The Cult of Donald...

[kalm]

Right. They had 16 options and personally - Kasich was their best bet (even though he's from Ohio).

Kasich, bought and paid for by George Soros, great choice.


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[Ibanez]

Right. They had 16 options and personally - Kasich was their best bet (even though he's from Ohio).

Kasich, bought and paid for by George Soros, great choice.


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What? Now you're talking out of your ass. Continue saying you value morals and principles while supporting a man who has none.

[Gil Dobie]

Kasich, bought and paid for by George Soros, great choice.


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What? Now you're talking out of your ass. Continue saying you value morals and principles while supporting a man who has none.

If a conservative Evangelical votes for a conservative Muslim candidate, is the Evangelical considered a hypocrite? They may not have the same personal beliefs, but might have the same political agenda.

An yes, it would by hypocritical to criticize a liberal Muslim over the same beliefs that the conservative Muslim has. The act of voting for a person with different personal beliefs and morals doesn't make a person a hypocrite.

[Ibanez]

What? Now you're talking out of your ass. Continue saying you value morals and principles while supporting a man who has none.

If a conservative Evangelical votes for a conservative Muslim candidate, is the Evangelical considered a hypocrite? They may not have the same personal beliefs, but might have the same political agenda.

An yes, it would by hypocritical to criticize a liberal Muslim over the same beliefs that the conservative Muslim has. The act of voting for a person with different personal beliefs and morals doesn't make a person a hypocrite.

If someone with religious beliefs voted for someone with religious beliefs, would that be hypocritical? Think about what you just asked.

I'm sure CSS was all in a tizzy back in the 90s over Clinton getting a blowjob and having affairs. But since Trump is a Republican - it's all good. Multiple marriages, infidelity doesn't matter as long as your guy wins.

[kalm]

What? Now you're talking out of your ass. Continue saying you value morals and principles while supporting a man who has none.

If a conservative Evangelical votes for a conservative Muslim candidate, is the Evangelical considered a hypocrite? They may not have the same personal beliefs, but might have the same political agenda.

An yes, it would by hypocritical to criticize a liberal Muslim over the same beliefs that the conservative Muslim has. The act of voting for a person with different personal beliefs and morals doesn't make a person a hypocrite.

Good point, Gil. Conservative Christians and muslims are far closer in beliefs than a Conservative Christian and a freedom loving liberal.

[Gil Dobie]

If a conservative Evangelical votes for a conservative Muslim candidate, is the Evangelical considered a hypocrite? They may not have the same personal beliefs, but might have the same political agenda.

An yes, it would by hypocritical to criticize a liberal Muslim over the same beliefs that the conservative Muslim has. The act of voting for a person with different personal beliefs and morals doesn't make a person a hypocrite.

If someone with religious beliefs voted for someone with religious beliefs, would that be hypocritical? Think about what you just asked.

I'm sure CSS was all in a tizzy back in the 90s over Clinton getting a blowjob and having affairs. But since Trump is a Republican - it's all good. Multiple marriages, infidelity doesn't matter as long as your guy wins.

Also mentioned morals, as in Trump having different morals than what are perceived by Evangelicals. Anyone that bashed Clinton for his affairs, and is okay with Trumps affairs would be a hypocrite, but if they didn't like either Presidents affairs, and still voted for them, it doesn't make them a hypocrite. They voted for a political agenda, not a Pope.

[houndawg]

If a conservative Evangelical votes for a conservative Muslim candidate, is the Evangelical considered a hypocrite? They may not have the same personal beliefs, but might have the same political agenda.

An yes, it would by hypocritical to criticize a liberal Muslim over the same beliefs that the conservative Muslim has. The act of voting for a person with different personal beliefs and morals doesn't make a person a hypocrite.

Good point, Gil. Conservative Christians and muslims are far closer in beliefs than a Conservative Christian and a freedom loving liberal.

....with authority

[houndawg]

If someone with religious beliefs voted for someone with religious beliefs, would that be hypocritical? Think about what you just asked.

I'm sure CSS was all in a tizzy back in the 90s over Clinton getting a blowjob and having affairs. But since Trump is a Republican - it's all good. Multiple marriages, infidelity doesn't matter as long as your guy wins.

Also mentioned morals, as in Trump having different morals than what are perceived by Evangelicals. Anyone that bashed Clinton for his affairs, and is okay with Trumps affairs would be a hypocrite, but if they didn't like either Presidents affairs, and still voted for them, it doesn't make them a hypocrite. They voted for a political agenda, not a Pope.

They're about 2-3 weeks behind here. By the time they pop the ground cover will be too thick to spot them.

[Ibanez]

If someone with religious beliefs voted for someone with religious beliefs, would that be hypocritical? Think about what you just asked.

I'm sure CSS was all in a tizzy back in the 90s over Clinton getting a blowjob and having affairs. But since Trump is a Republican - it's all good. Multiple marriages, infidelity doesn't matter as long as your guy wins.

Also mentioned morals, as in Trump having different morals than what are perceived by Evangelicals. Anyone that bashed Clinton for his affairs, and is okay with Trumps affairs would be a hypocrite, but if they didn't like either Presidents affairs, and still voted for them, it doesn't make them a hypocrite. They voted for a political agenda, not a Pope.

They certainly voted for a political agenda - I get it. But if you have a set of guiding principles (values, morals, whatever) based in religion then would it not be logical to assume that you would want your leaders to have similiar values?

Maybe fucking porn stars while your 3rd wife is home with a newborn is a Trump family value.

[Gil Dobie]

Also mentioned morals, as in Trump having different morals than what are perceived by Evangelicals. Anyone that bashed Clinton for his affairs, and is okay with Trumps affairs would be a hypocrite, but if they didn't like either Presidents affairs, and still voted for them, it doesn't make them a hypocrite. They voted for a political agenda, not a Pope.

They certainly voted for a political agenda - I get it. But if you have a set of guiding principles (values, morals, whatever) based in religion then would it not be logical to assume that you would want your leaders to have similiar values?

Maybe **** porn stars while your 3rd wife is home with a newborn is a Trump family value.

True, you don't want your leaders to have morals like Donald Trump. How many recent presidents or even politicians have had great morals, Jimmy Carter. Sure there are a lot of hypocrites out there, but it doesn't mean that every evangelical that voted for Trump is one of those.

[Ibanez]

They certainly voted for a political agenda - I get it. But if you have a set of guiding principles (values, morals, whatever) based in religion then would it not be logical to assume that you would want your leaders to have similiar values?

Maybe **** porn stars while your 3rd wife is home with a newborn is a Trump family value.

True, you don't want your leaders to have morals like Donald Trump. How many recent presidents or even politicians have had great morals, Jimmy Carter. Sure there are a lot of hypocrites out there, but it doesn't mean that every evangelical that voted for Trump is one of those.

Obama appeared to respect his wife. Same with Bush. They seemed to have a core set of beliefs that didn't involve around " How much good press am I getting today."

[Gil Dobie]

True, you don't want your leaders to have morals like Donald Trump. How many recent presidents or even politicians have had great morals, Jimmy Carter. Sure there are a lot of hypocrites out there, but it doesn't mean that every evangelical that voted for Trump is one of those.

Obama appeared to respect his wife. Same with Bush. They seemed to have a core set of beliefs that didn't involve around " How much good press am I getting today."

Fair enough.

[Ibanez]

Obama appeared to respect his wife. Same with Bush. They seemed to have a core set of beliefs that didn't involve around " How much good press am I getting today."

Fair enough.

With many politicians - and I would include Obama, Bush, Bill Clinton in this, there did appear to be a desire to work for the greater good.


Trump is about the Trump Brand and how well he is doing in the polls. It's like the girl in school that wants to be liked so badly by everyone.

[∞∞∞]

I totally understand voting for Trump based on his policies.

But honestly, I disagree that Evangelicals are morally hypocritical for voting for Trump. The morals of Evangelicals mirror Trump's; the difference is that Trump stands behind his actions while Evangelicals use twisted religious logic to hide behind theirs like cowards. And then claim moral superiority.

Trump is better than Evangelicals; I'd much rather have him than someone like Pence.

[89Hen]

Best bet for what? Rationality, yes. But he had zero chance of winning the November election, so that's kind of a moot point.

Thank you 89...
I just wanted to make sure I understood the evangelical position properly

The Means justify the end (period) and Morality is totally negotiable (Got it, thank you)

[kalm]

I totally understand voting for Trump based on his policies.

But honestly, I disagree that Evangelicals are morally hypocritical for voting for Trump. The morals of Evangelicals mirror Trump's; the difference is that Trump stands behind his actions while Evangelicals use twisted religious logic to hide behind theirs like cowards. And then claim moral superiority.

Trump is better than Evangelicals; I'd much rather have him than someone like Pence.

So there are zero principled evangelicals?

[Chizzang]

This whole thing sums up pretty neatly...
Evangelicals are no different than any other American voting group
from reading this thread that becomes perfectly clear

They feel persecuted but none of them can specify exactly how
other than "War on Christmas" and other vague nonsensical fabrications

They feel marginalized because they're not allowed at the adults table during serious conversations

Pat Robertson and a host of other spiritual leaders have seen Trump seated at the Right Hand of the Father
Apparently replacing Jesus there... Because Donald takes a back seat to nobody (Especially that hack Jesus)

The nuts can swing an election like *Buh-Zinga
and To Donald Trumps credit he figured that out early

[Gil Dobie]

I totally understand voting for Trump based on his policies.

But honestly, I disagree that Evangelicals are morally hypocritical for voting for Trump. The morals of Evangelicals mirror Trump's; the difference is that Trump stands behind his actions while Evangelicals use twisted religious logic to hide behind theirs like cowards. And then claim moral superiority.

Trump is better than Evangelicals; I'd much rather have him than someone like Pence.

Kind of like generalizing all Muslims are terrorist. Every group has their good, bad and ugly members.

[Ibanez]

This whole thing sums up pretty neatly...
Evangelicals are no different than any other American voting group
from reading this thread that becomes perfectly clear

They feel persecuted but none of them can specify exactly how
other than "War on Christmas" and other vague nonsensical fabrications

They feel marginalized because they're not allowed at the adults table during serious conversations

Pat Robertson and a host of other spiritual leaders have seen Trump seated at the Right Hand of the Father
Apparently replacing Jesus there... Because Donald takes a back seat to nobody (Especially that hack Jesus)

The nuts can swing an election like *Buh-Zinga
and To Donald Trumps credit he figured that out early

Jesse Ventura's win showed Trump that he could win.

[89Hen]

They feel persecuted but none of them can specify exactly how...

They feel marginalized because they're not allowed at the adults table during serious conversations

You sure don't disappoint Cleetus.

[∞∞∞]

I totally understand voting for Trump based on his policies.

But honestly, I disagree that Evangelicals are morally hypocritical for voting for Trump. The morals of Evangelicals mirror Trump's; the difference is that Trump stands behind his actions while Evangelicals use twisted religious logic to hide behind theirs like cowards. And then claim moral superiority.

Trump is better than Evangelicals; I'd much rather have him than someone like Pence.

So there are zero principled evangelicals?

I haven't found them yet.

[Chizzang]

So there are zero principled evangelicals?

I haven't found them yet.

Said Pat Robertson



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[css75]

If a conservative Evangelical votes for a conservative Muslim candidate, is the Evangelical considered a hypocrite? They may not have the same personal beliefs, but might have the same political agenda.

An yes, it would by hypocritical to criticize a liberal Muslim over the same beliefs that the conservative Muslim has. The act of voting for a person with different personal beliefs and morals doesn't make a person a hypocrite.

If someone with religious beliefs voted for someone with religious beliefs, would that be hypocritical? Think about what you just asked.

I'm sure CSS was all in a tizzy back in the 90s over Clinton getting a blowjob and having affairs. But since Trump is a Republican - it's all good. Multiple marriages, infidelity doesn't matter as long as your guy wins.

Wrong, I could care less about slick Willie’s sex life as long as it is not rape. What got me wound up was lying under oath.


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[css75]

True, you don't want your leaders to have morals like Donald Trump. How many recent presidents or even politicians have had great morals, Jimmy Carter. Sure there are a lot of hypocrites out there, but it doesn't mean that every evangelical that voted for Trump is one of those.

Obama appeared to respect his wife. Same with Bush. They seemed to have a core set of beliefs that didn't involve around " How much good press am I getting today."

No, they just based everything on the latest poll and Obama was a gelding.


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[CID1990]

So there are zero principled evangelicals?

I haven't found them yet.

So the one that you’ve met wasn’t principled?