For those that think "more voters = better democracy"

[93henfan]

I don't think Gen X was really impacted by this - our generation hit the sweet spot on this, got in and got established before the Boomers had to hang around longer. If you were good enough to advance you did, if you weren't, well, that's not really the fault of old people hanging around then, is it? Maybe true for the generation that came after Gen X.

Of Gen Xers I've spoken to, including what I've read, getting into upper management positions has been difficult across the board; Boomers are simply sticking around too long past retirement age.

Regardless, Gen X never had the numbers to politically challenge Boomers, but Gen Y now does (and Trump's election has shaken it out of its apathy).It's a shift that will eventually be "won" by Millennials simply due to age, but it's definitely going to be a cultural and social change that's uncomfortable for many. And I'm sure when I'm older, I'll be uncomfortable by changes those younger than me will make. But such is the history of all societies.

The Millenials will be the first generation to actually break the glass on the Constitution and Bill of Rights at the National Archives and physically wipe their asses with them.

[Col Hogan]

Let’s see...lower the voting age because teens mature quick enough to understand the issues of the day...

Can’t lower the drinking age...those teens aren’t mature enough to handle liqueur...

Raise the age a person can purchase a long gun because they are too immature to know right from wrong...

But let them into the military to go kill our enemies...

I’m so confused...

[93henfan]

Let’s see...lower the voting age because teens mature quick enough to understand the issues of the day...

Can’t lower the drinking age...those teens aren’t mature enough to handle liqueur...

Raise the age a person can purchase a long gun because they are too immature to know right from wrong...

But let them into the military to go kill our enemies...

I’m so confused...

I covered this in post #2, but yes, you are correct on all counts.

[∞∞∞]

Of Gen Xers I've spoken to, including what I've read, getting into upper management positions has been difficult across the board; Boomers are simply sticking around too long past retirement age.

Regardless, Gen X never had the numbers to politically challenge Boomers, but Gen Y now does (and Trump's election has shaken it out of its apathy).It's a shift that will eventually be "won" by Millennials simply due to age, but it's definitely going to be a cultural and social change that's uncomfortable for many. And I'm sure when I'm older, I'll be uncomfortable by changes those younger than me will make. But such is the history of all societies.

The Millenials will be the first generation to actually break the glass on the Constitution at the National Archives and physically wipe their asses with it.

We have utter respect for the Constitution; it's written by some of the greatest philosophers to ever have lived. But we don't believe a 230 year old document is infallible and neither did the founding fathers.

I'll make you this promise though, if any millennial in your lifetime physically wipes their ass with the Constitution, I'll send you $1000. And if you're dead and I'm still around, I'll donate it to whatever organization you want.

[Ibanez]

-Never retiring, thus helping to reduce the availability of good jobs to those still trying to advance their career. (Gen X really got **** here.)

I don't think Gen X was really impacted by this - our generation hit the sweet spot on this, got in and got established before the Boomers had to hang around longer. If you were good enough to advance you did, if you weren't, well, that's not really the fault of old people hanging around then, is it? Maybe true for the generation that came after Gen X.

Let's be honest - the Baby Boomers sticking around have made it difficult for Millennial's. But there are Gen Xers and Millinnial's moving up the chain (I'm one of them).

And why are the Boomers sticking around? B/c their generation fucked up the economy.

Older millenials like myself were able to get 1-2 years of work in before the Great Recession and many of us survived. There is plenty of blame to go around.

[Ibanez]

Of Gen Xers I've spoken to, including what I've read, getting into upper management positions has been difficult across the board; Boomers are simply sticking around too long past retirement age.

Regardless, Gen X never had the numbers to politically challenge Boomers, but Gen Y now does (and Trump's election has shaken it out of its apathy).It's a shift that will eventually be "won" by Millennials simply due to age, but it's definitely going to be a cultural and social change that's uncomfortable for many. And I'm sure when I'm older, I'll be uncomfortable by changes those younger than me will make. But such is the history of all societies.

The Millenials will be the first generation to actually break the glass on the Constitution and Bill of Rights at the National Archives and physically wipe their asses with them.

I think that's been done already by preceding generations.

I was on a security briefing yesterday and we were discussing hacktivists. An interesting point was made - the people are the kind that have "Issue ADD" they can't stick to one subject, they have no loyalty and therefore they are more of a gadfly then a real problem. That's how I feel about the SJWs. They might make a few strides but they won't get power.

[dbackjon]

I'm a strong proponent of raising the minimum voting age to 30. This allows enough time to "experience" the effects of politics on your life. And by politics, I mean economics.

And a maximum age of 65

[Col Hogan]

And why are the Boomers sticking around? B/c their generation **** up the economy. .

I’m a Boomer, and I’m retired at 64...

My generation is still working not because we fucked up the economy, but because too many of us spent every penny we earned keeping up with our friends and co-workers...one gets a new car...they get a new car....one gets a bigger house, they have to get a bigger house...

The wife and I were made fun of because we didn’t follow that way of life...we saved and invested...

Too bad, so sad...

[93henfan]

And why are the Boomers sticking around? B/c their generation **** up the economy. .

I’m a Boomer, and I’m retired at 64...

My generation is still working not because we fucked up the economy, but because too many of us spent every penny we earned keeping up with our friends and co-workers...one gets a new car...they get a new car....one gets a bigger house, they have to get a bigger house...

The wife and I were made fun of because we didn’t follow that way of life...we saved and invested...

Too bad, so sad...

Woot.

I’ll be retiring at 57, my minimum retirement age. I will move someplace where my vote counts and you’ll likely never hear from me again unless you are within a few miles of my backyard firing range.

[kalm]

Cue klam with a Citizens United sidelong reference

Not what I though of at all when I read the topic. (Even if CU is subversive to Democracy. Hey, I can show you a Princeton study if you’re interested! )

The older I get, the more I read social media, and the more I’ve been forced to interact with local politicians, the more I realize the number of idiots I’m surrounded by and wonder if we might need LESS people voting.

Besides, (as mentioned earlier by Trip) humans don’t emotionally and psychologically reach maturity until at least their mid to late 20’s and sometimes later.

This last election pushed me even further in that direction and not as much because Trump won. It has more to do with seemingly smart and supposedly “liberal” people in the media and whom I know personally failing to recognize Hillary’s shortcomings and/or not owning their vote in favor of a horrible candidate. Or blaming Bernie supporters and 3rd party candidates for Trump.

[kalm]

Of Gen Xers I've spoken to, including what I've read, getting into upper management positions has been difficult across the board; Boomers are simply sticking around too long past retirement age.

Regardless, Gen X never had the numbers to politically challenge Boomers, but Gen Y now does (and Trump's election has shaken it out of its apathy).It's a shift that will eventually be "won" by Millennials simply due to age, but it's definitely going to be a cultural and social change that's uncomfortable for many. And I'm sure when I'm older, I'll be uncomfortable by changes those younger than me will make. But such is the history of all societies.

The Millenials will be the first generation to actually break the glass on the Constitution and Bill of Rights at the National Archives and physically wipe their asses with them.

Did millennials craft the patriot act?

[93henfan]

The Millenials will be the first generation to actually break the glass on the Constitution and Bill of Rights at the National Archives and physically wipe their asses with them.

Did millennials craft the patriot act?

No, but they expressed an interest in ripping up the Bill of Rights in the past couple of weeks to rave reviews.

Spoiler: show

Oh hi:

[JohnStOnge]

I think that 18 is OK. If someone is going to be considered an adult and be held accountable as an adult they should be eligible to vote. If we think 18 is too young to vote then we should also say that if you're 18 and you commit a crime that you are tried as a juvenile, etc.

[kalm]

Did millennials craft the patriot act?

No, but they expressed an interest in ripping up the Bill of Rights in the past couple of weeks to rave reviews.

Spoiler: show

Oh hi:

This is “ripping up the BOR’s”?

Hogg states that he is a supporter of the Second Amendment and supports NRA members' right to own guns legally, saying, "We’re calling out the NRA a lot and 99.9 percent of the people that are in the NRA are responsible, safe gun owners and I respect them for that, joining an organization that wants to support safe gun ownership is excellent.”[3

Wiki is probably in on it too.

[93henfan]

Confiscation is their ultimate goal. I’m not easily fooled.

We’ve had no less than six gun control bills introduced in Delaware in less than two months. It’s a liberal circle jerk.

The local liberal Gannett rag, the News Journal (Wilmington) is doing a complete smear job of 2A supporters at every town hall and rally and giving all the positive press to the brainwashed liberal kids. It’s quite sickening actually.

[Ivytalk]

Please explain to me how I am showing myself with borrowed wealth from future generations?

A few examples as a GENERATION (not individually):

-Eliminated and reduced salaries, work benefits, etc. in the workforce. Obliterated unions which helped drive down benefits available to workers.
-Bought more properties than needed and rented them at ridiculous costs to younger people.
-Voted in politicians who seek to eliminate/reduce the social safety nets and other benefits they benefited from.
-Looted the treasury for massive tax giveaways and now they're running up the national credit card (at exactly the wrong time)...sticking their kids, grandchildren and future generations with the bill.
-Somehow decide the 2007-08 financial crash was because things are too regulated.
-Eliminated the financial regulations designed to prevent a depression (and inequality of the Gilded Age).
-Insist to your kids, who are crippled by student debt, but whom are chastised for not having a home or kids yet, that they just don't understand how money works.
-Never retiring, thus helping to reduce the availability of good jobs to those still trying to advance their career. (Gen X really got **** here.)

There are still some ancient vestiges of the group that protested the Vietnam war, fought for civil rights, women’s rights, etc. But I think they forgot to run for office and dropped the ball.

You are a walking, ill-informed, millennial cliche. To take (some of) your points in inverse order, I retired at 62 with enough saved up to live comfortably, freeing up a law partnership for a deserving young colleague. My kids worked hard, are gainfully employed, and are living within their means. And as for the allegedly stripped -down financial regulations, Dodd-Frank and the CFPB are very much alive. The social safety nets are very much intact, and Trump won’t touch your beloved entitlements. Please tell me you weren’t an economics major at ODU. Based on some of your posts, I’d guess fine arts.

[Ivytalk]

I'm a strong proponent of raising the minimum voting age to 30. This allows enough time to "experience" the effects of politics on your life. And by politics, I mean economics.

And a maximum age of 65

Joke’s on you, Jon. You’ll be there before you know it. One less doctrinaire liberal vote.

[Chizzang]

93henfan today...

[kalm]

93henfan today...

And I like 93.

No homo.

[∞∞∞]

A few examples as a GENERATION (not individually):

-Eliminated and reduced salaries, work benefits, etc. in the workforce. Obliterated unions which helped drive down benefits available to workers.
-Bought more properties than needed and rented them at ridiculous costs to younger people.
-Voted in politicians who seek to eliminate/reduce the social safety nets and other benefits they benefited from.
-Looted the treasury for massive tax giveaways and now they're running up the national credit card (at exactly the wrong time)...sticking their kids, grandchildren and future generations with the bill.
-Somehow decide the 2007-08 financial crash was because things are too regulated.
-Eliminated the financial regulations designed to prevent a depression (and inequality of the Gilded Age).
-Insist to your kids, who are crippled by student debt, but whom are chastised for not having a home or kids yet, that they just don't understand how money works.
-Never retiring, thus helping to reduce the availability of good jobs to those still trying to advance their career. (Gen X really got **** here.)

There are still some ancient vestiges of the group that protested the Vietnam war, fought for civil rights, women’s rights, etc. But I think they forgot to run for office and dropped the ball.

You are a walking, ill-informed, millennial cliche. To take (some of) your points in inverse order, I retired at 62 with enough saved up to live comfortably, freeing up a law partnership for a deserving young colleague. My kids worked hard, are gainfully employed, and are living within their means. And as for the allegedly stripped -down financial regulations, Dodd-Frank and the CFPB are very much alive. The social safety nets are very much intact, and Trump won’t touch your beloved entitlements. Please tell me you weren’t an economics major at ODU. Based on some of your posts, I’d guess fine arts.

And I congratulate you.

As a cohort though, the politics of your generation weakened labor rights, created soaring educational and housing costs, deregulated the financial sector to the point we're now in the "Second Gilded Age," ran up the national debt to record levels, created a situation in which Gen Z has lived through wars their ENTIRE lifetime and Millennials more than half of theirs, and now fight tooth-and-nail against any sort change younger people want to implement. And then as a last FU, Boomers overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

It's not the greatest legacy.

[Ivytalk]

You are a walking, ill-informed, millennial cliche. To take (some of) your points in inverse order, I retired at 62 with enough saved up to live comfortably, freeing up a law partnership for a deserving young colleague. My kids worked hard, are gainfully employed, and are living within their means. And as for the allegedly stripped -down financial regulations, Dodd-Frank and the CFPB are very much alive. The social safety nets are very much intact, and Trump won’t touch your beloved entitlements. Please tell me you weren’t an economics major at ODU. Based on some of your posts, I’d guess fine arts.

And I congratulate you.

As a cohort though, the politics of your generation weakened labor rights, created soaring educational and housing costs, deregulated the financial sector to the point we're now in the "Second Gilded Age," ran up the national debt to record levels, created a situation in which Gen Z has lived through wars their ENTIRE lifetime and Millennials more than half of theirs, and now fight tooth-and-nail against any sort change younger people want to implement. And then as a last FU, Boomers overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

It's not the greatest legacy.

Your generation whines, but it doesn’t show up to vote. In the 2014 Congressional election, turnout for the mammoth 18-29 age group was below 20%. In the 2016 election of which you complain, youth turnout was well below 50%. If you want to effect “change,” get your azz to the polls.

[houndawg]

And why are the Boomers sticking around? B/c their generation **** up the economy. .

I’m a Boomer, and I’m retired at 64...

My generation is still working not because we **** up the economy, but because too many of us spent every penny we earned keeping up with our friends and co-workers...one gets a new car...they get a new car....one gets a bigger house, they have to get a bigger house...

The wife and I were made fun of because we didn’t follow that way of life...we saved and invested...

Too bad, so sad...

yep, me too.

Keeping up with the Joneses was something that was foisted on Boomers, though, and was exactly what they were rebelling against in the 60s.

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[CAA Flagship]

Let's be honest - the Baby Boomers sticking around have made it difficult for Millennial's. But there are Gen Xers and Millinnial's moving up the chain (I'm one of them).

And why are the Boomers sticking around? B/c their generation fucked up the economy.

Older millenials like myself were able to get 1-2 years of work in before the Great Recession and many of us survived. There is plenty of blame to go around.

No. Let's be honest - things are difficult on Millennials because it's been difficult for everyone. Fuckin Obama, Reid, and Pelosi did that. The snail-like response to the economy while shoving the healthcare tax down our throats is the reason. There are always ups and downs in the economy. Boomers have faced many of them, including interest rates in excess of 20%. Turning them around quickly was never a problem, until 2012.

[∞∞∞]

And I congratulate you.

As a cohort though, the politics of your generation weakened labor rights, created soaring educational and housing costs, deregulated the financial sector to the point we're now in the "Second Gilded Age," ran up the national debt to record levels, created a situation in which Gen Z has lived through wars their ENTIRE lifetime and Millennials more than half of theirs, and now fight tooth-and-nail against any sort change younger people want to implement. And then as a last FU, Boomers overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

It's not the greatest legacy.

Your generation whines, but it doesn’t show up to vote. In the 2014 Congressional election, turnout for the mammoth 18-29 age group was below 20%. In the 2016 election of which you complain, youth turnout was well below 50%. If you want to effect “change,” get your azz to the polls.

I completely agree. I think signs are that Millennials have woken up from their apathy, but the mid terms will tell us if that's the case.

[houndawg]

Cue klam with a Citizens United sidelong reference

Not what I though of at all when I read the topic. (Even if CU is subversive to Democracy. Hey, I can show you a Princeton study if you’re interested! )

The older I get, the more I read social media, and the more I’ve been forced to interact with local politicians, the more I realize the number of idiots I’m surrounded by and wonder if we might need LESS people voting.

Besides, (as mentioned earlier by Trip) humans don’t emotionally and psychologically reach maturity until at least their mid to late 20’s and sometimes later.

This last election pushed me even further in that direction and not as much because Trump won. It has more to do with seemingly smart and supposedly “liberal” people in the media and whom I know personally failing to recognize Hillary’s shortcomings and/or not owning their vote in favor of a horrible candidate. Or blaming Bernie supporters and 3rd party candidates for Trump.

There seems to be another push of this narrative by the Democrats right now. I can't believe that they're going to roll with what bit them in the ass in '16 again. Exhibit A of the lack of change in the DNC after their humiliating choke job in the most un-loseable national election in our history.