Breaking: Maryland HS School Shooting

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:51 pm

Thank goodness we only have one school shooting a week now days...
otherwise it might appear as though we have a problem - to the uneducated observer

Post by **Col Hogan** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:23 pm

GannonFan wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: Then I think it's for the communities or states to decide. I'm not sure what the argument is for the federal government to interfere, either for arming or disarming schools.

That said, I'm fairly conservative when it comes to gun-rights, but I do think it benefits the nation for better background checks that take into account mental health issues, and restrictions in place for those who have these issues. I think that's one thing liberals, moderates, and conservatives can agree on.

And on a related note, I also think we need to VASTLY invest into the nation's mental health infrastructure.
I think the argument that some have is that "something" has to be done and any politician not doing "something" is failing.

Doesn't matter what level of government you're talking about. I think there's some validity to this as I think every level of government could be doing something - locally better secure schools (metal detectors, armed SRO's or local police), at the state level help support the local levels and help to close any reporting loopholes that allow people like the Parkland kid to remain free despite all the warning signs, and at the federal level coming up with a standard age of purchase and ensuring that the background system is far more reliable than it is today in terms of reporting into it.

Not tons of controversy in any of that, but partisans must be partisans and hence they're sure the other side is evil and not worthy of talking to.

I think EACH idea above is worth doing...new laws are not needed to do any of them, and no law abiding citizen is impacted negatively...

But that does not make Gun-grabbers happy...you have to ban something...

css75 · Post by **css75** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:38 pm

89Hen wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
There have been plenty of people saying armed personnel is schools is not part of any answer, let's be honest a little here.
This

This, the more responsible people armed the better.

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CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:47 pm

kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Then you've been ignoring a lot of people or fishing.

http://neatoday.org/2018/03/05/arming-teachers/
https://www.salon.com/2018/02/27/arming ... he-answer/
https://www.davisenterprise.com/forum/o ... he-answer/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... in-schools
http://nj1015.com/more-guns-in-schools- ... he-answer/
Nope.

1). Arming teachers is different than armed guards.

2). I don’t read liberal rags like the Guardian and Salon.

Says the guy who reads Rolling Stone and used to think RT was a legitimate news outlet

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CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:55 pm

Well one thing is certain

The anti-gun crowd went from "lets ban some guns" to "if you're against banning guns you are a murderer" just about as quickly as they pull out the Nazi card in an argument about ... pretty much anything...

I'd say that guarantees a couple things

No guns will be banned

AR-15s (and similar) sales are going to go through the roof

* Ain't it funny that the same people who say you can't deport 11 million people think they can disarm ten times that many?

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ALPHAGRIZ1 · Post by **ALPHAGRIZ1** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:58 pm

Its funny all the way around on any topic when listening to liberals who are uneducated and unable to deal with the real world. They have no tools, no skills and no way to take care of or defend themselves in society.

Its hilarious to watch

Post by **93henfan** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:01 pm

CID1990 wrote:Well one thing is certain

The anti-gun crowd went from "lets ban some guns" to "if you're against banning guns you are a murderer" just about as quickly as they pull out the Nazi card in an argument about ... pretty much anything...

I'd say that guarantees a couple things

No guns will be banned

AR-15s (and similar) sales are going to go through the roof

* Ain't it funny that the same people who say you can't deport 11 million people think they can disarm ten times that many?

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You mustn’t have followed gun sales lately. Yes, the first run on EBR’s under Trump is in week three.

Post by **kalm** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:01 pm

GannonFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Thank you. I still haven’t heard anyone on here or in person who’s against armed guards but I suppose there are a few.
While I'm sure you have quite the wide circle of friends, legitimately I do, the ratio of people who are not on this website and do not know you in person is far smaller than the people who fall outside of that delineation. As 89 has shown, there are indeed plenty of voices that have, since Parkland, advocated no guns in schools, by teachers and/or non-teaching personnel. To deny there are such voices is simply delusional, hence my "let's be honest" encouragement. If we're going to debate about this, let's at least approach it honestly.

And willful ignorance of the context of the debate is honest?

Reminder: This started with an 89 troll post to Dback and then you chimed in changing what Dback said. Again to clarify, I (honestly) hadn’t heard that 1) people were arguing against “tighter security” and 2) assumed that by “armed personnel” you were referring
to security personnel other than teachers.

I (honestly) hope this helps you out...

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Re: Breaking: Maryland HS School Shooting
Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:41 am
dbackjon wrote:
89Hen wrote:
Two students injured, shooter killed. This isn't going to sit well with the people saying tighter school security is not the answer.

No one has said tighter security isn't AN answer. The issue has to be attacked from multiple angles.

There have been plenty of people saying armed personnel is schools is not part of any answer, let's be honest a little here.

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:02 pm

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Its funny all the way around on any topic when listening to liberals who are uneducated and unable to deal with the real world. They have no tools, no skills and no way to take care of or defend themselves in society.

Its hilarious to watch

It's just damned miracle that anybody other than you is still alive out there in the world...

Post by **andy7171** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:19 pm

kalm wrote:
andy7171 wrote:Well, thank god its snowing in maryand today. Had the shooter survived he would have been easy to track down.

Thank you. All I need is for one person to get my humor.

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houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:06 pm

89Hen wrote:
houndawg wrote:

There are lots of people advocating heightened security at schools. There are very few advocating for arming union pinko teachers.
I thought you were here to help us. ****, you can't even help yourself.

Subtlety is so wasted on you. Don't even see the humor in the NRA calling for arming tens of thousands of union Democrats....

Casting my pearls before swine.

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:11 pm

Chizzang wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Its funny all the way around on any topic when listening to liberals who are uneducated and unable to deal with the real world. They have no tools, no skills and no way to take care of or defend themselves in society.

Its hilarious to watch
It's just damned miracle that anybody other than you is still alive out there in the world...

I don't think "alive" is quite the right word for him...

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:13 pm

Baldy wrote:
houndawg wrote:
It would lower the kills/event ratio down to something we could.....wait for it.........love with.

BDMBFK rides again....
But, this so-called "kills/event ratio" is much much MUCH higher with non AR-15 firearms.

Check your math, bombs don't count

ALPHAGRIZ1 · Post by **ALPHAGRIZ1** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:25 pm

Chizzang wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Its funny all the way around on any topic when listening to liberals who are uneducated and unable to deal with the real world. They have no tools, no skills and no way to take care of or defend themselves in society.

Its hilarious to watch
It's just damned miracle that anybody other than you is still alive out there in the world...

Its not a miracle, its orchestrated and executed

Post by **kalm** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:31 pm

CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Nope.

1). Arming teachers is different than armed guards.

2). I don’t read liberal rags like the Guardian and Salon.

Says the guy who reads Rolling Stone and used to think RT was a legitimate news outlet

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Thank you for reminding me. I didnt read RS much once the government killed off Michael Hastings and Taiibi left. Now that Taibbi is back I’ll start checking it out again.

∞∞∞ · Post by **∞∞∞** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:40 pm

Chizzang wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Its funny all the way around on any topic when listening to liberals who are uneducated and unable to deal with the real world. They have no tools, no skills and no way to take care of or defend themselves in society.

Its hilarious to watch
It's just damned miracle that anybody other than you is still alive out there in the world...

Amazing how we survive in the Northeast megalopolis and other densely populated American regions.

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:02 pm

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
It's just damned miracle that anybody other than you is still alive out there in the world...

Its not a miracle, its orchestrated and executed

The Lord...
(Dammit I knew it)

Jesus was a right wing radical isolationist too... It's right there in the Bible

Winterborn · Post by **Winterborn** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:13 pm

houndawg wrote:
89Hen wrote: I thought you were here to help us. ****, you can't even help yourself.
Subtlety is so wasted on you. Don't even see the humor in the NRA calling for arming tens of thousands of union Democrats....

Casting my pearls before swine.

That's a good comic!

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:03 pm

dbackjon wrote:
89Hen wrote:Two students injured, shooter killed. This isn't going to sit well with the people saying tighter school security is not the answer.

No one has said tighter security isn't AN answer. The issue has to be attacked from multiple angles.

Except this guy I’m friends with on FB who said he was against it because he “didn’t want to turn schools into prisons”....

Who was THAT guy, Jon?

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:29 am

I'm sure a law against anyone under 18 owning a handgun in Maryland would have prevented this shooting.

Post by **Col Hogan** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:56 am

Gil Dobie wrote:I'm sure a law against anyone under 18 owning a handgun in Maryland would have prevented this shooting.

Well, the current law that prevents anyone under 21 from owning a handgun didn’t stop it...and it’s illegal for anyone under 21 to get a concealed permit didn’t stop it...

I could go on, but BAN AR-15s NOW...

Post by **Ibanez** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:06 am

93henfan wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: I know it for a fact.

Mechanically the action on a handgun is shorter so it can cycle faster, throw 5 or 6 - 33 round mags in your back pocket and a handgun is superior weapon in closed quarters if you know what you are doing.
Exactly what I was going to say: An AR and a handgun in a school are almost a wash. You can throw a 30+ round mag (assuming Glock) in either. If you got rushed by some heroes, you might actually be even better off with the handgun for mobility purposes.

The AR is really designed for 50-300 yards. That’s where it shines.

I'm not much of a gun guy but isn't it accurate to say that in close quarters the handgun (or anything short barreled) is going to be your weapon of choice. In a school, the handgun has the advantage of quicker target acquisition over a rifle or anything with a longer barrel (this also depends on the distance between gun and target. I get if you're shooting down a hallway, then it's a moot point.)

Post by **93henfan** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:49 am

Ibanez wrote:
93henfan wrote:
Exactly what I was going to say: An AR and a handgun in a school are almost a wash. You can throw a 30+ round mag (assuming Glock) in either. If you got rushed by some heroes, you might actually be even better off with the handgun for mobility purposes.

The AR is really designed for 50-300 yards. That’s where it shines.
I'm not much of a gun guy but isn't it accurate to say that in close quarters the handgun (or anything short barreled) is going to be your weapon of choice. In a school, the handgun has the advantage of quicker target acquisition over a rifle or anything with a longer barrel (this also depends on the distance between gun and target. I get if you're shooting down a hallway, then it's a moot point.)

Yes. Closer quarters, shorter barrel. That's why the Army went from M16 to M4. They anticipated more MOUT. M4 is a compromise for knocking down doors but also being able to shoot down the street.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:29 am

kalm wrote:Reminder: This started with an 89 troll post to Dback

You are just getting clobbered in this thread. You need to stop.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:32 am

houndawg wrote:
89Hen wrote: I thought you were here to help us. ****, you can't even help yourself.
Subtlety is so wasted on you. Don't even see the humor in the NRA calling for arming tens of thousands of union Democrats....

Casting my pearls before swine.

I appreciate humor. You are neither humorous nor subtle nor accurate nor logical on this thread.