Breaking: Maryland HS School Shooting

[houndawg]

Good point.





That must why the armed personnel at Parkland cowered in their shoes outside with their better weapons.

Not because of inferior weapons, but because they were cowards.

You really think that? I think that unless they're all in one classroom the AR has a prohibitive advantage

[Col Hogan]

Not because of inferior weapons, but because they were cowards.

You really think that? I think that unless they're all in one classroom the AR has a prohibitive advantage

You know, just because you keep saying that,, doesn’t make it true....

A basically trained cop with a patrol sidearm...generally a 9mm in most cities with a 15 or 17 round mag, and wearing standard body armor, has a tactical advantage over a pimply 19 year old who has only shot at paper until that moment...

[houndawg]

You really think that? I think that unless they're all in one classroom the AR has a prohibitive advantage

You know, just because you keep saying that,, doesn’t make it true....

A basically trained cop with a patrol sidearm...generally a 9mm in most cities with a 15 or 17 round mag, and wearing standard body armor, has a tactical advantage over a pimply 19 year old who has only shot at paper until that moment...

Out to what range?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

You know, just because you keep saying that,, doesn’t make it true....

A basically trained cop with a patrol sidearm...generally a 9mm in most cities with a 15 or 17 round mag, and wearing standard body armor, has a tactical advantage over a pimply 19 year old who has only shot at paper until that moment...

Out to what range?

In a school? I would bet you most schools have no place you could shoot more than 20-30 yards

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[houndawg]

Out to what range?

In a school? I would bet you most schools have no place you could shoot more than 20-30 yards

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Most schools have hallways and buildings longer than that, and at 20-30 yards I'd still rather have the AR. Stays on target easier when you shoot fast. Now if you get into 20-30 ft range that's different.

[CID1990]

If past school shootings are to be used as examples, just the mere engagement by police (or threat of engagement) will generally result in either the suicide, flight, or death of the shooter at the hands of the police. It ultimately doesn't matter what the police are using or what the shooter is using.

[houndawg]

I'm sure a law against anyone under 18 owning a handgun in Maryland would have prevented this shooting.

Well, the current law that prevents anyone under 21 from owning a handgun didn’t stop it...and it’s illegal for anyone under 21 to get a concealed permit didn’t stop it...

I could go on, but BAN AR-15s NOW...

No semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines available to civilians, pistol magazine limit of six rounds.

[houndawg]

If past school shootings are to be used as examples, just the mere engagement by police (or threat of engagement) will generally result in either the suicide, flight, or death of the shooter at the hands of the police. It ultimately doesn't matter what the police are using or what the shooter is using.

True in general for schools, maybe, Parkland being an exception, but if you include non-school incidents there have been several shooters taken alive.

[AZGrizFan]

If past school shootings are to be used as examples, just the mere engagement by police (or threat of engagement) will generally result in either the suicide, flight, or death of the shooter at the hands of the police. It ultimately doesn't matter what the police are using or what the shooter is using.

True in general for schools, maybe, Parkland being an exception, but if you include non-school incidents there have been several shooters taken alive.

Well isn’t it the poor children we’re thinking of here? Don’t change the argument...

[AZGrizFan]

In a school? I would bet you most schools have no place you could shoot more than 20-30 yards

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Most schools have hallways and buildings longer than that, and at 20-30 yards I'd still rather have the AR. Stays on target easier when you shoot fast. Now if you get into 20-30 ft range that's different.

Really? I can get off 10 rounds in 10 seconds at 25 yards and cover them all with a dinner plate. With a 9mm. Changing clips after 5 rounds. MUCH rather have a handgun in an enclosed space over any rifle. Semi auto or not.

[CID1990]

If past school shootings are to be used as examples, just the mere engagement by police (or threat of engagement) will generally result in either the suicide, flight, or death of the shooter at the hands of the police. It ultimately doesn't matter what the police are using or what the shooter is using.

True in general for schools, maybe, Parkland being an exception, but if you include non-school incidents there have been several shooters taken alive.

I'm just talking about school active shooters (and the profile of a school shooter thus far)


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[houndawg]

Most schools have hallways and buildings longer than that, and at 20-30 yards I'd still rather have the AR. Stays on target easier when you shoot fast. Now if you get into 20-30 ft range that's different.

Really? I can get off 10 rounds in 10 seconds at 25 yards and cover them all with a dinner plate. With a 9mm. Changing clips after 5 rounds. MUCH rather have a handgun in an enclosed space over any rifle. Semi auto or not.

The average school shooter can't do that, or probably the average cop either. There are two hallways at the local high school my kids attended that are well over 200 feet long.

[BDKJMU]

Really? I can get off 10 rounds in 10 seconds at 25 yards and cover them all with a dinner plate. With a 9mm. Changing clips after 5 rounds. MUCH rather have a handgun in an enclosed space over any rifle. Semi auto or not.

The average school shooter can't do that, or probably the average cop either. There are two hallways at the local high school my kids attended that are well over 200 feet long.

69.3 yards. Damn, those are longer hallways than I’ve ever seen in a school.

[CID1990]

We use to game out active shooter scenarios with simunitions in Charleston area high schools. I'm sure CPD still does it. The three that I went through had several very long hallways. Longer than effective handgun range, for sure. But there was cover all along them so even when we had one of our shooters with a long gun, we weren't sitting ducks while trying to engage.

[GannonFan]

The high school where we live, just built ten years ago, has a massively long hallway - runs the whole length of the school - probably at least 300 yards, and it's at least 20 ft wide. But there are lots of big spaces that are right off of the main hallway - auditorium, cafeteria, gyms, the swimming pool, etc. But most of the other hallways, including where the classroom part of the building is, are much smaller, couldn't be more than 30 yards or so, and are narrower.

[Col Hogan]

The high school where we live, just built ten years ago, has a massively long hallway - runs the whole length of the school - probably at least 300 yards, and it's at least 20 ft wide. But there are lots of big spaces that are right off of the main hallway - auditorium, cafeteria, gyms, the swimming pool, etc. But most of the other hallways, including where the classroom part of the building is, are much smaller, couldn't be more than 30 yards or so, and are narrower.

300 YARDS...as long as three football fields???

[GannonFan]

The high school where we live, just built ten years ago, has a massively long hallway - runs the whole length of the school - probably at least 300 yards, and it's at least 20 ft wide. But there are lots of big spaces that are right off of the main hallway - auditorium, cafeteria, gyms, the swimming pool, etc. But most of the other hallways, including where the classroom part of the building is, are much smaller, couldn't be more than 30 yards or so, and are narrower.

300 YARDS...as long as three football fields???

At least 200 yards - one retrospect I'd say between 200 and 250 yards - it's a big high school and that hallway runs the entire length. The football stadium is parallel to the school and the school is easily twice the length of the field so it's an easy comparison.

[89Hen]

You are just getting clobbered in this thread. You need to stop.

Ooopsie!

Overwhelming majority approve of armed guards.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... USKBN1GY15

More of me winning...

Page not found. Fake news.

[houndawg]

The average school shooter can't do that, or probably the average cop either. There are two hallways at the local high school my kids attended that are well over 200 feet long.

69.3 yards. Damn, those are longer hallways than I’ve ever seen in a school.

More than coincidence...? I'm guessing the school you went to had one room and a wood stove.

[Gil Dobie]

69.3 yards. Damn, those are longer hallways than I’ve ever seen in a school.

More than coincidence...? I'm guessing the school you went to had one room and a wood stove.

Is there a problem with where people come from?

[houndawg]

The high school where we live, just built ten years ago, has a massively long hallway - runs the whole length of the school - probably at least 300 yards, and it's at least 20 ft wide. But there are lots of big spaces that are right off of the main hallway - auditorium, cafeteria, gyms, the swimming pool, etc. But most of the other hallways, including where the classroom part of the building is, are much smaller, couldn't be more than 30 yards or so, and are narrower.

300 YARDS...as long as three football fields???

More like 2 and a half... a football field is 120 yards long.

[houndawg]

We use to game out active shooter scenarios with simunitions in Charleston area high schools. I'm sure CPD still does it. The three that I went through had several very long hallways. Longer than effective handgun range, for sure. But there was cover all along them so even when we had one of our shooters with a long gun, we weren't sitting ducks while trying to engage.

If you got off a lucky shot would a 9mm to the chest drop somebody at 100 yards?

[houndawg]

More than coincidence...? I'm guessing the school you went to had one room and a wood stove.

Is there a problem with where people come from?

Not sure what your point is - I was calling him old..?

[AZGrizFan]

We use to game out active shooter scenarios with simunitions in Charleston area high schools. I'm sure CPD still does it. The three that I went through had several very long hallways. Longer than effective handgun range, for sure. But there was cover all along them so even when we had one of our shooters with a long gun, we weren't sitting ducks while trying to engage.

If you got off a lucky shot would a 9mm to the chest drop somebody at 100 yards?

Let's try it.

You be the target. I'll be the shooter.

[Col Hogan]

We use to game out active shooter scenarios with simunitions in Charleston area high schools. I'm sure CPD still does it. The three that I went through had several very long hallways. Longer than effective handgun range, for sure. But there was cover all along them so even when we had one of our shooters with a long gun, we weren't sitting ducks while trying to engage.

If you got off a lucky shot would a 9mm to the chest drop somebody at 100 yards?

According to the chart on the attached page, at 100 feet a typical 9mm round would be traveling 959mph...

Yea, I think it would drop you...

http://gundata.org/blog/post/9mm-ballistics-chart/