Concerned Catholics

[kalm]

You don't know ****. Once ratified by Congress it is the law.

Where is that high standard of proof you hold everybody else to?

Oh come on. The substance of the treaty was law. What we agreed to do and what they agreed to do. We are not a theocracy. But to act like our guys writing that we are not a Christian nation into a treaty with Muslims for obvious reasons is a big deal is nonsense. That wasn't for the purpose of agreeing, as part of the treaty, not to be a Christian nation.

Besides, the real point is that the idea of "Separation of Church and State" as it's touted today isn't the idea that was associated with it at the time. Whether we were a "Christian Nation" or not, our Congress appropriated funds to hire a Christian Chaplain then held Christian Church services in the House chamber. That's not government avoiding ANY facilitation of ANY religion.

Go back and read the thread. Especially the quotes from founding fathers Madison, Jefferson and Chizzang.

It’s not as cut and dry as you portray it.

[houndawg]

You don't know ****. Once ratified by Congress it is the law.

Where is that high standard of proof you hold everybody else to?

Oh come on. The substance of the treaty was law. What we agreed to do and what they agreed to do. We are not a theocracy. But to act like our guys writing that we are not a Christian nation into a treaty with Muslims for obvious reasons is a big deal is nonsense. That wasn't for the purpose of agreeing, as part of the treaty, not to be a Christian nation.

Besides, the real point is that the idea of "Separation of Church and State" as it's touted today isn't the idea that was associated with it at the time. Whether we were a "Christian Nation" or not, our Congress appropriated funds to hire a Christian Chaplain then held Christian Church services in the House chamber. That's not government avoiding ANY facilitation of ANY religion.

No shit, Sherlock?

Obviously we weren't agreeing to not be a Christian Nation - we already weren't one
You spin like a Black Hole.

[kalm]

Oh come on. The substance of the treaty was law. What we agreed to do and what they agreed to do. We are not a theocracy. But to act like our guys writing that we are not a Christian nation into a treaty with Muslims for obvious reasons is a big deal is nonsense. That wasn't for the purpose of agreeing, as part of the treaty, not to be a Christian nation.

Besides, the real point is that the idea of "Separation of Church and State" as it's touted today isn't the idea that was associated with it at the time. Whether we were a "Christian Nation" or not, our Congress appropriated funds to hire a Christian Chaplain then held Christian Church services in the House chamber. That's not government avoiding ANY facilitation of ANY religion.

No shit, Sherlock?

Obviously we weren't agreeing to not be a Christian Nation - we already weren't one
You spin like a Black Hole.

The fact we are clearly not a Christian nation sure does ruffle some feathers...

[css75]

No ****, Sherlock?

Obviously we weren't agreeing to not be a Christian Nation - we already weren't one
You spin like a Black Hole.

The fact we are clearly not a Christian nation sure does ruffle some feathers...

Not mine, we are in a post Christian nation status.


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[CID1990]

Oh come on. The substance of the treaty was law. What we agreed to do and what they agreed to do. We are not a theocracy. But to act like our guys writing that we are not a Christian nation into a treaty with Muslims for obvious reasons is a big deal is nonsense. That wasn't for the purpose of agreeing, as part of the treaty, not to be a Christian nation.

Besides, the real point is that the idea of "Separation of Church and State" as it's touted today isn't the idea that was associated with it at the time. Whether we were a "Christian Nation" or not, our Congress appropriated funds to hire a Christian Chaplain then held Christian Church services in the House chamber. That's not government avoiding ANY facilitation of ANY religion.

Go back and read the thread. Especially the quotes from founding fathers Madison, Jefferson and Chizzang.

It’s not as cut and dry as you portray it.

*dried


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[kalm]

Go back and read the thread. Especially the quotes from founding fathers Madison, Jefferson and Chizzang.

It’s not as cut and dry as you portray it.

*dried


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You can use either.

[Ibanez]

Ok, so what was going on before the creator created? What was he up to? Was he tied up with work? Did creation did just start out as a hobby? Did he go to creation school first to learn how to create? Where was he from?

Read the Bible it is there.


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Yeah - i'll take the word of illiterate Jews over science.

[Ibanez]

You don't know ****. Once ratified by Congress it is the law.

Where is that high standard of proof you hold everybody else to?

Oh come on. The substance of the treaty was law. What we agreed to do and what they agreed to do. We are not a theocracy. But to act like our guys writing that we are not a Christian nation into a treaty with Muslims for obvious reasons is a big deal is nonsense. That wasn't for the purpose of agreeing, as part of the treaty, not to be a Christian nation.

Besides, the real point is that the idea of "Separation of Church and State" as it's touted today isn't the idea that was associated with it at the time. Whether we were a "Christian Nation" or not, our Congress appropriated funds to hire a Christian Chaplain then held Christian Church services in the House chamber. That's not government avoiding ANY facilitation of ANY religion.

My wife has virgin Mary statues and a bronze plaque of the last supper in the house. That doesn't make us Christian. Me being Catholic doesn't make my household Catholic.

[89Hen]

Me being Catholic doesn't make my household Catholic.

If I'm not mistaken, you were Catholic, but are no longer. It's not like a race that sticks with you your whole life.

[Ibanez]

Me being Catholic doesn't make my household Catholic.

If I'm not mistaken, you were Catholic, but are no longer. It's not like a race that sticks with you your whole life.

Born and raised Catholic. I don't practice but you never forget.


Unless you're like me and you go to church after some "Vatican 3" and didn't know the responses had changed.

[89Hen]

If I'm not mistaken, you were Catholic, but are no longer. It's not like a race that sticks with you your whole life.

Born and raised Catholic. I don't practice but you never forget.


Unless you're like me and you go to church after some "Vatican 3" and didn't know the responses had changed.

I've been to a few Catholic funerals lately and you can always pick out the former Catholics.

My point was that if you were a practicing Catholic, there's a pretty good chance that your household would be Catholic. I don't know many households with parents who are Catholic whose minors aren't.

[Ibanez]

Born and raised Catholic. I don't practice but you never forget.


Unless you're like me and you go to church after some "Vatican 3" and didn't know the responses had changed.

I've been to a few Catholic funerals lately and you can always pick out the former Catholics.

My point was that if you were a practicing Catholic, there's a pretty good chance that your household would be Catholic. I don't know many households with parents who are Catholic whose minors aren't.

I found out about the changes at....a Catholic funeral last year. I knew a lot of Catholic/Jewish and Catholic/Lutheran households back in Charleston. A friend of my dad's is always at the KofC hall, has always gone to Mass and is quite active with the Catholic Church. I didn't know until a few years ago that he wasn't Catholic.

I was raised in a Catholic household
Mrs.CCU as raised with an agnostic mother and Southern Baptist father - attending S.B. services with her father.

[89Hen]

I found out about the changes at....a Catholic funeral last year.

Let me guess... "And also with you." came out of your mouth probably 2-3x ?.

[Ibanez]

I found out about the changes at....a Catholic funeral last year.

Let me guess... "And also with you." came out of your mouth probably 2-3x ?.

Probably. There was a prayer, maybe the Apostle's Creed, that had some changes? As I understand - the changes were to bring the prayers and responses more in line with original translation.

[Winterborn]

Catholic funerals are almost as long as Catholic weddings....

[89Hen]

Catholic funerals are almost as long as Catholic weddings....

One of my agents is Greek Orthodox and we went to the same Catholic funeral for another agent's mother. He was shocked at the brevity of the funeral mass and asked me how much shorter it was than a regular Sunday mass. The answer was it was the exact same. Two readings, one Gospel, homily, communion, etc.. A good Catholic priest will have you in and out in 55 minutes. IMO that's the gold standard.

[andy7171]

Let me guess... "And also with you." came out of your mouth probably 2-3x ?.

Probably. There was a prayer, maybe the Apostle's Creed, that had some changes? As I understand - the changes were to bring the prayers and responses more in line with original translation.

The Apostles Creed changed, and I have yet to even try to say it. I have the other one memorized anyway. It took awhile to learn the whole "Enter under my roof" line also. With your spirit was easy.

[89Hen]

Let me guess... "And also with you." came out of your mouth probably 2-3x ?.

Probably. There was a prayer, maybe the Apostle's Creed, that had some changes? As I understand - the changes were to bring the prayers and responses more in line with original translation.

A few lines of the Creed have changed and I still botch them if I'm not focused.

The one thing I really don't like of all the changes is the consecration of the wine. It went from:

"It will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven."

to:

"which will be poured out for you and for many for the forgiveness of sins."

[89Hen]

With your spirit was easy.

Yes, but I still hear people accidentally revert all the time.

[89Hen]

BTW, running over to Arlington to the Catholic store in 5 minutes to get Mrs89 a new rosary bracelet.

[Winterborn]

Catholic funerals are almost as long as Catholic weddings....

One of my agents is Greek Orthodox and we went to the same Catholic funeral for another agent's mother. He was shocked at the brevity of the funeral mass and asked me how much shorter it was than a regular Sunday mass. The answer was it was the exact same. Two readings, one Gospel, homily, communion, etc.. A good Catholic priest will have you in and out in 55 minutes. IMO that's the gold standard.

About 55 minutes is right for the Catholic funerals I have attended. I have been at one Catholic wedding that was that short. The longest one I was at was 2.5 hours long (granted it was a big wedding so it took awhile for people to take communion and the priest liked to talk). Most are around the 1.5 hour mark. I should preface all those have been with a mass. Have been to a couple more that did not have a mass and they were around the 45 minute mark.

[Ibanez]

BTW, running over to Arlington to the Catholic store in 5 minutes to get Mrs89 a new rosary bracelet.

Catholics...lol


I almost decided to go back after attending Mass at St. Peters last year. That was a beautiful service. I bought a few beautiful rosaries there.

[Ibanez]

Catholic funerals are almost as long as Catholic weddings....

One of my agents is Greek Orthodox and we went to the same Catholic funeral for another agent's mother. He was shocked at the brevity of the funeral mass and asked me how much shorter it was than a regular Sunday mass. The answer was it was the exact same. Two readings, one Gospel, homily, communion, etc.. A good Catholic priest will have you in and out in 55 minutes. IMO that's the gold standard.

My buddy Demetre passed away in October. He was Greek Orthodox. Their funerals are a sight. After an hour everyone was asked to leave and the remainder was family only. Including the burial.

Very beautiful.

[GannonFan]

Probably. There was a prayer, maybe the Apostle's Creed, that had some changes? As I understand - the changes were to bring the prayers and responses more in line with original translation.

The Apostles Creed changed, and I have yet to even try to say it. I have the other one memorized anyway. It took awhile to learn the whole "Enter under my roof" line also. With your spirit was easy.

I don't so the "enter under my roof" stuff - it's my own little protest. Strangely these changes in translation came right at the height of the child abuse scandal. It reeked of the church hierarchy trying to remind everyone who was in charge. Not ever really the best selling point of the Catholic Church, IMO. And frankly, "I'm not worthy for you to enter under my roof" is not anywhere close to an improvement over "I'm not worthy to receive you". And not even get me started on that "consubstantial" crap.

[GannonFan]

Catholic funerals are almost as long as Catholic weddings....

First of all, they tend to be no more than an hour, and typically shorter, and besides, why would you want to rush either of them? You get married once (well, you hope to) and you get buried once (again, you hope to) so why skip to the end?