Pwns wrote:https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... -olds.html
Saw this column on slate. The basic argument is basically the same thing I've seen here that more voters means strong democracy.
I mean, if the quantity of voters is more important than the quality and there's no implied responsibility to be minimally informed then is there any good reason to even have a voting age?
Securitization of mortgages and the roll back of Glass-Steagall turned a housing bubble into a world wide economic crisis and there was culpability on both sides of the isle. Other bubbles happened but they were more manageable because Glass-Steagall separated lending banks from investment banks. It worked fairly well for about 60 years.CAA Flagship wrote:No. Let's be honest - things are difficult on Millennials because it's been difficult for everyone. Fuckin Obama, Reid, and Pelosi did that. The snail-like response to the economy while shoving the healthcare tax down our throats is the reason. There are always ups and downs in the economy. Boomers have faced many of them, including interest rates in excess of 20%. Turning them around quickly was never a problem, until 2012.Ibanez wrote: Let's be honest - the Baby Boomers sticking around have made it difficult for Millennial's. But there are Gen Xers and Millinnial's moving up the chain (I'm one of them).
And why are the Boomers sticking around? B/c their generation fucked up the economy.
Older millenials like myself were able to get 1-2 years of work in before the Great Recession and many of us survived. There is plenty of blame to go around.
Who is talking about how economic downturns occur? I'm talking about the recovery.kalm wrote:Securitization of mortgages and the roll back of Glass-Steagall turned a housing bubble into a world wide economic crisis and there was culpability on both sides of the isle. Other bubbles happened but they were more manageable because Glass-Steagall separated lending banks from investment banks. It worked fairly well for about 60 years.CAA Flagship wrote: No. Let's be honest - things are difficult on Millennials because it's been difficult for everyone. Fuckin Obama, Reid, and Pelosi did that. The snail-like response to the economy while shoving the healthcare tax down our throats is the reason. There are always ups and downs in the economy. Boomers have faced many of them, including interest rates in excess of 20%. Turning them around quickly was never a problem, until 2012.
It's amazing sometimes how quickly history gets revised.
My take on Millenial turnout in 2016 is that Obama had warmed them up so much with Government handouts, pandering to BLM, and singing cumbaya that they just assumed the trip to socialism couldn’t be interrupted. They’re getting their shit together though this time, and are more excited than ever to get the destruction of the Bill of Rights and capitalism back on schedule.Ivytalk wrote:Your generation whines, but it doesn’t show up to vote. In the 2014 Congressional election, turnout for the mammoth 18-29 age group was below 20%. In the 2016 election of which you complain, youth turnout was well below 50%. If you want to effect “change,” get your azz to the polls.∞∞∞ wrote: And I congratulate you.
As a cohort though, the politics of your generation weakened labor rights, created soaring educational and housing costs, deregulated the financial sector to the point we're now in the "Second Gilded Age," ran up the national debt to record levels, created a situation in which Gen Z has lived through wars their ENTIRE lifetime and Millennials more than half of theirs, and now fight tooth-and-nail against any sort change younger people want to implement. And then as a last FU, Boomers overwhelmingly voted for Trump.
It's not the greatest legacy.
Oh...my bad. Because nothing happened before 2012 and you didn't allude to there historically being ups and downs and that Boomers have faced many of them. It was just another downturn until Obama and Co fucked it up.CAA Flagship wrote:Who is talking about how economic downturns occur? I'm talking about the recovery.kalm wrote:
Securitization of mortgages and the roll back of Glass-Steagall turned a housing bubble into a world wide economic crisis and there was culpability on both sides of the isle. Other bubbles happened but they were more manageable because Glass-Steagall separated lending banks from investment banks. It worked fairly well for about 60 years.
It's amazing sometimes how quickly history gets revised.
Just because your offense turns over the ball in the redzone, it doesn't mean your defense can relax and let the opponent drive the length of the field.
You're getting there. I'm here to help.kalm wrote:Oh...my bad. Because nothing happened before 2012 and you didn't allude to there historically being ups and downs and that Boomers have faced many of them. It was just another downturn until Obama and Co fucked it up.CAA Flagship wrote: Who is talking about how economic downturns occur? I'm talking about the recovery.
Just because your offense turns over the ball in the redzone, it doesn't mean your defense can relax and let the opponent drive the length of the field.
I have one pet. A cat. We think alike. We pretty much hate everything that isn’t feeding us. And we like to stop pretending to be hard asses when nobody is looking.Chizzang wrote:93henfan today...
Keeping up with the Jones' is a losing game.Col Hogan wrote:I’m a Boomer, and I’m retired at 64...Ibanez wrote: And why are the Boomers sticking around? B/c their generation **** up the economy. .
My generation is still working not because we fucked up the economy, but because too many of us spent every penny we earned keeping up with our friends and co-workers...one gets a new car...they get a new car....one gets a bigger house, they have to get a bigger house...
The wife and I were made fun of because we didn’t follow that way of life...we saved and invested...
Too bad, so sad...
We were just in Downtown Seattle which is chuck full of capitalist hating millenials working for various startups and tech companies, pretending to make money, plying their time waiting for the great commie revolution. They are legion!93henfan wrote:My take on Millenial turnout in 2016 is that Obama had warmed them up so much with Government handouts, pandering to BLM, and singing cumbaya that they just assumed the trip to socialism couldn’t be interrupted. They’re getting their shit together though this time, and are more excited than ever to get the destruction of the Bill of Rights and capitalism back on schedule.Ivytalk wrote: Your generation whines, but it doesn’t show up to vote. In the 2014 Congressional election, turnout for the mammoth 18-29 age group was below 20%. In the 2016 election of which you complain, youth turnout was well below 50%. If you want to effect “change,” get your azz to the polls.
Obama, Reid, Pelosi - Boomers.CAA Flagship wrote:No. Let's be honest - things are difficult on Millennials because it's been difficult for everyone. Fuckin Obama, Reid, and Pelosi did that. The snail-like response to the economy while shoving the healthcare tax down our throats is the reason. There are always ups and downs in the economy. Boomers have faced many of them, including interest rates in excess of 20%. Turning them around quickly was never a problem, until 2012.Ibanez wrote: Let's be honest - the Baby Boomers sticking around have made it difficult for Millennial's. But there are Gen Xers and Millinnial's moving up the chain (I'm one of them).
And why are the Boomers sticking around? B/c their generation fucked up the economy.
Older millenials like myself were able to get 1-2 years of work in before the Great Recession and many of us survived. There is plenty of blame to go around.
Neither Reid (1939) or Pelosi (1940) are Boomers.Ibanez wrote:Obama, Reid, Pelosi - Boomers.CAA Flagship wrote: No. Let's be honest - things are difficult on Millennials because it's been difficult for everyone. **** Obama, Reid, and Pelosi did that. The snail-like response to the economy while shoving the healthcare tax down our throats is the reason. There are always ups and downs in the economy. Boomers have faced many of them, including interest rates in excess of 20%. Turning them around quickly was never a problem, until 2012.
And didn't I say there's enough blame to go around. I absolutely loath the stereotype of the Millennial. That SJW, ignorant ass socialist doesn't speak for the whole group.
Someone said to me that my generation is soft b/c we were given Participation Trophy's. My reply was, " The key word is "given." Who gave those kids trophy's? It wasn't the kids."
What the fuck do I know!? It was a shot in the dark.houndawg wrote:Neither Reid (1939) or Pelosi (1940) are Boomers.Ibanez wrote: Obama, Reid, Pelosi - Boomers.
And didn't I say there's enough blame to go around. I absolutely loath the stereotype of the Millennial. That SJW, ignorant ass socialist doesn't speak for the whole group.
Someone said to me that my generation is soft b/c we were given Participation Trophy's. My reply was, " The key word is "given." Who gave those kids trophy's? It wasn't the kids."
Say it like you mean it!Ibanez wrote:What the **** do I know!? It was a shot in the dark.houndawg wrote:
Neither Reid (1939) or Pelosi (1940) are Boomers.
Gen Jones are the late boomers.houndawg wrote:Say it like you mean it!Ibanez wrote: What the **** do I know!? It was a shot in the dark.
And Obama is a Generation Jones...
And there’s Trips on the far left in the lime green cap...kalm wrote:We were just in Downtown Seattle which is chuck full of capitalist hating millenials working for various startups and tech companies, pretending to make money, plying their time waiting for the great commie revolution. They are legion!93henfan wrote:
My take on Millenial turnout in 2016 is that Obama had warmed them up so much with Government handouts, pandering to BLM, and singing cumbaya that they just assumed the trip to socialism couldn’t be interrupted. They’re getting their **** together though this time, and are more excited than ever to get the destruction of the Bill of Rights and capitalism back on schedule.
Meet the enemy:
Why can’t you believe it?houndawg wrote:I can't believe that they're going to roll with what bit them in the ass in '16 again.kalm wrote:
Not what I though of at all when I read the topic. (Even if CU is subversive to Democracy. Hey, I can show you a Princeton study if you’re interested!)
The older I get, the more I read social media, and the more I’ve been forced to interact with local politicians, the more I realize the number of idiots I’m surrounded by and wonder if we might need LESS people voting.
Besides, (as mentioned earlier by Trip) humans don’t emotionally and psychologically reach maturity until at least their mid to late 20’s and sometimes later.
This last election pushed me even further in that direction and not as much because Trump won. It has more to do with seemingly smart and supposedly “liberal” people in the media and whom I know personally failing to recognize Hillary’s shortcomings and/or not owning their vote in favor of a horrible candidate. Or blaming Bernie supporters and 3rd party candidates for Trump.
I don't think houndy was talking about progressives. They don't exactly run the party.CID1990 wrote:Why can’t you believe it?houndawg wrote:
I can't believe that they're going to roll with what bit them in the ass in '16 again.
The problem with sequestered, bubble dwelling progressives is they can’t fathom the fact that at least 50% of the country disagrees with them across the board
It’s obvious they don’t understand this
Instead, they think they simply have a messaging problem
So given that - why would they NOT double down?
Man, you've got a lot more faith than I do....GannonFan wrote:We survived (barely) the Baby Boomers, I think we can survive the generation that the Baby Boomers largely parented, i.e. the Millenials. It could be touch and go, clearly, but we'll come out okay on the other side.93henfan wrote:
Yikes.
This is where we are headed folks. He has millions who think just like him.
We’re ****.
Where was the thread about getting out before the mud people run things? Emigration is the ticket. Let them all kill each other.
gg USA. We had a good run.
I guess that's Cleets with the bike.Ivytalk wrote:And there’s Trips on the far left in the lime green cap...kalm wrote:
We were just in Downtown Seattle which is chuck full of capitalist hating millenials working for various startups and tech companies, pretending to make money, plying their time waiting for the great commie revolution. They are legion!
Meet the enemy:
Baby Boomer's did that. Granted not every generation can be clearly delineated, but there's a strong correlation between Baby Boomers and the Millenials that many of them raised. Millenials are like the parting gift from a generation that did all they could to drop the ball.Ibanez wrote:
Someone said to me that my generation is soft b/c we were given Participation Trophy's. My reply was, " The key word is "given." Who gave those kids trophy's? It wasn't the kids."
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former. - Albert Einsteinkalm wrote:Not what I though of at all when I read the topic. (Even if CU is subversive to Democracy. Hey, I can show you a Princeton study if you’re interested!CID1990 wrote:Cue klam with a Citizens United sidelong reference
The older I get, the more I read social media, and the more I’ve been forced to interact with local politicians, the more I realize the number of idiots I’m surrounded by and wonder if we might need LESS people voting.
Besides, (as mentioned earlier by Trip) humans don’t emotionally and psychologically reach maturity until at least their mid to late 20’s and sometimes later.
This last election pushed me even further in that direction and not as much because Trump won. It has more to do with seemingly smart and supposedly “liberal” people in the media and whom I know personally failing to recognize Hillary’s shortcomings and/or not owning their vote in favor of a horrible candidate. Or blaming Bernie supporters and 3rd party candidates for Trump.
Ibanez wrote:I guess that's Cleets with the bike.Ivytalk wrote:
And there’s Trips on the far left in the lime green cap...
Ivytalk wrote:And there’s Trips on the far left in the lime green cap...
9/11 was traumatic. It was a massive shock to the system. How old were you in 2001?∞∞∞ wrote:Ivytalk wrote:And there’s Trips on the far left in the lime green cap...
I know I sound jaded, but there was a depressing transformation that happened to Boomers after 9/11. It's like their principals dissolved seemingly overnight in a flash of hatred and paranoia.
When I was in elementary school, things were different. Adults cared about the Earth and about our education. We learned about what it means to be a citizen, how a bill becomes law, that we should embrace diversity, that we should appreciate how prosperous we are, that we should aid the less fortunate.
After 9/11, most of that went away. The adults were afraid, diversity was a dirty word that might conceal terrorists, that if you didn't accept that prosperity was ours alone because we were exceptional and everyone else was backwards, then you weren't a real American, and then it finally morphed into everyone not like you is your enemy (American or otherwise).
As I reflect as an adult, the hysteria seems so clear. It's like older folks are stuck reliving the terror of 2001 and they can't snap out of it. There's so many awful issues like climate change and corruption and internet privacy that desperately need addressing, but they're still conned into electing officials that want to build borders, deport all Mexicans, grab women by the pussy, and "fuck libruls" and fuck "cuckservatives."
All this from a generation that told us not to believe everything you read on the internet when now (albeit anecdotally), all I see is them sharing the fakest of fake news and the fakest of fake pictures.
I was 12...old enough to understand it was a big deal, but not old enough to understand it within the greater social, political, or economic contexts.Ibanez wrote:9/11 was traumatic. It was a massive shock to the system. How old were you in 2001?∞∞∞ wrote:
I know I sound jaded, but there was a depressing transformation that happened to Boomers after 9/11. It's like their principals dissolved seemingly overnight in a flash of hatred and paranoia.
When I was in elementary school, things were different. Adults cared about the Earth and about our education. We learned about what it means to be a citizen, how a bill becomes law, that we should embrace diversity, that we should appreciate how prosperous we are, that we should aid the less fortunate.
After 9/11, most of that went away. The adults were afraid, diversity was a dirty word that might conceal terrorists, that if you didn't accept that prosperity was ours alone because we were exceptional and everyone else was backwards, then you weren't a real American, and then it finally morphed into everyone not like you is your enemy (American or otherwise).
As I reflect as an adult, the hysteria seems so clear. It's like older folks are stuck reliving the terror of 2001 and they can't snap out of it. There's so many awful issues like climate change and corruption and internet privacy that desperately need addressing, but they're still conned into electing officials that want to build borders, deport all Mexicans, grab women by the pussy, and "**** libruls" and **** "cuckservatives."
All this from a generation that told us not to believe everything you read on the internet when now (albeit anecdotally), all I see is them sharing the fakest of fake news and the fakest of fake pictures.
