For those that think "more voters = better democracy"

[AZGrizFan]

And there’s Trips on the far left in the lime green cap...

I know I sound jaded, but there was a depressing transformation that happened to Boomers after 9/11. It's like their principals dissolved seemingly overnight in a flash of hatred and paranoia.

When I was in elementary school, things were different. Adults cared about the Earth and about our education. We learned about what it means to be a citizen, how a bill becomes law, that we should embrace diversity, that we should appreciate how prosperous we are, that we should aid the less fortunate.

After 9/11, most of that went away. The adults were afraid, diversity was a dirty word that might conceal terrorists, that if you didn't accept that prosperity was ours alone because we were exceptional and everyone else was backwards, then you weren't a real American, and then it finally morphed into everyone not like you is your enemy (American or otherwise).

As I reflect as an adult, the hysteria seems so clear. It's like older folks are stuck reliving the terror of 2001 and they can't snap out of it. There's so many awful issues like climate change and corruption and internet privacy that desperately need addressing, but they're still conned into electing officials that want to build borders, deport all Mexicans, grab women by the pussy, and "fuck libruls" and fuck "cuckservatives."

All this from a generation that told us not to believe everything you read on the internet when now (albeit anecdotally), all I see is them sharing the fakest of fake news and the fakest of fake pictures.

Good CHRIST there's a lot of generalizations in that post. Too many to count. And you give the militant left (most decidedly NOT made up of boomers) a gigantic pass in your race to blame boomers for the state of our country.

[∞∞∞]

Boomers consist of both the left and the right. Most Boomers are now statistically conservative, but it was their politics (both parties) that got us to this point throughout the last few decades. And even now, Boomers still consist of the largest amount of politicians.

But that's beginning to change. Millennials are seeing how important politics is and honestly, this may be Trump's biggest legacy... opening the eyes of an entire generation. He was a shock in our system.

[93henfan]

I know I sound jaded, but there was a depressing transformation that happened to Boomers after 9/11. It's like their principals dissolved seemingly overnight in a flash of hatred and paranoia.

When I was in elementary school, things were different. Adults cared about the Earth and about our education. We learned about what it means to be a citizen, how a bill becomes law, that we should embrace diversity, that we should appreciate how prosperous we are, that we should aid the less fortunate.

After 9/11, most of that went away. The adults were afraid, diversity was a dirty word that might conceal terrorists, that if you didn't accept that prosperity was ours alone because we were exceptional and everyone else was backwards, then you weren't a real American, and then it finally morphed into everyone not like you is your enemy (American or otherwise).

As I reflect as an adult, the hysteria seems so clear. It's like older folks are stuck reliving the terror of 2001 and they can't snap out of it. There's so many awful issues like climate change and corruption and internet privacy that desperately need addressing, but they're still conned into electing officials that want to build borders, deport all Mexicans, grab women by the pussy, and "fuck libruls" and fuck "cuckservatives."

All this from a generation that told us not to believe everything you read on the internet when now (albeit anecdotally), all I see is them sharing the fakest of fake news and the fakest of fake pictures.

Good CHRIST there's a lot of generalizations in that post. Too many to count. And you give the militant left (most decidedly NOT made up of boomers) a gigantic pass in your race to blame boomers for the state of our country.

He spins a fine yarn.

[CID1990]

Why can’t you believe it?

The problem with sequestered, bubble dwelling progressives is they can’t fathom the fact that at least 50% of the country disagrees with them across the board

It’s obvious they don’t understand this

Instead, they think they simply have a messaging problem

So given that - why would they NOT double down?

I don't think houndy was talking about progressives. They don't exactly run the party.

(I feel like we've had this conversation before)

Well the DNC sure is making some odd choices then, if thats not the case



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[kalm]

I don't think houndy was talking about progressives. They don't exactly run the party.

(I feel like we've had this conversation before)

Well the DNC sure is making some odd choices then, if thats not the case



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Smart money says there will be a concerted “anyone but Bernie” push from the establishment donks.

[AZGrizFan]

Boomers consist of both the left and the right. Most Boomers are now statistically conservative, but it was their politics (both parties) that got us to this point throughout the last few decades. And even now, Boomers still consist of the largest amount of politicians.

But that's beginning to change. Millennials are seeing how important politics is and honestly, this may be Trump's biggest legacy... opening the eyes of an entire generation. He was a shock in our system.

Ironic, because Obama was a shock to boomers’ system.

[93henfan]

Boomers consist of both the left and the right. Most Boomers are now statistically conservative, but it was their politics (both parties) that got us to this point throughout the last few decades. And even now, Boomers still consist of the largest amount of politicians.

But that's beginning to change. Millennials are seeing how important politics is and honestly, this may be Trump's biggest legacy... opening the eyes of an entire generation. He was a shock in our system.

Ironic, because Obama was a shock to boomers’ system.

The tragedy of Obama was that as the first black president, he could have mended so many fences and really advanced race relations in this country. Instead, he doubled down on stupid and drove a stake through them, fanning the flames after EVERY controversy during his time. And then there was the disaster of Obamacare and lack of any intelligible foreign policy.

Nobody expected anything of Trump, other than a pro-business administration. We knew he was an asshole 35 years ago. And while expecting little, he has crushed ISIS, gave us all a nice tax break, erased much crushing Obama regulation, grown US manufacturing, brought China to confront North Korea, worked to make free trade agreements fair for the US, and stood up to Russia in Syria.

[CAA Flagship]

Ironic, because Obama was a shock to boomers’ system.

The tragedy of Obama was that as the first black president, he could have mended so many fences and really advanced race relations in this country. Instead, he doubled down on stupid and drove a stake through them, fanning the flames after EVERY controversy during his time. And then there was the disaster of Obamacare and lack of any intelligible foreign policy.

Nobody expected anything of Trump, other than a pro-business administration. We knew he was an asshole 35 years ago. And while expecting little, he has crushed ISIS, gave us all a nice tax break, erased much crushing Obama regulation, grown US manufacturing, brought China to confront North Korea, worked to make free trade agreements fair for the US, and stood up to Russia in Syria.

It was 8 years of loitering.

[JohnStOnge]

Ironic, because Obama was a shock to boomers’ system.

The tragedy of Obama was that as the first black president, he could have mended so many fences and really advanced race relations in this country. Instead, he doubled down on stupid and drove a stake through them, fanning the flames after EVERY controversy during his time. And then there was the disaster of Obamacare and lack of any intelligible foreign policy.

Nobody expected anything of Trump, other than a pro-business administration. We knew he was an asshole 35 years ago. And while expecting little, he has crushed ISIS, gave us all a nice tax break, erased much crushing Obama regulation, grown US manufacturing, brought China to confront North Korea, worked to make free trade agreements fair for the US, and stood up to Russia in Syria.

I think you are really, really over estimating what Trump has accomplished. ISIS was being crushed before he took office. We'd be about in the same place with that situation as we are now if he hadn't been elected. The net impact of what he's done with regulation is uncertain. It does not appear to me to have been carefully considered and could very well end up biting Republicans in the ass. If he's grown US manufacturing at all over what it would be right now anyway it's not by much. And I doubt that we can even really say with confidence that he's grown it at all. With North Korea he's granted the North Koreans status they pursued for decades with other Presidents without success. We'll see how that turns out. And I don't see how you can say he's "stood up" to Russia in Syria. He's launched a couple of symbolic strikes in response to the use of chemical weapons while giving the Russians and Syrians plenty of warning and time to protect their assets both times.

Meanwhile he's totally corrupting our system. Or at least he's trying to. Hopefully our system is robust enough to get through this.

[93henfan]

The tragedy of Obama was that as the first black president, he could have mended so many fences and really advanced race relations in this country. Instead, he doubled down on stupid and drove a stake through them, fanning the flames after EVERY controversy during his time. And then there was the disaster of Obamacare and lack of any intelligible foreign policy.

Nobody expected anything of Trump, other than a pro-business administration. We knew he was an asshole 35 years ago. And while expecting little, he has crushed ISIS, gave us all a nice tax break, erased much crushing Obama regulation, grown US manufacturing, brought China to confront North Korea, worked to make free trade agreements fair for the US, and stood up to Russia in Syria.

I think you are really, really over estimating what Trump has accomplished. ISIS was being crushed before he took office. We'd be about in the same place with that situation as we are now if he hadn't been elected. The net impact of what he's done with regulation is uncertain. It does not appear to me to have been carefully considered and could very well end up biting Republicans in the ass. If he's grown US manufacturing at all over what it would be right now anyway it's not by much. And I doubt that we can even really say with confidence that he's grown it at all. With North Korea he's granted the North Koreans status they pursued for decades with other Presidents without success. We'll see how that turns out. And I don't see how you can say he's "stood up" to Russia in Syria. He's launched a couple of symbolic strikes in response to the use of chemical weapons while giving the Russians and Syrians plenty of warning and time to protect their assets both times.

Meanwhile he's totally corrupting our system. Or at least he's trying to. Hopefully our system is robust enough to get through this.

And the sour grapes tour continues...

[93henfan]

The tragedy of Obama was that as the first black president, he could have mended so many fences and really advanced race relations in this country. Instead, he doubled down on stupid and drove a stake through them, fanning the flames after EVERY controversy during his time. And then there was the disaster of Obamacare and lack of any intelligible foreign policy.

Nobody expected anything of Trump, other than a pro-business administration. We knew he was an asshole 35 years ago. And while expecting little, he has crushed ISIS, gave us all a nice tax break, erased much crushing Obama regulation, grown US manufacturing, brought China to confront North Korea, worked to make free trade agreements fair for the US, and stood up to Russia in Syria.

It was 8 years of loitering.

I just caught the joke the second time I read that.

[JohnStOnge]

I'm going to post this to illustrate how the mythology continues. It's manufacturing output. You can see an interactive display of it at https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/OUTMS. If you hover your cursor at the end point of the graph you'll see it goes through the 4th quarter of 2017. And what you can see is that manufacturing output generally increased from the beginning of the period through around 2000 then took a little dip. Then it generally increased from there through the big disturbance around 2008 and 2009. Then it's been generally increasing since then. It is another example of a situation in which, if you didn't know anything about who was in office when, you would not say anything happened around the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017 to change the trend. The idea that there is some indication that Trump getting elected changed the way things were going is absurd. Yet we keep getting this nonsense.

[kalm]

Ironic, because Obama was a shock to boomers’ system.

The tragedy of Obama was that as the first black president, he could have mended so many fences and really advanced race relations in this country. Instead, he doubled down on stupid and drove a stake through them, fanning the flames after EVERY controversy during his time. And then there was the disaster of Obamacare and lack of any intelligible foreign policy.

Nobody expected anything of Trump, other than a pro-business administration. We knew he was an asshole 35 years ago. And while expecting little, he has crushed ISIS, gave us all a nice tax break, erased much crushing Obama regulation, grown US manufacturing, brought China to confront North Korea, worked to make free trade agreements fair for the US, and stood up to Russia in Syria.

Obama didn’t change my view of race one iota.

[JohnStOnge]

I think you are really, really over estimating what Trump has accomplished. ISIS was being crushed before he took office. We'd be about in the same place with that situation as we are now if he hadn't been elected. The net impact of what he's done with regulation is uncertain. It does not appear to me to have been carefully considered and could very well end up biting Republicans in the ass. If he's grown US manufacturing at all over what it would be right now anyway it's not by much. And I doubt that we can even really say with confidence that he's grown it at all. With North Korea he's granted the North Koreans status they pursued for decades with other Presidents without success. We'll see how that turns out. And I don't see how you can say he's "stood up" to Russia in Syria. He's launched a couple of symbolic strikes in response to the use of chemical weapons while giving the Russians and Syrians plenty of warning and time to protect their assets both times.

Meanwhile he's totally corrupting our system. Or at least he's trying to. Hopefully our system is robust enough to get through this.

And the sour grapes tour continues...

No, it's the truth. You are buying into a bunch of nonsense. Trump and his people specialize in misinformation and you are buying it. See the graph I just posted on manufacturing output. If you believe that Trump taking over was associated with a change in the trend with respect to manufacturing output, you have a false belief. You have been duped. Probably willingly. But duped.

[93henfan]

And the sour grapes tour continues...

No, it's the truth. You are buying into a bunch of nonsense. Trump and his people specialize in misinformation and you are buying it. See the graph I just posted on manufacturing output. If you believe that Trump taking over was associated with a change in the trend with respect to manufacturing output, you have a false belief. You have been duped. Probably willingly. But duped.

You're the one buying into nonsense. You're still butthurt that your girl lost and it's driving you crazy.

I love it!

So does my retirement account, which is WAY up under Trump. I'd retire early if I was allowed to get my FERS pension.

[93henfan]

The tragedy of Obama was that as the first black president, he could have mended so many fences and really advanced race relations in this country. Instead, he doubled down on stupid and drove a stake through them, fanning the flames after EVERY controversy during his time. And then there was the disaster of Obamacare and lack of any intelligible foreign policy.

Nobody expected anything of Trump, other than a pro-business administration. We knew he was an asshole 35 years ago. And while expecting little, he has crushed ISIS, gave us all a nice tax break, erased much crushing Obama regulation, grown US manufacturing, brought China to confront North Korea, worked to make free trade agreements fair for the US, and stood up to Russia in Syria.

Obama didn’t change my view of race one iota.

Mine either. We weren't the ones being fanned. I think you're smart enough to know exactly what I'm talking about.

"Travon could have been my son" etc etc

Here, this didn't take long. It's the first Google hit for "Obama fanned flames of race" https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... al-discord

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[JohnStOnge]

No, it's the truth. You are buying into a bunch of nonsense. Trump and his people specialize in misinformation and you are buying it. See the graph I just posted on manufacturing output. If you believe that Trump taking over was associated with a change in the trend with respect to manufacturing output, you have a false belief. You have been duped. Probably willingly. But duped.

You're the one buying into nonsense. You're still butthurt that your girl lost and it's driving you crazy.

I love it!

So does my retirement account, which is WAY up under Trump. I'd retire early if I was allowed to get my FERS pension.

Look at the graph. Look at graphs of the unemployment rate over time. Look at graphs of quarterly or annual growth in GDP over time. Any economic indicator including the stock market. You can't be intellectually honest while looking at something like the last 10 years and say that the data would suggest that something happened around the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017 to notably change the trajectory in anything.

And that includes the stock market. If you look at the 10 year graph below and you weren't trying to make it fit the "Trump did it" narrative you'd say maybe something happened around early 2016 to start an upward trend. Then you might say that there may have been a little bit of an increase in the trend late in 2017 but after that there was a downturn. In fact the most notable and dramatic change in trend since around the end of 2016 and the beginning of 2017 is that recent downturn that we're in right now.

Look. It's just the truth.

[93henfan]

The upward trend started after election night. I can read a graph, dipshit.

You're selectively reading it. The graph you posted is essentially flat for all of 2015 and 2016 until, BOOM, November 2016 and it shoots WAY up.

Jan 2, 2015 - 17,833
Nov 4, 2016 - 17,888 (Trump election week)
Jan 26, 2018 - 26,616

Be intellectually honest, Hillary-boy. I know you're in pain, but it'll be alright.

[JohnStOnge]

The upward trend started after election night. I can read a graph, dipshit.

You're selectively reading it. The graph you posted is essentially flat for all of 2015 and 2016 until, BOOM, November 2016 and it shoots WAY up.

Jan 2, 2015 - 17,833
Nov 4, 2016 - 17,888 (Trump election week)
Jan 26, 2018 - 26,616

Be intellectually honest, Hillary-boy. I know you're in pain, but it'll be alright.

It was at 15,885 on January 25, 2016. It was 18,332 on election day (November 8, 2016). That's not flat. Again. stand back and look at the graph. What you're doing is exactly what I'm talking about. Instead of just looking at the graph to see if it really looks like something happened around the end of 2016 and the beginning of 2017 to change things you're looking to try to find some way of saying Trump getting elected changed things.

Again. Just be intellectually honest and look at the graph. Ask yourself if, assuming you didn't know anything about what happened politically and were just looking at the graph itself you would see some indication around the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017 to change the trend.

And if you're intellectually honest the answer will be "no."

[93henfan]

The upward trend started after election night. I can read a graph, dipshit.

You're selectively reading it. The graph you posted is essentially flat for all of 2015 and 2016 until, BOOM, November 2016 and it shoots WAY up.

Jan 2, 2015 - 17,833
Nov 4, 2016 - 17,888 (Trump election week)
Jan 26, 2018 - 26,616

Be intellectually honest, Hillary-boy. I know you're in pain, but it'll be alright.

It was at 15,885 on January 25, 2016. It was 18,332 on election day (November 8, 2016). That's not flat. Again. stand back and look at the graph. What you're doing is exactly what I'm talking about. Instead of just looking at the graph to see if it really looks like something happened around the end of 2016 and the beginning of 2017 to change things you're looking to try to find some way of saying Trump getting elected changed things.

Again. Just be intellectually honest and look at the graph. Ask yourself if, assuming you didn't know anything about what happened politically and were just looking at the graph itself you would see some indication around the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017 to change the trend.

And if you're intellectually honest the answer will be "no."

Like I said, completely flat from Jan 2, 2015 (17,833) to Nov 4, 2016 (17,888), then BOOM, takes right off with the news of Trump's election. Be intellectually honest, Hillary-boy. Nearly two years of stagnation, followed by a nearly 50% increase in 14 months after Trump is elected. WOW!!! Simply incredible.

[kalm]

Obama didn’t change my view of race one iota.

Mine either. We weren't the ones being fanned. I think you're smart enough to know exactly what I'm talking about.

"Travon could have been my son" etc etc

Here, this didn't take long. It's the first Google hit for "Obama fanned flames of race" https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... al-discord

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Not really that compelling of an article. It doesn’t directly quote Obama with context and comes off more as a ‘don’t give coloreds more reason to be uppity’ piece.

I’m not a fan of BLM, Obama, or poorly trained and trigger happy cops. But I’m not gonna lay all at that much of it at the feet of the Chosen One either.

[93henfan]

Mine either. We weren't the ones being fanned. I think you're smart enough to know exactly what I'm talking about.

"Travon could have been my son" etc etc

Here, this didn't take long. It's the first Google hit for "Obama fanned flames of race" https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... al-discord

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Not really that compelling of an article. It doesn’t directly quote Obama with context and comes off more as a ‘don’t give coloreds more reason to be uppity’ piece.

I’m not a fan of BLM, Obama, or poorly trained and trigger happy cops. But I’m not gonna lay all at that much of it at the feet of the Chosen One either.

If you'd like, I could post the other 1,000 hits on Obama fanning racial flames. I only gave you the first hit.

Let's face it. Obama had a ton of promise, but was a complete failure.

[houndawg]

Well the DNC sure is making some odd choices then, if thats not the case



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Smart money says there will be a concerted “anyone but Bernie” push from the establishment donks.

Maybe they can find a second donk to run this time..... and to paraphrase LBJ - you want Bernie inside the tent pissing out...

[CID1990]

Well the DNC sure is making some odd choices then, if thats not the case



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Smart money says there will be a concerted “anyone but Bernie” push from the establishment donks.

Of course there will be one

Bernie will likely run early to push his message

And then the two clowns who are co-running the DNC will push back for another candidate like Corey Booker or Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren - people who are the modern day DNC equivalents of a Ted Cruz or Pat Buchanan. Bernie's gun stances and his white skin will be enough to do him in


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[AZGrizFan]

It was at 15,885 on January 25, 2016. It was 18,332 on election day (November 8, 2016). That's not flat. Again. stand back and look at the graph. What you're doing is exactly what I'm talking about. Instead of just looking at the graph to see if it really looks like something happened around the end of 2016 and the beginning of 2017 to change things you're looking to try to find some way of saying Trump getting elected changed things.

Again. Just be intellectually honest and look at the graph. Ask yourself if, assuming you didn't know anything about what happened politically and were just looking at the graph itself you would see some indication around the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017 to change the trend.

And if you're intellectually honest the answer will be "no."

Like I said, completely flat from Jan 2, 2015 (17,833) to Nov 4, 2016 (17,888), then BOOM, takes right off with the news of Trump's election. Be intellectually honest, Hillary-boy. Nearly two years of stagnation, followed by a nearly 50% increase in 14 months after Trump is elected. WOW!!! Simply incredible.

Yep. Look at the slope of the graph from end of ‘14 to Election Day. Essentially flat. THEN look at the slope SINCE Election Day. VERY easy to see the distinction.

73 All-time highs in 2017 stock market
Unemployment: 6 straight months at a SEVENTEEN YEAR LOW of 4.1%
# of Employed persons: HISTORICAL ALL TIME RECORD in March
Business Confidence: Sixteen straight months in top 5% of readings over past 45 YEARS
Consumer Confidence: Two highest readings in past FOURTEEN YEARS in past 5 months
GDP expansion six straight quarters
ISIS crushed
NoKo to the negotiating table—denuking WITHOUT requirement for removal of US troops and with talk of an ACTUAL peace treaty between NoKo/SoKo/China/America
Out of stupid Paris Accord
Laid down the law to UN POS’s—UNANIMOUS rebuke of Russian security council threat!
Line in the Sand in Syria—and actually backed it up
Real Tax reform
Elimination of Obamacare mandate - further reducing tax on poor
Unwinding of onerous Dodd-Frank act
Building Wall - border crossing at all-time low; troops to the border
Building pipeline
Suing sanctuary cities

But OMG Russia! OMG those texts! OMG Mara Lago! OMG Comey!