Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[CID1990]

Op-ed from Fusion GPS regarding the Steele Dossier, their congressional testimony and disclosure of possible outside threats, and the apparent disinterest by the investigating committee to look into Trump's financials. Who knows whether there's anything illegal or just embarrassment but if there's nothing to hide, why not make it all public to remove any doubts, and finally move on? Isn't the public owed this type of sunlight?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opin ... d=fb-share

Reads like a legal strategy to me.


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[Ivytalk]

Bannon is smart. The Trump family is not. This might be interesting.

Bannon just shot himself in the balls. He’s nothing without Trump. He won’t swing a single primary.

[SDHornet]

With this Bannon "news", we now get to see the leftist change narratives (again) and proclaim that Bannon is a brilliant genius all along, and not the vile nazi they've been claiming for the last year+.

PURE GOLD!!!

[CID1990]

Op-ed from Fusion GPS regarding the Steele Dossier, their congressional testimony and disclosure of possible outside threats, and the apparent disinterest by the investigating committee to look into Trump's financials. Who knows whether there's anything illegal or just embarrassment but if there's nothing to hide, why not make it all public to remove any doubts, and finally move on? Isn't the public owed this type of sunlight?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opin ... d=fb-share

Come to find out, the reason there's no "sunlight" is because it was Fusion GPS that specifically asked that the transcripts not be released, and the request is on the Congressional hearing record.

Add to this that Fusion GPS official took the 5th to force a closed door session.

NOW they want things in the open (which will happen)

I wonder why? It couldn't possibly be coordinated with the members of the committee threatening a minority report unless they call more witnesses, like Don Jr. Maybe he can testify for another 7 hours?

This isn't about transparency, klam. The Democrats just want to drag the hearings into 2018 because they need it to run up against the midterms. And ultimately it doesn't matter. The Mueller investigation is controlling in this instance, and maybe people are starting to realize that isn't going to produce the results they want.

[kalm]

Op-ed from Fusion GPS regarding the Steele Dossier, their congressional testimony and disclosure of possible outside threats, and the apparent disinterest by the investigating committee to look into Trump's financials. Who knows whether there's anything illegal or just embarrassment but if there's nothing to hide, why not make it all public to remove any doubts, and finally move on? Isn't the public owed this type of sunlight?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opin ... d=fb-share

Come to find out, the reason there's no "sunlight" is because it was Fusion GPS that specifically asked that the transcripts not be released, and the request is on the Congressional hearing record.

Add to this that Fusion GPS official took the 5th to force a closed door session.

NOW they want things in the open (which will happen)

I wonder why? It couldn't possibly be coordinated with the members of the committee threatening a minority report unless they call more witnesses, like Don Jr. Maybe he can testify for another 7 hours?

This isn't about transparency, klam. The Democrats just want to drag the hearings into 2018 because they need it to run up against the midterms. And ultimately it doesn't matter. The Mueller investigation is controlling in this instance, and maybe people are starting to realize that isn't going to produce the results they want.

I was referring to the Trump organization's financials in general, not just Fusion GPS. Bannon may be full of shit in his money laundering accusation and actually know nothing, but it's not exactly a stretch between Manafort, the Bank of Cyprus, the meeting in Trump Tower in 2016, and Eric Trump's quote in 2014 that they get funds from the Russians to finance golf development to connect some dots and raise eyebrows. If Bannon is full of shit and making this up, what's the payoff for him? I'm guessing he's smart enough to have realized the implications of taking on Trump head on.

Again, there may be nothing there, but financial disclosure would end the speculation for sure.

Of course Dems are going to leverage the situation from a political standpoint, but transparency is still a good thing.

[CID1990]

Come to find out, the reason there's no "sunlight" is because it was Fusion GPS that specifically asked that the transcripts not be released, and the request is on the Congressional hearing record.

Add to this that Fusion GPS official took the 5th to force a closed door session.

NOW they want things in the open (which will happen)

I wonder why? It couldn't possibly be coordinated with the members of the committee threatening a minority report unless they call more witnesses, like Don Jr. Maybe he can testify for another 7 hours?

This isn't about transparency, klam. The Democrats just want to drag the hearings into 2018 because they need it to run up against the midterms. And ultimately it doesn't matter. The Mueller investigation is controlling in this instance, and maybe people are starting to realize that isn't going to produce the results they want.

I was referring to the Trump organization's financials in general, not just Fusion GPS. Bannon may be full of **** in his money laundering accusation and actually know nothing, but it's not exactly a stretch between Manafort, the Bank of Cyprus, the meeting in Trump Tower in 2016, and Eric Trump's quote in 2014 that they get funds from the Russians to finance golf development to connect some dots and raise eyebrows. If Bannon is full of **** and making this up, what's the payoff for him? I'm guessing he's smart enough to have realized the implications of taking on Trump head on.

Again, there may be nothing there, but financial disclosure would end the speculation for sure.

Of course Dems are going to leverage the situation from a political standpoint, but transparency is still a good thing.

Refer to what you want -

But what you linked was an op-ed from two guys who now claim to want something exactly opposite from what they angled for in Congressional hearings - and in fact they delegitimized exactly what they were trying to advocate for in the process

It might be time for the Russia cheerleaders to sit down and hush because they are only hurting their case

I’m actually trying to figure out what hasn’t been transparent about the House and Senate investigations - everything that has been closed door has been so at the behest of minority deponents- like Fusion GPS

[kalm]

I was referring to the Trump organization's financials in general, not just Fusion GPS. Bannon may be full of **** in his money laundering accusation and actually know nothing, but it's not exactly a stretch between Manafort, the Bank of Cyprus, the meeting in Trump Tower in 2016, and Eric Trump's quote in 2014 that they get funds from the Russians to finance golf development to connect some dots and raise eyebrows. If Bannon is full of **** and making this up, what's the payoff for him? I'm guessing he's smart enough to have realized the implications of taking on Trump head on.

Again, there may be nothing there, but financial disclosure would end the speculation for sure.

Of course Dems are going to leverage the situation from a political standpoint, but transparency is still a good thing.

Refer to what you want -

But what you linked was an op-ed from two guys who now claim to want something exactly opposite from what they angled for in Congressional hearings - and in fact they delegitimized exactly what they were trying to advocate for in the process

It might be time for the Russia cheerleaders to sit down and hush because they are only hurting their case

I’m actually trying to figure out what hasn’t been transparent about the House and Senate investigations - everything that has been closed door has been so at the behest of minority deponents- like Fusion GPS

Is it surprising that Fusion GPS is pushing back? It's not a smoking gun, just more smoke. You're trying very hard though to dismiss it all.

[∞∞∞]

With this Bannon "news", we now get to see the leftist change narratives (again) and proclaim that Bannon is a brilliant genius all along, and not the vile nazi they've been claiming for the last year+.

PURE GOLD!!!

Who's saying Bannon is a brilliant genius? The man just helped lose Alabama to a Democrat, and his only goal is to dismantle the administrative state and sow chaos. Bannon's essentially a dick that likes to see the world burn and doesn't really hide his intentions at all. I've read some doctors saying he shows the hallmark trades of an untreated sociopath.

Heck, I can agree with Trump on a few things, but it doesn't make Trump a genius. Same with Bannon.

[Ivytalk]

With this Bannon "news", we now get to see the leftist change narratives (again) and proclaim that Bannon is a brilliant genius all along, and not the vile nazi they've been claiming for the last year+.

PURE GOLD!!!

Who's saying Bannon is a brilliant genius? The man just helped lose Alabama to a Democrat, and his only goal is to dismantle the administrative state and sow chaos. Bannon's essentially a dick that likes to see the world burn and doesn't really hide his intentions at all. I've read some doctors saying he shows the hallmark trades of an untreated sociopath.

Heck, I can agree with Trump on a few things, but it doesn't make Trump a genius. Same with Bannon.

You just violated GannonFan’s trademark on the use of “heck.” He’s well known around here as “Dr. Heck.” You should either lawyer up, or prepare to be audited by Dr. Heck.

[kalm]

With this Bannon "news", we now get to see the leftist change narratives (again) and proclaim that Bannon is a brilliant genius all along, and not the vile nazi they've been claiming for the last year+.

PURE GOLD!!!

Who's saying Bannon is a brilliant genius? The man just helped lose Alabama to a Democrat, and his only goal is to dismantle the administrative state and sow chaos. Bannon's essentially a dick that likes to see the world burn and doesn't really hide his intentions at all. I've read some doctors saying he shows the hallmark trades of an untreated sociopath.

Heck, I can agree with Trump on a few things, but it doesn't make Trump a genius. Same with Bannon.

Why can't vile nazis be brilliant geniuses too?

[GannonFan]

Who's saying Bannon is a brilliant genius? The man just helped lose Alabama to a Democrat, and his only goal is to dismantle the administrative state and sow chaos. Bannon's essentially a dick that likes to see the world burn and doesn't really hide his intentions at all. I've read some doctors saying he shows the hallmark trades of an untreated sociopath.

Heck, I can agree with Trump on a few things, but it doesn't make Trump a genius. Same with Bannon.

You just violated GannonFan’s trademark on the use of “heck.” He’s well known around here as “Dr. Heck.” You should either lawyer up, or prepare to be audited by Dr. Heck.

Heck, I'm okay with people using the term "heck". It's like a stamp of my impact on others. #respect.

[Ivytalk]

You just violated GannonFan’s trademark on the use of “heck.” He’s well known around here as “Dr. Heck.” You should either lawyer up, or prepare to be audited by Dr. Heck.

Heck, I'm okay with people using the term "heck". It's like a stamp of my impact on others. #respect.

The heck with you, then.

[GannonFan]

Heck, I'm okay with people using the term "heck". It's like a stamp of my impact on others. #respect.

The heck with you, then.

Bravo.

[CID1990]

Refer to what you want -

But what you linked was an op-ed from two guys who now claim to want something exactly opposite from what they angled for in Congressional hearings - and in fact they delegitimized exactly what they were trying to advocate for in the process

It might be time for the Russia cheerleaders to sit down and hush because they are only hurting their case

I’m actually trying to figure out what hasn’t been transparent about the House and Senate investigations - everything that has been closed door has been so at the behest of minority deponents- like Fusion GPS

Is it surprising that Fusion GPS is pushing back? It's not a smoking gun, just more smoke. You're trying very hard though to dismiss it all.

No, you’re completely missing the point. Fusion GPS has done a complete 180. Why do you think that is?

Don’t pretend to understand if you don’t... just say so and I’ll explain the question more simply.

[SDHornet]

Who's saying Bannon is a brilliant genius? The man just helped lose Alabama to a Democrat, and his only goal is to dismantle the administrative state and sow chaos. Bannon's essentially a dick that likes to see the world burn and doesn't really hide his intentions at all. I've read some doctors saying he shows the hallmark trades of an untreated sociopath.

Heck, I can agree with Trump on a few things, but it doesn't make Trump a genius. Same with Bannon.

Why can't vile nazis be brilliant geniuses too?

Because punch a nazi. Remember that whole leftist theme?

[CAA Flagship]

Why can't vile nazis be brilliant geniuses too?

Because punch a nazi. Remember that whole leftist theme?

[houndawg]

Bannon is a Deep State Hillarybot.


I wonder what his Grand Jury testimony was like.

..the music so sweet...

[houndawg]

Because punch a nazi. Remember that whole leftist theme?

that's beautiful, man..... that's how you deal with Nazi's if you don't have your gun with you.

[houndawg]

With this Bannon "news", we now get to see the leftist change narratives (again) and proclaim that Bannon is a brilliant genius all along, and not the vile nazi they've been claiming for the last year+.

PURE GOLD!!!

I'm not. I'm just enjoying the entertainment!

But you're right.....PURE GOLD!!!

BURN BABY BURN!!!! Bring the house down!

[houndawg]

Tell me what you think it means. You just posted a blog and said: "I'll leave this here." I read that as a trolling attempt.

I assume you legitimately think they're part of a Deep State conspiracy/coup?

Deep State...nah more politically motivated than anything. These are hillbots (donors) putting party before country, one of whom was directly involved with the dossier creation that got this whole nothingburger jump started. Horowitz is looking into things now. Should be interesting going forward, and not in a "hey we finally have proof of collusion" kind of way.

I keep telling you that collusion is not the story but you insist on clinging to this phony narrative...

One more time, amigo: money laundering.

Pay attention when I try to help you through life, I won't always be here to do that for you,


You especially don't want to miss the part where he sacrifices immediate family members on the altar of deniability. That's going to be hilarious...

[Skjellyfetti]

No, you’re completely missing the point. Fusion GPS has done a complete 180. Why do you think that is?

Don’t pretend to understand if you don’t... just say so and I’ll explain the question more simply.

It's cool you and Nunes have a new hobby horse now.

Why aren't y'all still harping on the unmasking story?

[kalm]

Is it surprising that Fusion GPS is pushing back? It's not a smoking gun, just more smoke. You're trying very hard though to dismiss it all.

No, you’re completely missing the point. Fusion GPS has done a complete 180. Why do you think that is?

Don’t pretend to understand if you don’t... just say so and I’ll explain the question more simply.

I think you might be confusing YOUR point with THE point. I'll take a stab at yours though and guess that it's because they've been attacked with leaked snippets of information and feel it's time to let all their info out. I can only imagine why they wanted their testimony private in the first place (I'm guessing there are sound reasons) but since they're now asking for it all to be made public, who cares? (Other than those who don't want all the information out and tribalists). Sunlight is good.

[houndawg]

With this Bannon "news", we now get to see the leftist change narratives (again) and proclaim that Bannon is a brilliant genius all along, and not the vile nazi they've been claiming for the last year+.

PURE GOLD!!!

Who's saying Bannon is a brilliant genius? The man just helped lose Alabama to a Democrat, and his only goal is to dismantle the administrative state and sow chaos. Bannon's essentially a dick that likes to see the world burn and doesn't really hide his intentions at all. I've read some doctors saying he shows the hallmark trades of an untreated sociopath.

Heck, I can agree with Trump on a few things, but it doesn't make Trump a genius. Same with Bannon.

You say that like its a bad thing...

[CID1990]

No, you’re completely missing the point. Fusion GPS has done a complete 180. Why do you think that is?

Don’t pretend to understand if you don’t... just say so and I’ll explain the question more simply.

I think you might be confusing YOUR point with THE point. I'll take a stab at yours though and guess that it's because they've been attacked with leaked snippets of information and feel it's time to let all their info out. I can only imagine why they wanted their testimony private in the first place (I'm guessing there are sound reasons) but since they're now asking for it all to be made public, who cares? (Other than those who don't want all the information out and tribalists). Sunlight is good.

Since you have apparently joined Jelly in being completely myopic about this entire thing-

and you are right - sunlight IS good - and you can refer to my other post that points out that the temper tantrum of an NYT article that you posted directly coincides with Fusion GPS losing their bid in court to keep their bank statements away from investigators

sunlight indeed - somehow I doubt you are going to be as enthusiastic about what gets exposed

this whole subtopic is going to die on the vine in short order


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[CID1990]

No, you’re completely missing the point. Fusion GPS has done a complete 180. Why do you think that is?

Don’t pretend to understand if you don’t... just say so and I’ll explain the question more simply.

It's cool you and Nunes have a new hobby horse now.

Why aren't y'all still harping on the unmasking story?

There's a whole slew of people picking up on the idea that there was misconduct at FBI -

but don't lose heart, Jelly.... misconduct at the FBI doesnt mean the Trumpers DIDNT do something wrong

The unmasking issue is still out there but it is small beans at this point

unlike your hobby horse, which was DOA the moment you started this thread

where's the collusion, Jelly?


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