Kerry Fails Again-Iran Talks Extended-No Agreement In Sight

[CID1990]

Congress approved those deals? Link?

Congress didn't listen to, work with, or approve anything Obama did. It was obstruction at the highest order.

But like it or not, the executive branch has broad international powers. And like Obama, Trump has the ability to exercise those powers which he did today. However, you're only as good as your word; this is why Presidents don't undo what former Presidents have agreed to.

It's a weak move. Remember that the American far-right is a small fraction of humanity; in the grand-scheme of the world's progression, people don't give a **** about what the right thinks and humanity will move on. This only hurts America's leadership in an increasingly globalized world.

Instead of trying to **** over liberals because #winning, it's time to live in reality.

Therefore, pen and phone

It isn't any Presidents' fault - Congress has abrogated their duties in many different areas - ESPECIALLY in treaty making and war making.

But this dereliction of duty by Congress and abuse of power by the executive certainly does have its apologists and cheerleaders, as your post makes clear

And Presidents do have broad foreign policy powers - and they should be used judiciously. The Iran deal was a bad one, and a decidedly INjudicious use of those powers. OF COURSE Iran was "following" it, because they weren't losing anything. It was a bad agreement, which is why it would never have passed the Senate in treaty form (nor would it have passed the Mullahs), therefore it had to be a gentleman's agreement, therefore it was easily trashed.

I won't even get into your specious walkback referring to the deal as a delaying tactic. That is completely off the reservation, and it is certainly NOT how it was sold by the Obama Admin

[∞∞∞]

Go reread CID’s post on the logic behind this and then get back to us. This isn’t about left, right, or center. It’s about Why EUROPEAN countries WANT the deal and why it isn’t good for us. And hint: it’s not about nuclear proliferation.

Of course Europe wants to benefit economically from Iran; I'm not sure why we wouldn't want to either. I'd much rather link Iran's economy with ours and show them the benefits of doing so. The point of delay and lifting sanctions is to make it a tougher choice for Iran in ten years.

But now we gave them a very brief taste of our economy, broke a deal they were following, and everyone except Netanyahu, Saudi Arabia, warhawks, and the conservative right are jerking off about it.

Iran isn't some back-assward state. The older people running the show talk a tough game but so do the people running the US nowadays (this is becoming a theme with older folks). This fear mongering that Iran is some sort of boogie-man threat is ridiculous at best and extremely dangerous at worst.

[CID1990]

Go reread CID’s post on the logic behind this and then get back to us. This isn’t about left, right, or center. It’s about Why EUROPEAN countries WANT the deal and why it isn’t good for us. And hint: it’s not about nuclear proliferation.

Of course Europe wants to benefit economically from Iran; I'm not sure why we wouldn't want to either. I'd much rather link Iran's economy with ours and show them the benefits of doing so. The point of delay and lifting sanctions is to make it a tougher choice for Iran in ten years.

But now we gave them a very brief taste of our economy, broke a deal they were following, and everyone except Netanyahu, Saudi Arabia, warhawks, and the conservative right are jerking off about it.

Iran isn't some back-assward state. The older people running the show talk a tough game but so do the people running the US nowadays (this is becoming a theme with older folks). This fear mongering that Iran is some sort of boogie-man threat is ridiculous at best and extremely dangerous at worst.

The second a Republican makes the same argument for econ engagement with Russia your tune will suddenly change, Birdie

Your last sentence was word for word how the left described Russia less than 6 years ago


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[kalm]

We’re all triggered from time to time, Chachi, especially you. I was more talking about how triggered BDK must be to pull out gay slurs in this instance. See how it works? Probably not.

Mmmm hmmm...especially me.

And perhaps you missed the gay slurs in JON’S post?

Not at all nor did I miss you and BDK being triggered by them.

Keep trying to figure it out. I’m rooting for you!

[∞∞∞]

Of course Europe wants to benefit economically from Iran; I'm not sure why we wouldn't want to either. I'd much rather link Iran's economy with ours and show them the benefits of doing so. The point of delay and lifting sanctions is to make it a tougher choice for Iran in ten years.

But now we gave them a very brief taste of our economy, broke a deal they were following, and everyone except Netanyahu, Saudi Arabia, warhawks, and the conservative right are jerking off about it.

Iran isn't some back-assward state. The older people running the show talk a tough game but so do the people running the US nowadays (this is becoming a theme with older folks). This fear mongering that Iran is some sort of boogie-man threat is ridiculous at best and extremely dangerous at worst.

The second a Republican makes the same argument for econ engagement with Russia your tune will suddenly change, Birdie


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Great deflection.

What's the end game here? Is the US going to sanction allies still committed to the deal? Is Trump going to beat the drums of war? Withdrawing doesn't help domestically or internationally, so what's the end game when Trump hasn't given an alternate solution grounded in reality?

Trump and company simply continue to isolate America.

[andy7171]

The second a Republican makes the same argument for econ engagement with Russia your tune will suddenly change, Birdie


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Great deflection.

What's the end game here? Is the US going to sanction allies still committed to the deal? Is Trump going to beat the drums of war? Withdrawing doesn't help domestically or internationally, so what's the end game when Trump hasn't given an alternate solution grounded in reality?

Trump and company simply continue to isolate America.

The new plan is to isolate Iran, not us. Choke them out and make them starve until they are ready to deal. And then wait a year or two to come to the table. Chances are the people will rise up against the Iatola's before we have to lift a finger.

[CID1990]

The second a Republican makes the same argument for econ engagement with Russia your tune will suddenly change, Birdie


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Great deflection.

What's the end game here? Is the US going to sanction allies still committed to the deal? Is Trump going to beat the drums of war? Withdrawing doesn't help domestically or internationally, so what's the end game when Trump hasn't given an alternate solution grounded in reality?

Trump and company simply continue to isolate America.

There's no deflection there at all - you're being perfectly doctrinaire and I'm pointing it out

The left has always been wrong on every caveman state the world has ever had - this year its Iran


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[93henfan]

Great deflection.

What's the end game here? Is the US going to sanction allies still committed to the deal? Is Trump going to beat the drums of war? Withdrawing doesn't help domestically or internationally, so what's the end game when Trump hasn't given an alternate solution grounded in reality?

Trump and company simply continue to isolate America.

There's no deflection there at all - you're being perfectly doctrinaire and I'm pointing it out

The left has always been wrong on every caveman state the world has ever had - this year its Iran


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Yep. They don’t call them mud people for no reason.

[andy7171]

There's no deflection there at all - you're being perfectly doctrinaire and I'm pointing it out

The left has always been wrong on every caveman state the world has ever had - this year its Iran


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Yep. They don’t call them mud people for no reason.

I thought they were called Sand , uh, "people".

[kalm]

Great deflection.

What's the end game here? Is the US going to sanction allies still committed to the deal? Is Trump going to beat the drums of war? Withdrawing doesn't help domestically or internationally, so what's the end game when Trump hasn't given an alternate solution grounded in reality?

Trump and company simply continue to isolate America.

There's no deflection there at all - you're being perfectly doctrinaire and I'm pointing it out

The left has always been wrong on every caveman state the world has ever had - this year its Iran


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Yeah...and the right's track record is flawless. Why it's almost as though they're both driven by another force.

[93henfan]

Yep. They don’t call them mud people for no reason.

I thought they were called Sand , uh, "people".

Everything gray is mud people. I’ll give Italy a soft pass.

[Ibanez]

Trump: US pulling out of Iran deal.
https://apnews.com/cead755353a1455bbef0 ... -with-Iran

Good

Only a complete and utter moron thinks this is good.

Brought to you by John Bolton, whose lies led to the invasion of Iraq, and thousands of American deaths.

Since you and the rest of the Trump fucks think this is such a good thing, get your anti-American, racist ass over there and fight.

Trump is destroying this country. You are just too fucking stupid too understand. But hey, he is undoing everything the nigga did, so you and the rest of your inbred buttbuddies are happy.

Wow. Racism. Gay Slur. Regionalism. Take a breath, DBJ.

[Ibanez]

Congress didn't listen to, work with, or approve anything Obama did. It was obstruction at the highest order.

But like it or not, the executive branch has broad international powers. And like Obama, Trump has the ability to exercise those powers which he did today. However, you're only as good as your word; this is why Presidents don't undo what former Presidents have agreed to.

It's a weak move. Remember that the American far-right is a small fraction of humanity; in the grand-scheme of the world's progression, people don't give a **** about what the right thinks and humanity will move on. This only hurts America's leadership in an increasingly globalized world.

Instead of trying to **** over liberals because #winning, it's time to live in reality.

Therefore, pen and phone

It isn't any Presidents' fault - Congress has abrogated their duties in many different areas - ESPECIALLY in treaty making and war making.

But this dereliction of duty by Congress and abuse of power by the executive certainly does have its apologists and cheerleaders, as your post makes clear

And Presidents do have broad foreign policy powers - and they should be used judiciously. The Iran deal was a bad one, and a decidedly INjudicious use of those powers. OF COURSE Iran was "following" it, because they weren't losing anything. It was a bad agreement, which is why it would never have passed the Senate in treaty form (nor would it have passed the Mullahs), therefore it had to be a gentleman's agreement, therefore it was easily trashed.

I won't even get into your specious walkback referring to the deal as a delaying tactic. That is completely off the reservation, and it is certainly NOT how it was sold by the Obama Admin

There were a few accomplishments by the Obama Admin that were sold that way. Obamacare being another .

[andy7171]

Only a complete and utter moron thinks this is good.

Brought to you by John Bolton, whose lies led to the invasion of Iraq, and thousands of American deaths.

Since you and the rest of the Trump fucks think this is such a good thing, get your anti-American, racist ass over there and fight.

Trump is destroying this country. You are just too fucking stupid too understand. But hey, he is undoing everything the nigga did, so you and the rest of your inbred buttbuddies are happy.

Wow. Racism. Gay Slur. Regionalism. Take a breath, DBJ.

He's been en fuego on FB.

[Ibanez]

Great deflection.

What's the end game here? Is the US going to sanction allies still committed to the deal? Is Trump going to beat the drums of war? Withdrawing doesn't help domestically or internationally, so what's the end game when Trump hasn't given an alternate solution grounded in reality?

Trump and company simply continue to isolate America.

The new plan is to isolate Iran, not us. Choke them out and make them starve until they are ready to deal. And then wait a year or two to come to the table. Chances are the people will rise up against the Iatola's before we have to lift a finger.

The rare, valid point.


And from Andy, nonetheless.

I don't see the benefit to tying our economy to every economy on the planet. That's too many inter dependencies and differences in economies that could (will and have) cause problems that ripple around the globe.

I get it though. Trust me I do. I get the argument - but like many things from the Democratic Party - it's "pie in the sky."

[HI54UNI]

Go reread CID’s post on the logic behind this and then get back to us. This isn’t about left, right, or center. It’s about Why EUROPEAN countries WANT the deal and why it isn’t good for us. And hint: it’s not about nuclear proliferation.

It's obvious that he doesn't understand what Cid wrote.

With some of his posts lately I'm trying to decide if he's really that naive or if he's just trolling.

[Ibanez]

Wow. Racism. Gay Slur. Regionalism. Take a breath, DBJ.

He's been en fuego on FB.

I haven't seen.

One day, somebody is going to have to sit me down and explain how the rhetoric and behavior of the Left is what's right for America.

[HI54UNI]

Congress approved those deals? Link?

Congress didn't listen to, work with, or approve anything Obama did. It was obstruction at the highest order.

It wasn't obstruction. The chosen one thinks he is all knowing and powerful and that everyone should just do what he says. Fortunately our system doesn't work that way. And liberals' idea of compromise is that the everyone else should give up their values and do what the liberals want.

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We're not choking Iran out; are we going to choke out Europe, Russia, India, and China too?

The demographics in Iran are changing and it's a big reason they elected a more moderate President in the last election. All we had to do is wait out the natural shift, yet we're economically penalizing citizens that are actively changing the nation (while we continue to ally with hard-line nations like Saudi Arabia and Turkey). What a great idea to take the United States completely out of the equation.

All I've known is Bush II, Obama, and Trump. I don't know how why you'd think I'd trust anything the right does both domestically or internationally. All I've experienced are failed policy after failed policy.

[Ibanez]

Congress didn't listen to, work with, or approve anything Obama did. It was obstruction at the highest order.

It wasn't obstruction. The chosen one thinks he is all knowing and powerful and that everyone should just do what he says. Fortunately our system doesn't work that way. And liberals' idea of compromise is that the everyone else should give up their values and do what the liberals want.

In all fairness, conservatives act the same way. Nobody knows how to compromise. A Democratic Senator represents all political parties from their state, not just the one they are affiliated with.


I really wonder if some sort of Parliament would be better. If anything, for the Prime Ministers Questions.

[∞∞∞]

In all fairness, conservatives act the same way. Nobody knows how to compromise. A Democratic Senator represents all political parties from their state, not just the one they are affiliated with.


I really wonder if some sort of Parliament would be better. If anything, for the Prime Ministers Questions.

Just add more representatives to the House. I don't know why we can't have 8000-10000 representatives.

[houndawg]

Congress didn't listen to, work with, or approve anything Obama did. It was obstruction at the highest order.

It wasn't obstruction. The chosen one thinks he is all knowing and powerful and that everyone should just do what he says. Fortunately our system doesn't work that way. And liberals' idea of compromise is that the everyone else should give up their values and do what the liberals want.

All that is being fixed as we speak and a new Golden Age for America is about to begin.

[Ibanez]

Haven't we seen something like this before? The SALT Treaties? IIRC, it was because of those treaties that the USSR was able to expand in to places like Africa and Central America.

Trip - we were basically bribing Iran to be nice and what do they do? Grow their military presence in the region (scaring the shit out of Israel). Their missile program has seen an uptick in investment.

You do not bring about change by bribing a troublesome country. Bribing them shows you are weak.

[kalm]

Congress didn't listen to, work with, or approve anything Obama did. It was obstruction at the highest order.

It wasn't obstruction. The chosen one thinks he is all knowing and powerful and that everyone should just do what he says. Fortunately our system doesn't work that way. And liberals' idea of compromise is that the everyone else should give up their values and do what the liberals want.

Jesus Christo, the desire for compromise among conks is amazing!

If only the chosen one hadn't been such a liberal!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... 32798.html

[Ibanez]

In all fairness, conservatives act the same way. Nobody knows how to compromise. A Democratic Senator represents all political parties from their state, not just the one they are affiliated with.


I really wonder if some sort of Parliament would be better. If anything, for the Prime Ministers Questions.

Just add more representatives to the House. I don't know why we can't have 8000-10000 representatives.

That would solve nothing.