're talking about some complex human system following that collapse
Sure, there will be humans
Just like their are Snow Leopards
I guess I should say that I don't think we're anywhere close to that anyway. When they're projecting Climate 100 years from now they're not talking about stuff like average global temperatures being something like 10 degrees C higher than they are now.