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[houndawg]

Now you're being stupid on purpose. Obviously the Russians were going to fight on regardless. Duh. And just as obviously our greatest advantage comes when the Russians tie up as much of the German Army as possible and fight to a bloody stalemate. You just don't want to give FDR any credit.

I give FDR a ton of credit, especially around WWII. Frankly, just getting us into the war and on the right side was huge and wasn't a foregone conclusion. And most of that is due to FDR. He has as much to do with the Allies winning WWII as anyone does (is that enough credit?). I'm just calling out the crap you're coming up with, that we were meticulously balancing how much aid we gave the Russians to make sure the war went on longer and was fought, as your now new piece of made-up history says, to a bloody stalement. You're basically saying if we saw the Russians winning too much we'd delay that next shipment of jeeps until things got even again. There's no basis for that anywhere other than your head, so yeah, I say you're making it up.

Er... we promised to open a second front against Germany in '42. Then we promised to open a second front against Germany in '43...failed to deliver promised air support during the Battle of Stalingrad, actually cut back supplies to Russia in '42. Like I said masterful Statecraft on FDRs part to make sure that as much of the dying as possible was done by Russia.

[GannonFan]

I give FDR a ton of credit, especially around WWII. Frankly, just getting us into the war and on the right side was huge and wasn't a foregone conclusion. And most of that is due to FDR. He has as much to do with the Allies winning WWII as anyone does (is that enough credit?). I'm just calling out the crap you're coming up with, that we were meticulously balancing how much aid we gave the Russians to make sure the war went on longer and was fought, as your now new piece of made-up history says, to a bloody stalement. You're basically saying if we saw the Russians winning too much we'd delay that next shipment of jeeps until things got even again. There's no basis for that anywhere other than your head, so yeah, I say you're making it up.

Er... we promised to open a second front against Germany in '42. Then we promised to open a second front against Germany in '43...failed to deliver promised air support during the Battle of Stalingrad, actually cut back supplies to Russia in '42. Like I said masterful Statecraft on FDRs part to make sure that as much of the dying as possible was done by Russia.

Most of the delay of starting the Western Front was due not to FDR, who wanted it, but due to the British. We had a plan they vetoed in '42 (and rightfully so, since it probably wouldn't have worked) and then, to make sure they felt like equal partners, we went ahead with the second front in '43 being opened against Italy as per Churchill and his group's desire (and Italy was a pretty bloody fight for us so if we were trying to avoid casualties that was an odd way to go about it). The British were dubious even about the Normandy landings in '44 but we had clearly moved into the senior role in that alliance by then and it was our call. We cut back supplies to Russia in '42, temporarily and then increased them to levels greater than in '41 and kept it up throughout the war, because that was when we entered the war and needed the stuff ourselves to fight Japan as well as get a force going in Europe as soon as possible. If it was solely up to FDR we would've had a potential failed landing in Europe in '42. You have nothing to back up your claim that FDR was gaming the system to have Russia suffer more in the war - stop making up history.

[houndawg]

FDR had no intention of opening a second front with Germany in '42 to make things easier for Stalin.

[CID1990]

FDR had no intention of opening a second front with Germany in '42 to make things easier for Stalin.

We weren’t anywhere near ready to open a second front in 1942, Spandos

[Ibanez]

FDR had no intention of opening a second front with Germany in '42 to make things easier for Stalin.

We weren’t anywhere near ready to open a second front in 1942, Spandos

This. We had began to mobilize and increase our strength from an anemic ~240K in the Regular Army with another ~225k in the NG in 1940 to about 1.6M in Dec. 1941. That's just the Army. I forget the approx. #s for the US Navy and USMC. OF COURSE, FDR had no intention of opening a second front in Europe in 1942 - I was impossible. That had nothing to do with wanting to bleed the Russians. It had to do with the fact that the manpower and war material needed for that front didn't exist.

[Ibanez]

I give FDR a ton of credit, especially around WWII. Frankly, just getting us into the war and on the right side was huge and wasn't a foregone conclusion. And most of that is due to FDR. He has as much to do with the Allies winning WWII as anyone does (is that enough credit?). I'm just calling out the crap you're coming up with, that we were meticulously balancing how much aid we gave the Russians to make sure the war went on longer and was fought, as your now new piece of made-up history says, to a bloody stalement. You're basically saying if we saw the Russians winning too much we'd delay that next shipment of jeeps until things got even again. There's no basis for that anywhere other than your head, so yeah, I say you're making it up.

Er... we promised to open a second front against Germany in '42. Then we promised to open a second front against Germany in '43...failed to deliver promised air support during the Battle of Stalingrad, actually cut back supplies to Russia in '42. Like I said masterful Statecraft on FDRs part to make sure that as much of the dying as possible was done by Russia.

Was there a promise to open a 2nd Front prior to the Casablanca Conference (1943)? I'm blanking.

[CID1990]

We weren’t anywhere near ready to open a second front in 1942, Spandos

This. We had began to mobilize and increase our strength from an anemic ~240K in the Regular Army with another ~225k in the NG in 1940 to about 1.6M in Dec. 1941. That's just the Army. I forget the approx. #s for the US Navy and USMC. OF COURSE, FDR had no intention of opening a second front in Europe in 1942 - I was impossible. That had nothing to do with wanting to bleed the Russians. It had to do with the fact that the manpower and war material needed for that front didn't exist.

I wouldnt respond with more than a sentence or two. Dawg is just doing his low info "the repubs had 20 years to get Hillary" schtick


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[houndawg]

FDR had no intention of opening a second front with Germany in '42 to make things easier for Stalin.

We weren’t anywhere near ready to open a second front in 1942, Spandos

Who said we were?

[CID1990]

We weren’t anywhere near ready to open a second front in 1942, Spandos

Who said we were?

I see. So promising something, but with the known inability to do so... was brilliant

OK

Here's a hot take for you-

We didnt promise that there would be a second front in 1942... outside of wild predictions that we would overrun North Africa. We promised IN 1942 that we would open a second front

Just think - in 75 years your great grandchildren are going to be talking about how Trump was playing 3D chess with the koreans and the Russians



BTW... exactly what airbases were we going to support Stalingrad from? Asking for a friend.

[GannonFan]

BTW... exactly what airbases were we going to support Stalingrad from? Asking for a friend.

[Ibanez]

Who said we were?

I see. So promising something, but with the known inability to do so... was brilliant

OK

Here's a hot take for you-

We didnt promise that there would be a second front in 1942... outside of wild predictions that we would overrun North Africa. We promised IN 1942 that we would open a second front

Just think - in 75 years your great grandchildren are going to be talking about how Trump was playing 3D chess with the koreans and the Russians



BTW... exactly what airbases were we going to support Stalingrad from? Asking for a friend.

CID - obviously we were going to use a RAF field in Brighton.

[CID1990]

I see. So promising something, but with the known inability to do so... was brilliant

OK

Here's a hot take for you-

We didnt promise that there would be a second front in 1942... outside of wild predictions that we would overrun North Africa. We promised IN 1942 that we would open a second front

Just think - in 75 years your great grandchildren are going to be talking about how Trump was playing 3D chess with the koreans and the Russians



BTW... exactly what airbases were we going to support Stalingrad from? Asking for a friend.

CID - obviously we were going to use a RAF field in Brighton.

With KC-10s to refuel the B24s, I assume

[Pwns]

FDR referred to Stalin as "Uncle Joe", BTW.

[Ibanez]

CID - obviously we were going to use a RAF field in Brighton.

With KC-10s to refuel the B24s, I assume

Obviously the KC-10.

[JohnStOnge]

Russia has the nuclear arsenal. It's the only country such that, if we got into a nuclear exchange with it, there would be no winner. China doesn't have that kind of nuclear arsenal yet. Nobody except Russia does. That's what makes Russia special. Russia is a legitimate threat to us to an extent that nobody else is.

[Ibanez]

Russia has the nuclear arsenal. It's the only country such that, if we got into a nuclear exchange with it, there would be no winner. China doesn't have that kind of nuclear arsenal yet. Nobody except Russia does. That's what makes Russia special. Russia is a legitimate threat to us to an extent that nobody else is.

Soviet tech...


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[CID1990]

Russia has the nuclear arsenal. It's the only country such that, if we got into a nuclear exchange with it, there would be no winner. China doesn't have that kind of nuclear arsenal yet. Nobody except Russia does. That's what makes Russia special. Russia is a legitimate threat to us to an extent that nobody else is.

What is it with you and degrees of relevance?

There are 5 other countries in the world who can end us. China is one of them. All it would take to remove us from the board would be 20-30 well placed nukes to take down the grid and take out key military assets. Then our domestic differences would do the rest.


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[houndawg]

Who said we were?

I see. So promising something, but with the known inability to do so... was brilliant

OK

Here's a hot take for you-

We didnt promise that there would be a second front in 1942... outside of wild predictions that we would overrun North Africa. We promised IN 1942 that we would open a second front

Just think - in 75 years your great grandchildren are going to be talking about how Trump was playing 3D chess with the koreans and the Russians



BTW... exactly what airbases were we going to support Stalingrad from? Asking for a friend.

Fvckifiknow, Stalin was the one requesting it, and a second front in Europe, not me.

[CID1990]

So if I request that you shut up, but you don't have the ability to shut up and then you promise to shut up.. and then don't shut up...

that makes you Mr. Brilliant 3D Chess Dude?


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