Breaking: Active Shooter HS Broward Co, FL

[Chizzang]

First of all this isn't my problem
I'm not a teenager in America

secondly I'm not anti gun

Thirdly, we do have a problem
Hell we can't even study gun violence in this country so nobody really knows how bad our problem is
there's no official reports because our government is terrified to lose lobby money

"Since 2000, there have been more than 188 shootings at schools and universities, my Washington Post colleague Philip Bump estimates. (It's hard to cite a definitive number, because the federal government does not study gun violence in the United States. The National Rifle Association has opposed any measure to fund research or accounting of America's gun epidemic.)"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html

Why are you telling me sh1t I already know?

Go convince somebody else

I'm just saying what nobody wants to acknowledge .... we have a problem that is only solvable if we do the un-doable. its s stupid debate which is why I dont debate... i just offer the only solution

10-4 McGoo
There is nothing to debate other than minutia...

was it 300 school shootings or 290
Was it 440 dead kids or 388 dead kids



Somehow that has become the important part

[Pwns]

I don't buy for a single second that, say, 50 years ago a young man that fantasizes about blowing a bunch of classmates away wouldn't be able to find a gun to do it. He might not have had a magazine that holds 20 bullets, but I'm sure he could get a gun and probably would've been a better shot than your average school shooter of today.

Something is different today than back then, and it's not the availability of guns. I don't have much hope we'll really figure out what it is and we'll continue to have the same discussions every time.

[AZGrizFan]

Why don't we have mass shootings at airports or sports stadiums? During jury duty, I had to do the same process as the airport. Is convenience more important than safety?

Same reason we don't have mass shootings at the White House, Senate Building, etc., etc. All of them have metal detectors and visible, armed security guards. It's not that complicated. And in fact, if I were a parent of school-aged children, I'd be in front of the school board DEMANDING it at this very moment. This IS preventable, without worrying about the fucksticks in Congress having to get off their dead asses, stop focusing on Russia and start focusing on the problems in America....that ain't EVER gonna happen so start applying some goddamned common sense to the situation. Take the bond money and stop building pretty parking lots and start building secure facilities. Fire some useless administrators and hire some fucking trained security people. Get teachers who want to be qualified and let them carry. THEN ADVERTISE THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE ARMED INDIVIDUALS ON THE CAMPUS SO ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK instead of bragging that it's a "gun free (translation: target rich) environment.

[89Hen]

[JoltinJoe]

I don't buy for a single second that, say, 50 years ago a young man that fantasizes about blowing a bunch of classmates away wouldn't be able to find a gun to do it. He might not have had a magazine that holds 20 bullets, but I'm sure he could get a gun and probably would've been a better shot than your average school shooter of today.

Something is different today than back then, and it's not the availability of guns. I don't have much hope we'll really figure out what it is and we'll continue to have the same discussions every time.

It's the 24/7 news cycle that makes the shooters infamous in a matter of moments.

Name the guy who shot up the University of Texas in 1966.

Name the guys who shot up Columbine in 1999.

[AZGrizFan]

I don't buy for a single second that, say, 50 years ago a young man that fantasizes about blowing a bunch of classmates away wouldn't be able to find a gun to do it. He might not have had a magazine that holds 20 bullets, but I'm sure he could get a gun and probably would've been a better shot than your average school shooter of today.

Something is different today than back then, and it's not the availability of guns. I don't have much hope we'll really figure out what it is and we'll continue to have the same discussions every time.

It's the 24/7 news cycle that makes the shooters infamous in a matter of moments.

Name the guy who shot up the University of Texas in 1966.

Name the guys who shot up Columbine in 1999.

name the guy who shot up the movie theatre
name the guy who shot up Fort Hood
Name the guy who shot up the church in Texas just last year
Name the guy who shot up Va Tech
name the guy and wife who shot up Sacramento
Name the guy who shot up Orlando nightclub
Name the guy who shot up Vegas

Can't name ANY of them without googling, can you? At least I can't. They get 15 minutes, that's about it.

[Pwns]

I can remember the name of the shooters from Columbine and the 00s, but I stopped keeping up around Aurora and only know Adam Lanza's name because of Spanos' constant posts. It's always the same profile - angry, socially isolated males with either a mental illness or autism or something related. I don't read about them in depth any more because it's variations on the same theme.

That or it's an Allah Ackbar attack.

[CID1990]

Why are you telling me sh1t I already know?

Go convince somebody else

I'm just saying what nobody wants to acknowledge .... we have a problem that is only solvable if we do the un-doable. its s stupid debate which is why I dont debate... i just offer the only solution

10-4 McGoo
There is nothing to debate other than minutia...

was it 300 school shootings or 290
Was it 440 dead kids or 388 dead kids



Somehow that has become the important part

Amending the Constitution isn’t minutiae

[BDKJMU]

"FBI admits it didn’t investigate tip on alleged school shooter last month

The FBI was warned last month that Nikolas Cruz was an armed psycho who might shoot up a school — but it didn’t bother investigating, the agency admitted Friday.

“A person close to” Cruz called the agency’s tipline on Jan. 5 and reported the 19-year-old had a “desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts” and there was “potential of him conducting a school shooting,” the FBI said in a statement.

But the agency said it failed to pass on any of that information to its Miami field office, even thought its own protocols say he “should have been assessed as a potential threat to life.”....."
https://nypost.com/2018/02/16/fbi-faile ... ast-month/

Meanwhile, Fl Gov calls on FBI director to resign..
https://www.local10.com/news/parkland-s ... tigate-tip

[BDKJMU]

So they're going to demolish the entire building that houses 900 students, and rebuild it at a cost of 25-30 million.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c ... 64969.html
I pretty much agree with most of the comments- tearing it down and rebuilding is a ridiculous waste of FL taxpayer $$. Let's spending 25-30 million because of feelings, instead of a few hundred k for new cosmetic..

[CID1990]

"FBI admits it didn’t investigate tip on alleged school shooter last month

The FBI was warned last month that Nikolas Boobs was an armed psycho who might shoot up a school — but it didn’t bother investigating, the agency admitted Friday.

“A person close to” Boobs called the agency’s tipline on Jan. 5 and reported the 19-year-old had a “desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts” and there was “potential of him conducting a school shooting,” the FBI said in a statement.

But the agency said it failed to pass on any of that information to its Miami field office, even thought its own protocols say he “should have been assessed as a potential threat to life.”....."
https://nypost.com/2018/02/16/fbi-faile ... ast-month/

Meanwhile, Fl Gov calls on FBI director to resign..
https://www.local10.com/news/parkland-s ... tigate-tip

meh

Do you realize how many calls about this kind of thing the FBI takes daily?

weeding out the real from the 5000 calls they get from paranoid neighbors and Spandos types?

I dont fault the FBI for this

what if they checked him out? What then? Were they going to lock him away indefinitely for what? jaywalking?


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[Chizzang]

10-4 McGoo
There is nothing to debate other than minutia...

was it 300 school shootings or 290
Was it 440 dead kids or 388 dead kids



Somehow that has become the important part

Amending the Constitution isn’t minutiae

pfft...

Like that's going to happen
There's way too much money in the 2nd amendment business

We're just as likely to see Senate members healthcare revoked as we are an amended 2nd
The gun debate in this country is like a license to print money

[Pwns]

Agree with the FBI comment. What are they going to do? They can't arrest him and they can't come in and keep him from buying the gun.

[kalm]

God is not allowed in school? God is only in hearts and minds if they’re reminded about him/her in school?

God can’t say “fuck it...I’m gonna be a presence there anyway.”?

God...spiteful with omnipotence thwarted by a constitution...

[Ibanez]

Oh lawdy lawd.

Not aimed st you but - why do Republicans feel the need to have religion in the schools. The same first amendment right that allows me to say “Good morning” at school also protects my ability to the Our Father. What’s wrong with the 1st Amendment? There’s a bill making its way through SC regarding school prayer. It’s useless, feel good legislation.


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[Chizzang]

God is not allowed in school? God is only in hearts and minds if they’re reminded about him/her in school?

God can’t say “fuck it...I’m gonna be a presence there anyway.”?

God...spiteful with omnipotence thwarted by a constitution...

God is allowed anywhere and everywhere
The God of our understanding
God is an inside job

Anybody who thinks it needs to be politically sanctioned and mandated
is basically a fundamentalist and an extreme danger to freedom and human dignity

See: Islamic State for more details

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[89Hen]

Holy shit are you guys getting easier to trigger these days.

[Chizzang]

Holy shit are you guys getting easier to trigger these days.

ah yes..
We're all being trolled

[JohnStOnge]

Same old same old. Guns are a factor. They are effective tools. But they are not a primary factor. It's as I've written in other posts. You can go to something like the list of gun ownership and gun homicide rates at the Washington Post page at http://www.washingtonpost.com and run the numbers. Looking just at the gun or firearm related rate doesn't capture the issue. You need to look at the total homicide rate because part of the argument is that without guns people would just find another way.

And when you look at total homicide rates the United States does not have the highest total homicide rate among developed countries. And it sure as hell doesn't come anywhere close to having the highest total homicide rate among all countries.

The highest homicide rate among all countries belongs to Honduras. It's 82.1 per 100,000 people. The United States total homicide rate is 4.74 per 100,000. Gun ownership rates? Honduras 6.2 per 100 people vs. United States 88.8 per 100 people. And it's not just comparing extremes like that. As I've written other threads, the correlation coefficient for gun ownership rate vs. total homicides is actually negative. Not "significant" either way. But it's a negative coefficient. Also even if you look at just "developed" countries the coefficient is not "significant." It's positive. But not "significant." There's not like this big obvious thing where one can say that higher gun ownership rate means more homicides.

The focus on guns is misdirected. Things might be different without guns. The ways in which people who wanted to kill would kill would change. But guns are clearly not the primary factor.

[JohnStOnge]

BTW, this is a good time to remind people of this:

The deadliest school massacre in U.S. history didn't involve guns.

On May 18, 1927, a bomb destroyed the Bath Consolidated School in Bath, Michigan. Forty-four people, including 38 students, were killed. The bomb was planted by a local school board member.

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news ... 338847002/

Same kind of thing is true, to my knowledge, of the two greatest mass murders in general in US history. The biggest was the 9-11 thing with the box cutters and the airplanes. The second biggest was the Oklahoma City fertilizer bomb.

If someone wants to kill a lot of people chances are they are going to figure out a way to kill a lot of people. They may have to adopt a strategy by which they kill them over an extended time period rather than in a few minutes. They may have to use a bomb instead of a gun. But the problem really is associated with people. Guns, again, are just tools.

[CID1990]

Amending the Constitution isn’t minutiae

pfft...

Like that's going to happen
There's way too much money in the 2nd amendment business

We're just as likely to see Senate members healthcare revoked as we are an amended 2nd
The gun debate in this country is like a license to print money

Well then

Show me a law that will stop school shootings without running afoul of the 2nd Amendment and maybe there will be something to debate

[Col Hogan]

pfft...

Like that's going to happen
There's way too much money in the 2nd amendment business

We're just as likely to see Senate members healthcare revoked as we are an amended 2nd
The gun debate in this country is like a license to print money

Well then

Show me a law that will stop school shootings without running afoul of the 2nd Amendment and maybe there will be something to debate

There are laws that can be changed that won’t run afoul with the 2nd Amendment That could put a serious dent into the possibility of school shootings...but liberals won’t allow them to move forward...

Israel has school security ideas we could follow that would put a serious dent into school shootings...but liberals won’t allow them to move forward...

[kalm]

Holy shit are you guys getting easier to trigger these days.

Just joshin’...punch on the shoulder...

[kalm]

Well then

Show me a law that will stop school shootings without running afoul of the 2nd Amendment and maybe there will be something to debate

There are laws that can be changed that won’t run afoul with the 2nd Amendment That could put a serious dent into the possibility of school shootings...but liberals won’t allow them to move forward...

Israel has school security ideas we could follow that would put a serious dent into school shootings...but liberals won’t allow them to move forward...

I’m a liberal and I’m interested.