Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[Skjellyfetti]

None related to "illegal spying on Trump."

[JohnStOnge]

I think that is probably a whack job conspiracy theory thing and you are waiting in vain. But we'll see.

You do know there have been around 10 people from the FBI and DOJ that have either been demoted, fired or reassigned don't you? It may all wash out as bullshit, but what I think it will point out is the disparity in how our elected officials are treated versus the even wealthy average Joe.

I haven't seen anything at all to suggest there was illegal spying on Trump. There was that thing in the House Intelligence Committee that alleged that because the FBI got a FISA warrant on Carter Page. But Carter Page wasn't even with the Trump campaign at the time.

I'm just not seeing it.

[Skjellyfetti]

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's investigation just drew what appears to be its most direct line to date between President Trump's 2016 campaign and Russia.

That line is drawn in a new court filing related to the upcoming sentencing of London attorney Alex van der Zwaan. Van der Zwaan has pleaded guilty to lying about his contacts with deputy Trump campaign manager Rick Gates and a person identified in the document only as "Person A." Person A appears to be a former Ukraine-based aide to Gates and former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort named Konstantin Kilimnik.

Here's the paragraph:

Fourth, the lies and withholding of documents were material to the Special Counsel’s Office’s investigation. That Gates and Person A were directly communicating in September and October 2016 was pertinent to the investigation. Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agents assisting the Special Counsel’s Office assess that Person A has ties to Russian intelligence service and had such ties in 2016. During his first interview with the Special Counsel’s Office, van der Zwaan admitted that he knew of that connection, stating that Gates told him Person A was a former Russian Intelligence Officer with GRU.

That Person A has had ties to Russian intelligence is not terribly surprising. Kilimnik's personal history has been examined extensively by the media, including The Washington Post. He has denied being involved in Russian intelligence, but he served in the Russian military and attended a Russian military foreign language university that is seen as a breeding ground for intelligence agents.

What's particularly significant in the Mueller filing, though, are six words: “and had such ties in 2016.” Prosecutors have said previously that a longtime Manafort and Gates associate had ties to Russian intelligence, but they have never said those ties remained during the 2016 campaign. In December, they said this associate was “a longtime Russian colleague . . . who is currently based in Russia and assessed to have ties to a Russian intelligence service.” Why those six words were added in this filing when they didn't appear in the previous filing is the $64,000 question.

As Philip Bump details here, this is hardly the first public indication of a link between the Trump campaign and Russia, but it is the closest connection Mueller has made in a filing to this point. Mueller hasn't weighed in on the alleged Kremlin ties of the Russian lawyer Donald Trump Jr. met with, for instance, nor has he filed anything involving Roger Stone's contacts with hackers who have been linked to Russia.

The other new piece here is that Mueller's team says Gates described Person A (again, apparently Kilimnik) as “a former Russian Intelligence Officer with GRU.” (GRU is Russia's military intelligence organization.) So according to van der Zwaan, Gates talked openly about Person A's ties to Russian intelligence. Kilimnik told The Post in June that he has “no relation to the Russian or any other intelligence service.” Mueller is now apparently directly disputing that using Gates's own words, via van der Zwaan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... 39f33f7bf0

[BDKJMU]

So now we have:
-In early march on British soil, Russian attempts to assasinate former Russian double agent and now British citizen Sergei Skripal. with Russian-developed nerve agent Novichok. Skripal still in critical condition. His 33 year old daughter no longer is.
https://www.delmarvanow.com/story/news/ ... 469701002/
-U.S., NATO and 25 allies including Germany and France expelled more than 150 Russian diplomats this week in support of the U.K. (60 were from the US).
-Russia expelling 60 U.S. diplomats (58 from the Moscow embassy & 2 at the U.S. consulate in Ekaterinburg) and closing the US consulate in St. Petersburg and will retaliate in kind to other countries that ousted its envoys.

[CID1990]

Just wait until Pooty Poot produces all that kompromat he has on Trump

we'll be doing his bidding

any day now


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[Ivytalk]

Just wait until Pooty Poot produces all that kompromat he has on Trump

we'll be doing his bidding

any day now


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Really. Any day now. Any day...

[SeattleGriz]

I think that is probably a whack job conspiracy theory thing and you are waiting in vain. But we'll see.

You do know there have been around 10 people from the FBI and DOJ that have either been demoted, fired or reassigned don't you? It may all wash out as bullshit, but what I think it will point out is the disparity in how our elected officials are treated versus the even wealthy average Joe.

You do know there have been around 10 people from the FBI and DOJ that have either been demoted, fired or reassigned don't you? It may all wash out as bullshit, but what I think it will point out is the disparity in how our elected officials are treated versus the even wealthy average Joe.

I haven't seen anything at all to suggest there was illegal spying on Trump. There was that thing in the House Intelligence Committee that alleged that because the FBI got a FISA warrant on Carter Page. But Carter Page wasn't even with the Trump campaign at the time.

I'm just not seeing it.

There more than just the House Committee. Supposedly in April, the Inspector General will be releasing his report on the abuses.

And you do know that getting FISA approval allowed them to listen in on anyone who was in Page's circle, which includes Trump.

[BDKJMU]

So now we have:
-In early march on British soil, Russian attempts to assasinate former Russian double agent and now British citizen Sergei Skripal. with Russian-developed nerve agent Novichok. Skripal still in critical condition. His 33 year old daughter no longer is.
https://www.delmarvanow.com/story/news/ ... 469701002/
-U.S., NATO and 25 allies including Germany and France expelled more than 150 Russian diplomats this week in support of the U.K. (60 were from the US).
-Russia expelling 60 U.S. diplomats (58 from the Moscow embassy & 2 at the U.S. consulate in Ekaterinburg) and closing the US consulate in St. Petersburg and will retaliate in kind to other countries that ousted its envoys.

Forgot to include the 2nd link:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... atory-move

[Skjellyfetti]

There more than just the House Committee. Supposedly in April, the Inspector General will be releasing his report on the abuses.

Yeah. We'll see if the IG finds a Grand Conspiracy in the DOJ. He'll definitely find wrongdoing and breaking DOJ policy - mostly related to 2016 campaign (Comey's press conference and letter). But, I don't think anything at the level you're hoping for. But, we'll see.

And you do know that getting FISA approval allowed them to listen in on anyone who was in Page's circle, which includes Trump.

I definitely hadn't heard this.

They could intercept any phone calls between Page and people 'in his circle' he's calling. If he left the campaign and was as unimportant as the campaign makes him out to be - that wouldn't be very many calls. Certainly not with Trump.

My guess is that's what you're thinking? If a FISA warrant on a person includes surveillance on everyone 'within their circle' - that would be a Yuge problem. But, I doubt that's the case.

[CAA Flagship]

Just checking in. Have they found evidence of collusion with the Russians yet?

[Skjellyfetti]

Evidence? Yeah.

Proof? No.

[Chizzang]

Just checking in. Have they found evidence of collusion with the Russians yet?

In the NFL they use the term:
"More likely than not" in situations such as these



Trump will be getting a 4 game suspension (just watch)

[89Hen]

Just checking in. Have they found evidence of collusion with the Russians yet?

In the NFL they use the term:
"More likely than not" in situations such as these



Trump will be getting a 4 game suspension (just watch)

[Skjellyfetti]

Trump ally detained, served with Mueller subpoena at Boston airport

A professor and author who once presented himself as a possible Trump administration ambassador to the European Union was detained and questioned by the FBI at Boston Logan airport and served a subpoena from Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is probing possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.

Ted Malloch said in an emailed statement to NBC News that he was flying from his home in the U.K. via Boston to Cleveland, Ohio to celebrate Easter when he was stopped Wednesday, an incident first reported by the Guardian.

NBC News has independently confirmed that Malloch was detained and questioned at the airport, but not the details of the encounter.

According to Malloch, when he exited his flight from London he was taken aside by a TSA official and an FBI agent, and separated from his wife.

Malloch said two FBI agents then told him he was being detained to answer questions related to the special counsel's investigation.

He said they told him it was a felony to lie to the FBI and he told them he would "gladly" cooperate with them. According to Malloch, the agents also produced a document allowing them to seize and search his cellphone.

At first, said Malloch, the agents questioned him about his career, showed him a color photograph of himself, and asked about his affection for the Philadelphia Eagles.

Then, said Malloch, "The questions got more detailed about my involvement in the Trump campaign (which was informal and unpaid); whom I communicated with; whom I knew and how well — they had a long list of names."

He said they asked him about former Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone, author Jerome Corsi and WikiLeaks. Malloch said he told them he met Stone a total of three times and always with groups of people, and that Corsi had helped edit one of his books years ago.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... rt-n861456

[CID1990]

Evidence? Yeah.

Proof? No.

Evidence of collusion?

Really

Do tell

[Ivytalk]

In the NFL they use the term:
"More likely than not" in situations such as these



Trump will be getting a 4 game suspension (just watch)

“With the 32nd pick of the 2018 NFL draft, the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles select...”

[SeattleGriz]

There more than just the House Committee. Supposedly in April, the Inspector General will be releasing his report on the abuses.

Yeah. We'll see if the IG finds a Grand Conspiracy in the DOJ. He'll definitely find wrongdoing and breaking DOJ policy - mostly related to 2016 campaign (Comey's press conference and letter). But, I don't think anything at the level you're hoping for. But, we'll see.

And you do know that getting FISA approval allowed them to listen in on anyone who was in Page's circle, which includes Trump.

I definitely hadn't heard this.

They could intercept any phone calls between Page and people 'in his circle' he's calling. If he left the campaign and was as unimportant as the campaign makes him out to be - that wouldn't be very many calls. Certainly not with Trump.

My guess is that's what you're thinking? If a FISA warrant on a person includes surveillance on everyone 'within their circle' - that would be a Yuge problem. But, I doubt that's the case.

Yes on your Page statement. The only part I think your missing is that the FISA warrants we're renewed three additional times on Page, for a whole period of 360 days of surveillance. Much longer opportunity to listen in on Trump than just the time Page worked for him.

I find it interesting that apparently the FBI used Page as an informant on Russian matters before Trump and then felt he was a spy a couple years later.

Seems Page was more the gateway to gaining access to Trump.

But, and that's a big but, I'll go with my belief when this all started. Nobody is going to jail that is of any significance.

[kalm]

Yeah. We'll see if the IG finds a Grand Conspiracy in the DOJ. He'll definitely find wrongdoing and breaking DOJ policy - mostly related to 2016 campaign (Comey's press conference and letter). But, I don't think anything at the level you're hoping for. But, we'll see.



I definitely hadn't heard this.

They could intercept any phone calls between Page and people 'in his circle' he's calling. If he left the campaign and was as unimportant as the campaign makes him out to be - that wouldn't be very many calls. Certainly not with Trump.

My guess is that's what you're thinking? If a FISA warrant on a person includes surveillance on everyone 'within their circle' - that would be a Yuge problem. But, I doubt that's the case.

Yes on your Page statement. The only part I think your missing is that the FISA warrants we're renewed three additional times on Page, for a whole period of 360 days of surveillance. Much longer opportunity to listen in on Trump than just the time Page worked for him.

I find it interesting that apparently the FBI used Page as an informant on Russian matters before Trump and then felt he was a spy a couple years later.

Seems Page was more the gateway to gaining access to Trump.

But, and that's a big but, I'll go with my belief when this all started. Nobody is going to jail that is of any significance.

A former presidential campaign manager and a former national security advisor are insignificant?

[kalm]

Evidence? Yeah.

Proof? No.

Evidence of collusion?

Really

Do tell

Define evidence.

[SeattleGriz]

Yes on your Page statement. The only part I think your missing is that the FISA warrants we're renewed three additional times on Page, for a whole period of 360 days of surveillance. Much longer opportunity to listen in on Trump than just the time Page worked for him.

I find it interesting that apparently the FBI used Page as an informant on Russian matters before Trump and then felt he was a spy a couple years later.

Seems Page was more the gateway to gaining access to Trump.

But, and that's a big but, I'll go with my belief when this all started. Nobody is going to jail that is of any significance.

A former presidential campaign manager and a former national security advisor are insignificant?

I would be shocked if Flynn's case didn't get dropped. Too much wierdness with Contreras recusing himself because he knew FBI agent Strzok AND the fact the new judge has ordered Mueller to turn over all documents that may help Flynn, to his attornies.

As for Manafort, they better fucking throw Podesta in jail with him, he was lobbying right beside him in the Ukraine.

Funny how Podesta filed paperwork he hadn't in years right before the indictments on Manafort. It's almost as if he was tipped off.

[kalm]

A former presidential campaign manager and a former national security advisor are insignificant?

I would be shocked if Flynn's case didn't get dropped. Too much wierdness with Contreras recusing himself because he knew FBI agent Strzok AND the fact the new judge has ordered Mueller to turn over all documents that may help Flynn, to his attornies.

As for Manafort, they better fucking throw Podesta in jail with him, he was lobbying right beside him in the Ukraine.

Funny how Podesta filed paperwork he hadn't in years right before the indictments on Manafort. It's almost as if he was tipped off.

So "discovery" and "but Obama/Clinton"?

[SeattleGriz]

I would be shocked if Flynn's case didn't get dropped. Too much wierdness with Contreras recusing himself because he knew FBI agent Strzok AND the fact the new judge has ordered Mueller to turn over all documents that may help Flynn, to his attornies.

As for Manafort, they better fucking throw Podesta in jail with him, he was lobbying right beside him in the Ukraine.

Funny how Podesta filed paperwork he hadn't in years right before the indictments on Manafort. It's almost as if he was tipped off.

So "discovery" and "but Obama/Clinton"?

Discovery or pardon if Flynn goes.

And

Jail, but really reduced. Manafort wasn't doing anything different than all the other people he deals with on a daily basis and is standard DC practice.

This is what we all know to be true. People can't believe McCabe lost his pension even though it is now being said he lied on four occasions and Flynn faces jail even though the field agents interviewing him didn't feel he was trying to mislead them.

[SeattleGriz]

Interesting note on the judge who told Meuller to hand over documents. He was the judge who later found out evelidence had been withheld on Ted Stevens (Alaska senator) in his case.

[Skjellyfetti]

Evidence? Yeah.

Proof? No.

Evidence of collusion?

Really

Do tell

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump—helped along by Aras and Emin.

Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

Best,

Don

Papadopoulos's knowledge of Russian hacked emails before they were released.

Stone having a "backchannel" (his words) to Wikileaks - and "it soon will be Podesta's time in the barrel."

It's not proof. But, it's evidence.

[CID1990]

Evidence of collusion?

Really

Do tell

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump—helped along by Aras and Emin.

Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

Best,

Don

Papadopoulos's knowledge of Russian hacked emails before they were released.

Stone having a "backchannel" (his words) to Wikileaks - and "it soon will be Podesta's time in the barrel."

It's not proof. But, it's evidence.

No, it is not evidence of collusion with Russia to throw the election.

It is evidence of Papadopoulos knowing about hacked emails before they were released.

Is that collusion? Or are we about to take a stab at redefining collusion ?