Alabama politics

[CID1990]

I don't understand this thread at all

Was there anyone in this forum that didn't already think that the only reason Alabama isn't the goofiest state in the union is because Louisiana and Mississippi?

[UNI88]

I don't understand this thread at all

Was there anyone in this forum that didn't already think that the only reason Alabama isn't the goofiest state in the union is because Louisiana and Mississippi?

I wonder how Alabama's politics are going to shift over the next couple of decades. They're importing carpetbagging northerners at an alarming rate. There are more students from Illinois at the University of Alabama then any other state not named Alabama or Georgia.

[Gil Dobie]

I don't understand this thread at all

Was there anyone in this forum that didn't already think that the only reason Alabama isn't the goofiest state in the union is because Louisiana and Mississippi?

I wonder how Alabama's politics are going to shift over the next couple of decades. They're importing carpetbagging northerners at an alarming rate. There are more students from Illinois at the University of Alabama then any other state not named Alabama or Georgia.

Probably similar to the Californicates moving to Colorado and Montana.

I would also put California on the goofy list.

[houndawg]

I don't understand this thread at all

Was there anyone in this forum that didn't already think that the only reason Alabama isn't the goofiest state in the union is because Louisiana and Mississippi?

I wonder how Alabama's politics are going to shift over the next couple of decades. They're importing carpetbagging northerners at an alarming rate. There are more students from Illinois at the University of Alabama then any other state not named Alabama or Georgia.

I live in Illinois and I'm closer to Alabama than to Chicago.

[UNI88]

I wonder how Alabama's politics are going to shift over the next couple of decades. They're importing carpetbagging northerners at an alarming rate. There are more students from Illinois at the University of Alabama then any other state not named Alabama or Georgia.

I live in Illitucky and I'm closer to Alabama than to Chicago.

But the vast majority of those students are coming from the Chicago area.

[houndawg]

I live in Illitucky and I'm closer to Alabama than to Chicago.

But the vast majority of those students are coming from the Chicago area.

I'd leave too if I had to live in that shithole.

[Ibanez]

I don't understand this thread at all

Was there anyone in this forum that didn't already think that the only reason Alabama isn't the goofiest state in the union is because Louisiana and Mississippi?

I wonder how Alabama's politics are going to shift over the next couple of decades. They're importing carpetbagging northerners at an alarming rate. There are more students from Illinois at the University of Alabama then any other state not named Alabama or Georgia.

That's a common theme in the south. Liberal northerners coming South for the law taxes - and then complaining about the South.

South Carolina colleges are essentially state schools for New Jersey.

[Skjellyfetti]

I don't think college students are invading the South due to low taxes.

Supply and demand. Northern states have too many quality students to give them schollys and keep them all in state. Southern schools are lacking and need better students to boost their rankings and are handing out academic scholarships like candy.

[GannonFan]

I don't think college students are invading the South due to low taxes.

Supply and demand. Northern states have too many quality students to give them schollys and keep them all in state. Southern schools are lacking and need better students to boost their rankings and are handing out academic scholarships like candy.

Not that I've done any research to prove this, but word of mouth talking to other Dads with older kids and out of state tuition in many Southern schools is about the same or less than in state tuition in Northern schools. Could tie in to what you're saying.

[Ibanez]

I don't think college students are invading the South due to low taxes.

Supply and demand. Northern states have too many quality students to give them schollys and keep them all in state. Southern schools are lacking and need better students to boost their rankings and are handing out academic scholarships like candy.

I didn't mean to imply college students. I'm not sure that's true about schollys. Take the College of Charleston for example, when McConnell became its newest president he spoke about the problem CofC got into with accepting the out of state students purely for the increased tuition and failing to accept more local and state candidates. There wasn't any mention of the caliber of the students. That's anecdotal, for sure. But I suspect that has more to do than students in Alabama or South Carolina are too stupid.

[Ibanez]

I don't think college students are invading the South due to low taxes.

Supply and demand. Northern states have too many quality students to give them schollys and keep them all in state. Southern schools are lacking and need better students to boost their rankings and are handing out academic scholarships like candy.

Not that I've done any research to prove this, but word of mouth talking to other Dads with older kids and out of state tuition in many Southern schools is about the same or less than in state tuition in Northern schools. Could tie in to what you're saying.

That probably makes more sense than the South having poor quality students. I'm sure that problem exists in each state.

[Skjellyfetti]

The States with this problem do have relatively poor quality students. Alabama and South Carolina are toward the bottom of the rankings each and every year. That doesn't mean there aren't exceptions or everyone in Alabama or South Carolina is too stupid for college. But, they're both small states with relatively tiny pools of quality students.

University of Alabama is now 56% out-of-state and 41% in-state.
https://www.ua.edu/about/quickfacts

Virginia is a southern state with pretty highly ranked public education.
UVA is 70% in-state and 30% out-of-state.
http://as.virginia.edu/enrollment-data


It's probably not the only reason - but, having shitty secondary public education is a pretty big factor, imo.

[Ivytalk]

The States with this problem do have relatively poor quality students. Alabama and South Carolina are toward the bottom of the rankings each and every year. That doesn't mean there aren't exceptions or everyone in Alabama or South Carolina is too stupid for college. But, they're both small states with relatively tiny pools of quality students.

University of Alabama is now 56% out-of-state and 41% in-state.
https://www.ua.edu/about/quickfacts

Virginia is a southern state with pretty highly ranked public education.
UVA is 70% in-state and 30% out-of-state.
http://as.virginia.edu/enrollment-data


It's probably not the only reason - but, having shitty secondary public education is a pretty big factor, imo.

An Irish Catholic girl who lives in our Wilmington neighborhood and went to Catholic school decided to go to Bama this year. Big Bama flag hanging outside her house. Prolly affecting a cute Tuscaloosa accent by now.

[Ibanez]

The States with this problem do have relatively poor quality students. Alabama and South Carolina are toward the bottom of the rankings each and every year. That doesn't mean there aren't exceptions or everyone in Alabama or South Carolina is too stupid for college. But, they're both small states with relatively tiny pools of quality students.

University of Alabama is now 56% out-of-state and 41% in-state.
https://www.ua.edu/about/quickfacts

Virginia is a southern state with pretty highly ranked public education.
UVA is 70% in-state and 30% out-of-state.
http://as.virginia.edu/enrollment-data


It's probably not the only reason - but, having shitty secondary public education is a pretty big factor, imo.

I don't know about the those states, but in SC it was reported that the rise of out of state students was more b/c of budgets. Unless I missed it, the quality of students isn't the primary factor.

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/out ... 1014e.html

South Carolina's public support for universities had been dwindling for years when lawmakers slashed funding in the early years of the Great Recession — and never restored them to their previous levels. State appropriations made up about 20 percent of USC's budget in 2008. Today, they make up about 10 percent.

To balance its budget, USC hiked its tuition and started recruiting heavily from wealthier states, including many in the Northeast, where some families can afford the full price. Today, the university employs 15 out-of-state admissions representatives and six in-state.

I found this interesting - I was unaware there were discounts (which seems silly if you're recruiting out of state kids for their money).

On one level, going to USC was an economic decision for Jeff. Thanks to academic scholarships, Jeff spends less to attend USC than he would have at Rutgers University in his home state. USC applies a sliding scale for out-of-state tuition so that some students pay as much as $16,181, while the highest-achieving students can earn discounted rates all the way down to $6,131, the same rate as a native South Carolinian.

I get the two are linked - but the increase in out of staters, at least for SC, is to bridge the budget gap and not the poor quality of students.


I'm not saying SC has a great public education system - I know it doesn't. What i'm saying is that, for SC, the college's aren't recruiting out of state students solely b/c they think Kids from NJ or PA are better. It's b/c the school has had its budgets cut and instead of cutting spending/programs, they increase tuition.

IIRC, South Carolina schools tutitions are close to 50% of the median wage. Those low wage families can't afford a CCU OR SCAR.