Migrant Caravan

[CID1990]

So .... is there anybody here advocating that they should be allowed in?

[Ibanez]

So .... is there anybody here advocating that they should be allowed in?

Process them in accordance with our laws.

[∞∞∞]

So .... is there anybody here advocating that they should be allowed in?

I'm fine with it. It's our lawful obligation to process asylum-seekers and allow them to make their case.

And instead of chasing them around in the desert, they're fully documented and legally here until their argument is heard. Regardless of the situation, a fully documented asylum-seeker is better than an illegal immigrant which we know nothing about.

If they don't show up, ICE should have full authority to seek them out.

[93henfan]

We should Highway 80 them. Quick, painless, compassionate, persuasive.

[HI54UNI]

So .... is there anybody here advocating that they should be allowed in?

They should not be allowed in. If they are seeking asylum like they claim it should be in the neighboring country, i.e. Mexico.

[∞∞∞]

So .... is there anybody here advocating that they should be allowed in?

They should not be allowed in. If they are seeking asylum like they claim it should be in the neighboring country, i.e. Mexico.

Put yourself in an asylum-seeker's mindset. If you're trying to start a new life from scratch, where would you go? The country with rampant corruption, violence, and economic issues; or the country with a strong economy, a fair political system, and a history of welcoming immigrants?

[BDKJMU]

So .... is there anybody here advocating that they should be allowed in?

They should not be allowed in. If they are seeking asylum like they claim it should be in the neighboring country, i.e. Mexico.

Agreed. Their asylum claims are bogus. Don't let them in.

[89Hen]

Regardless of the situation, a fully documented asylum-seeker is better than an illegal immigrant which we know nothing about.

Fully documented in what way? Serious question.

[∞∞∞]

They should not be allowed in. If they are seeking asylum like they claim it should be in the neighboring country, i.e. Mexico.

Agreed. Their asylum claims are bogus. Don't let them in.

Thankfully you're not a judge.

You have to let the law play out - both domestic laws and our international agreements. Instead of simply dismissing the claims are bogus without due process, each individual gets a chance to make their case.

Then it can be decided if the claim is bogus (or not).

[93henfan]

Put yourself in an asylum-seeker's mindset. If you're trying to start a new life from scratch, where would you go? The country with rampant corruption, violence, and economic issues; or the country with a strong economy, a fair political system, and a history of welcoming immigrants?

Conversely, why would you let people into your strong economy and fair political system who have zero skills and are the descendants of those who willingly allowed their countries to become corrupt, violent, and poor?

At some point, the US has to stop being the giant teat for the world. Let the self-perceived superior socialist people of Europe take these folks on. Airfare is cheap.

[∞∞∞]

Regardless of the situation, a fully documented asylum-seeker is better than an illegal immigrant which we know nothing about.

Fully documented in what way? Serious question.

If an individual gets to the border and claims asylum, they're interviewed, processed, fingerprinted, documented, and their case given to a judge.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu ... um-process

[CAA Flagship]

[93henfan]

The sheriff is near!

[89Hen]

Fully documented in what way? Serious question.

If an individual gets to the border and claims asylum, they're interviewed, processed, fingerprinted, documented, and their case given to a judge.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu ... um-process

But we glean nothing of their past with that process, unless they had previously been in the US and were on record for something. So how is that an improvement?

[∞∞∞]

Put yourself in an asylum-seeker's mindset. If you're trying to start a new life from scratch, where would you go? The country with rampant corruption, violence, and economic issues; or the country with a strong economy, a fair political system, and a history of welcoming immigrants?

Conversely, why would you let people into your strong economy and fair political system who have zero skills and are the descendants of those who willingly allowed their countries to become corrupt, violent, and poor?

At some point, the US has to stop being the giant teat for the world. Let the self-perceived superior socialist people of Europe take these folks on. Airfare is cheap.

I get it; we're a capitalist nation and as such, there's an expectation that everyone should bring capital value to the economy. However, this is where we philosophically diverge. I believe in letting people in which seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - which in my opinion is the foundation the nation is built on.

Capitalism can then shake out the winners and losers.

[89Hen]

Conversely, why would you let people into your strong economy and fair political system who have zero skills and are the descendants of those who willingly allowed their countries to become corrupt, violent, and poor?

At some point, the US has to stop being the giant teat for the world. Let the self-perceived superior socialist people of Europe take these folks on. Airfare is cheap.

I get it; we're a capitalist nation and as such, there's an expectation that everyone should bring capital value to the economy. However, this is where we philosophically diverge. I believe in letting people in which seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - which in my opinion is the foundation the nation is built on.

Capitalism can then shake out the winners and losers.

Obviously you don't serve on a college admissions board.

[∞∞∞]

If an individual gets to the border and claims asylum, they're interviewed, processed, fingerprinted, documented, and their case given to a judge.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu ... um-process

But we glean nothing of their past with that process, unless they had previously been in the US and were on record for something. So how is that an improvement?

Like all immigration processes, there's a comprehensive background check. I don't think you can say we can't glean anything about their past.

[Ibanez]

The sheriff is near!

Qualifications?

Rape, murder, arson and rape.

You said "rape" twice.

I like rape.

That's another film that couldn't be made today.

[89Hen]

But we glean nothing of their past with that process, unless they had previously been in the US and were on record for something. So how is that an improvement?

Like all immigration processes, there's a comprehensive background check. I don't think you can say we can't glean anything about their past.

You really think any members of the caravan have records that ICE (or whomever) are going to find? Shit, we can't even verify ages of kids playing in the LLWS from a fairly developed and friendly country.

[BDKJMU]

Agreed. Their asylum claims are bogus. Don't let them in.

Thankfully you're not a judge.

You have to let the law play out - both domestic laws and our international agreements. Instead of simply dismissing the claims are bogus without due process, each individual gets a chance to make their case.

Then it can be decided if the claim is bogus (or not).

If anyone from anyone country who shows up at the border simply has to utter the words "asylum" to get an NTA (Notice to Appear, ie Notice to Disappear") for months or years down the road, then you may as well have an open border (which I'm sure is what you want)..

[BDKJMU]

But we glean nothing of their past with that process, unless they had previously been in the US and were on record for something. So how is that an improvement?

Like all immigration processes, there's a comprehensive background check. I don't think you can say we can't glean anything about their past.

God damn you are naive..

[BDKJMU]

Put yourself in an asylum-seeker's mindset. If you're trying to start a new life from scratch, where would you go? The country with rampant corruption, violence, and economic issues; or the country with a strong economy, a fair political system, and a history of welcoming immigrants?

Conversely, why would you let people into your strong economy and fair political system who have zero skills and are the descendants of those who willingly allowed their countries to become corrupt, violent, and poor?

At some point, the US has to stop being the giant teat for the world. Let the self-perceived superior socialist people of Europe take these folks on. Airfare is cheap.

Bingo. The US has taken more than its fair share of immigrants, legal and illegal, from 2nd-3rd world countries. There's 7.6 billion give or take people in the world. If he had his way, 5+ billion could show up at the US doorstep and be let in after uttering 'asylum'..

If they're not STEM these people provide zero benefit to the US, and there's no reason to let them in.

[∞∞∞]

Thankfully you're not a judge.

You have to let the law play out - both domestic laws and our international agreements. Instead of simply dismissing the claims are bogus without due process, each individual gets a chance to make their case.

Then it can be decided if the claim is bogus (or not).

If anyone from anyone country who shows up at the border simply has to utter the words "asylum" to get an NTA (Notice to Appear, ie Notice to Disappear") for months or years down the road, then you may as well have an open border (which I'm sure is what you want)..

It's exactly what we have now (because it's the law). Additionally, 25% of asylum seekers are from China...which obviously doesn't share a border with the United States.


https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article ... ted-states

It's never really been an issue.

[CAA Flagship]

Conversely, why would you let people into your strong economy and fair political system who have zero skills and are the descendants of those who willingly allowed their countries to become corrupt, violent, and poor?

At some point, the US has to stop being the giant teat for the world. Let the self-perceived superior socialist people of Europe take these folks on. Airfare is cheap.

Bingo. The US has taken more than its fair share of immigrants, legal and illegal, from 2nd-3rd world countries. There's 7.6 billion give or take people in the world. If he had his way, 5+ billion could show up at the US doorstep and be let in after uttering 'asylum'..

If they're not STEM these people provide zero benefit to the US, and there's no reason to let them in.

I don't believe that at all. We need low skill workers as well. It should be a mix of skills/talents. But I couldn't say what the percentages should be off the top of my head.

[BDKJMU]

Bingo. The US has taken more than its fair share of immigrants, legal and illegal, from 2nd-3rd world countries. There's 7.6 billion give or take people in the world. If he had his way, 5+ billion could show up at the US doorstep and be let in after uttering 'asylum'..

If they're not STEM these people provide zero benefit to the US, and there's no reason to let them in.

I don't believe that at all. We need low skill workers as well. It should be a mix of skills/talents. But I couldn't say what the percentages should be off the top of my head.

That is true. But they're already here, in the tens of millions, in the form of illegal immigrants, legal immigrants, & native Americans...Just to get close to a 50/50% balance we would have to only admit STEM & other highly skilled/educated for years...