Persons v. Citizens

[Gil Dobie]

To a degree. Too much open mindedness isn't the best either.

Especially in a leadership position. In that case I'm pro-authoritarian.

I've been told, if you mind is too open, your brains fall out,

There is an even keel somewhere out there, that works fine.

[CAA Flagship]

I just can't believe you've already given up your charade that nobody believed anyway. Just 14 months into Trump's incredible tenure in office.

What charade?

I’m a post partisan liberal (as defined) who voted for Johnson the last two elections and hasn’t voted for a candidate from either major party for national office in quite some time. I’m socially libertarian and find myself warming to fiscal libertarianism with each passing year.

I am America, stripped of political tribalism...

You’re obviously confused.

Bless your heart.

[89Hen]

You're the one who said you were a liberal. Don't get mad at me Kalmrade.

Yeah...and?

Now I know you’re confused.

But I’m never mad at any of you spectacular bastards.

You're just not a good fisherman. It's like you're too sympathetic to the fish.

[css75]

In some cases open mindedness equals vacancy


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What's wrong with vacancy?

Nothing there but air.


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[kalm]

Yeah...and?

Now I know you’re confused.

But I’m never mad at any of you spectacular bastards.

You're just not a good fisherman. It's like you're too sympathetic to the fish.

Submission accepted.

[OL FU]

Hey klam ... this isn’t AGS

Remember the persona you are trying to maintain here

Huh? If I'm any different on AGS it's simply an adjustment to the level of right wing retardedness over there which is quite impressive.

I've been winning this argument for years here. This is just more proof.

Has it got anything to do with a mixed economy?

[kalm]

Huh? If I'm any different on AGS it's simply an adjustment to the level of right wing retardedness over there which is quite impressive.

I've been winning this argument for years here. This is just more proof.

Has it got anything to do with a mixed economy?

You paid attention!

Truisms that send conks into a tizzy:

Americans poll significantly more progressive than how they are represented.

Political outcomes are almost exclusively about money rather than ideas and what constituents want.

The U.S. is a mixed economy.

[CAA Flagship]

Has it got anything to do with a mixed economy?

You paid attention!

Truisms that send conks into a tizzy:

Americans poll significantly more progressive than how they are represented.

Political outcomes are almost exclusively about money rather than ideas and what constituents want.

The U.S. is a mixed economy.

Order of what is important:

1. Economy/Jobs
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. Anything else starts here.

[kalm]

You paid attention!

Truisms that send conks into a tizzy:

Americans poll significantly more progressive than how they are represented.

Political outcomes are almost exclusively about money rather than ideas and what constituents want.

The U.S. is a mixed economy.

Order of what is important:

1. Economy/Jobs
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. Anything else starts here.

You must be a HUGE Obama fan...

[Grizalltheway]

Order of what is important:

1. Economy/Jobs
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. Anything else starts here.

You must be a HUGE Obama fan...

Silly kalm, don't you know our GDP would be $500 trillion if Obama hadn't been elected twice? It's science.

[JohnStOnge]

Hey klam ... this isn’t AGS

Remember the persona you are trying to maintain here

Huh? If I'm any different on AGS it's simply an adjustment to the level of right wing retardedness over there which is quite impressive.

I've been winning this argument for years here. This is just more proof.

I dunno. The way I've always thought of it is that corporations are composed of people. If you say corporations, for example, can't say whatever they want you are saying that the people that they are composed of can't say whatever they want. If you say corporations can't contribute what they want to political campaigns you are saying that the people that they are composed of can't say whatever they want.

[JohnStOnge]

You paid attention!

Truisms that send conks into a tizzy:

Americans poll significantly more progressive than how they are represented.

Political outcomes are almost exclusively about money rather than ideas and what constituents want.

The U.S. is a mixed economy.

Order of what is important:

1. Economy/Jobs
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. Anything else starts here.

I think you underestimate the impact of White Evangelical Christians. White Evangelical Christians, who were 26 percent of voters, voted for Trump by 80% to 16%. The other 74% of the population voted for Clinton by 60% to 34%.

White Evangelical Christians didn't vote that way because of the economy. They voted that way because of stuff like abortion and homosexual marriage.

[kalm]

Huh? If I'm any different on AGS it's simply an adjustment to the level of right wing retardedness over there which is quite impressive.

I've been winning this argument for years here. This is just more proof.

I dunno. The way I've always thought of it is that corporations are composed of people. If you say corporations, for example, can't say whatever they want you are saying that the people that they are composed of can't say whatever they want. If you say corporations can't contribute what they want to political campaigns you are saying that the people that they are composed of can't say whatever they want.

That would make more sense if corporations and their campaign spending was purely democratic.

[css75]

Order of what is important:

1. Economy/Jobs
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. Anything else starts here.

I think you underestimate the impact of White Evangelical Christians. White Evangelical Christians, who were 26 percent of voters, voted for Trump by 80% to 16%. The other 74% of the population voted for Clinton by 60% to 34%.

White Evangelical Christians didn't vote that way because of the economy. They voted that way because of stuff like abortion and homosexual marriage.

So now an atheist or agnostic depending on the day, is now an expert on Evangelical voting trends.


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[Chizzang]

This thread...

[Winterborn]

I think you underestimate the impact of White Evangelical Christians. White Evangelical Christians, who were 26 percent of voters, voted for Trump by 80% to 16%. The other 74% of the population voted for Clinton by 60% to 34%.

White Evangelical Christians didn't vote that way because of the economy. They voted that way because of stuff like abortion and homosexual marriage.

So now an atheist or agnostic depending on the day, is now an expert on Evangelical voting trends.


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Well he does live with one so that should count in some manner shouldn't it.

[Ibanez]

This thread...

Do you have a 60 page thesis you care to share to show us plebeians where we are wrong?

[GannonFan]

I think Thom Hartmann was the first to uncover this history and now The Atlantic does a solid follow up.

Corporations as people is a legal fiction. Always has been. Why would the lead attorney, CONKling be so deceitful? The answer might be in the name...



http://theatln.tc/2FURRY5

Interesting read, but not exactly historically correct. Corporate personhood had been bandied about at least a century before Conkling and the Southern Pacific case (the article is at least correct that that case was the first to bring in the 14th amendment - of course, it was the first case of its kind since the 14th amendment was passed so that's more likely). Articles like this love to bring up colorful historical characters like Conkling since the Gilded Age was such a fun time of ethic-less (as compared to today) behavior that it makes for great reading. Accuracy and the foundation of their point being less of a concern.

There was already corporate personhood being developed in British Common Law prior to the Revolution, and then the Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward in 1818 developed it further. Granted, every case expands it further and further, but this idea that corporations would be treated under the law like people didn't pop into existence in 1886, it was just one more step in defining it as we know it today. But like I said, why worry about details when we live in the era of Trump and everyone starts lying to a certain extent?

[CAA Flagship]

This thread...

Do you have a 60 page thesis you care to share to show us plebeians where we are wrong?

You dumbass, it's right there in the Barista Instruction Manual. Pay attention.

[HI54UNI]

Order of what is important:

1. Economy/Jobs
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. Anything else starts here.

I think you underestimate the impact of White Evangelical Christians. White Evangelical Christians, who were 26 percent of voters, voted for Trump by 80% to 16%. The other 74% of the population voted for Clinton by 60% to 34%.

White Evangelical Christians didn't vote that way because of the economy. They voted that way because of stuff like abortion and homosexual marriage.

More proof your wife voted for Trump when she got in the voting booth.

[Chizzang]

This thread...

Do you have a 60 page thesis you care to share to show us plebeians where we are wrong?

Don't tempt me...

[andy7171]

What?

Liberals are open minded and like freedom. I like freedom and I even sometimes consider what you have to say.

Open minded and like freedom? Like telling everyone what to eat, drink, say and buy? Oh yeah, thats freedom.

[89Hen]

What?

Liberals are open minded and like freedom. I like freedom and I even sometimes consider what you have to say.

Open minded and like freedom? Like telling everyone what to eat, drink, say and buy? Oh yeah, thats freedom.

Good Lord Andrew, that bait was sitting out there for days.

[andy7171]

I still enjoy Cleets popping in randomly and looking down on us all.

[kalm]

Open minded and like freedom? Like telling everyone what to eat, drink, say and buy? Oh yeah, thats freedom.

Good Lord Andrew, that bait was sitting out there for days.

Im not sure you guys understand freedom.