Breaking: Santa Fe Texas School Shooting

[Col Hogan]

How many police departments are going want to have officers carrying a side arm that a 14 year old hacker can disable???

Or you know, law enforcement is exempted and get dumb firearms.

We clearly have an issue in this nation with gun deaths. It doesn't seem like 2nd amendment supporters want to compromise at all, although technology could potentially solve a lot of issues. If multi-ton machines travelling at highway speeds can reduce deaths by making them smart, firearms can get the same treatment.

You're at home? The firearm can go off. You're at a school? It can't.

Private businesses can do what they please.

Compromise...

com·pro·mise
ˈkämprəˌmīz/Submit
noun
1.
an agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.
"an ability to listen to two sides in a dispute, and devise a compromise acceptable to both"
synonyms: agreement, understanding, settlement, terms, deal, trade-off, bargain; More
verb
1.
settle a dispute by mutual concession.
"in the end we compromised and deferred the issue"
synonyms: meet each other halfway, come to an understanding, make a deal, make concessions, find a happy medium, strike a balance; give and take
"we compromised"

What are you anti-gunners willing to give up to make it a compromise as defined...or is your definition of compromise different...

By conservative estimates, there are over 3000 gun control laws on the books at the local, state and federal levels...you want to “compromise” guns out of existence...

Here’s a compromise for you...most mass shootings starting with Sandy Hook have been committed by males under 35...let’s lock them up in protective detention until their 36th Birthday...that should greatly lower the number of mass shootings...

See...I offered a compromise...

[93henfan]

How many police departments are going want to have officers carrying a side arm that a 14 year old hacker can disable???

Or you know, law enforcement is exempted and get dumb firearms.

We clearly have an issue in this nation with gun deaths. It doesn't seem like 2nd amendment supporters want to compromise at all, although technology could potentially solve a lot of issues. If multi-ton machines travelling at highway speeds can reduce deaths by making them smart, firearms can get the same treatment.

You're at home? The firearm can go off. You're at a school? It can't.

Private businesses can do what they please.

A CCW holder will need their weapon to work in their entire state as well as all states in which they enjoy reciprocity (typically two thirds of the country). Good luck with your smart technology there. In addition, in Delaware, my State Constitution's Bill of Rights (Article I, § 20) guarantees me "the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use." So even if I don't hold a CCW, I'm entitled to hunt on any private land I have permission, any public land where I am authorized, shooting ranges, my home, etc. That'll be a fun algorithm to write.

Your dream isn't feasible without infringing on my rights.

So you better get going on rallying the 38 states you'll need to pass the repeal of the Bill of Rights.

[SeattleGriz]

Having anything you will depend on during a crisis connected to the grid is never a good thing. In the little tremor that caused alarm in DC in 2011, everyone just had to get that phone call or text out to say "did you feel that?" It crashed the cell phone network within 30 seconds. You couldn't get a call or text out for an hour.

That would be a terrific time to rob, loot, and do whatever, knowing everyone's smart gun is useless.

Why not just develop some sort of death ray app? Charge a $1.29 for it.

(Do I have to come up with all the ideas around here? Sheesh!)

Spoiler: show

I tried to spell “sheesh”, “Jeesh” and it autocorrected to “Jewish”

I like it.

Please move two feet to the left. A little forward and <hits submit button> you're dead.

[CID1990]

How many police departments are going want to have officers carrying a side arm that a 14 year old hacker can disable???

Or you know, law enforcement is exempted and get dumb firearms.

We clearly have an issue in this nation with gun deaths. It doesn't seem like 2nd amendment supporters want to compromise at all, although technology could potentially solve a lot of issues. If multi-ton machines travelling at highway speeds can reduce deaths by making them smart, firearms can get the same treatment.

You're at home? The firearm can go off. You're at a school? It can't.

Private businesses can do what they please.

So only the government can have firearms that can’t be turned off

Sounds legit

[Vidav]

Or you know, law enforcement is exempted and get dumb firearms.

We clearly have an issue in this nation with gun deaths. It doesn't seem like 2nd amendment supporters want to compromise at all, although technology could potentially solve a lot of issues. If multi-ton machines travelling at highway speeds can reduce deaths by making them smart, firearms can get the same treatment.

You're at home? The firearm can go off. You're at a school? It can't.

Private businesses can do what they please.

A CCW holder will need their weapon to work in their entire state as well as all states in which they enjoy reciprocity (typically two thirds of the country). Good luck with your smart technology there. In addition, in Delaware, my State Constitution's Bill of Rights (Article I, § 20) guarantees me "the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use." So even if I don't hold a CCW, I'm entitled to hunt on any private land I have permission, any public land where I am authorized, shooting ranges, my home, etc. That'll be a fun algorithm to write.

Your dream isn't feasible without infringing on my rights.

So you better get going on rallying the 38 states you'll need to pass the repeal of the Bill of Rights.

I am asking this sincerely. Understand I own guns and my son is a hunter, so I'm not about taking away people's guns. That being said, if they did get the 38 states and repealed the 2nd amendment, do you think people would really give up their guns? I ask because a huge argument about keeping guns is the Constitution. So if that were to be changed, would people really just "well, the Constitution says I can't have guns so I guess I will turn these in." ??

I know guys like Alpha say you would have to take them from his cold, dead hands. But what about the majority of gun owners? I'm curious the opinion of everyone here.

[CID1990]

A CCW holder will need their weapon to work in their entire state as well as all states in which they enjoy reciprocity (typically two thirds of the country). Good luck with your smart technology there. In addition, in Delaware, my State Constitution's Bill of Rights (Article I, § 20) guarantees me "the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use." So even if I don't hold a CCW, I'm entitled to hunt on any private land I have permission, any public land where I am authorized, shooting ranges, my home, etc. That'll be a fun algorithm to write.

Your dream isn't feasible without infringing on my rights.

So you better get going on rallying the 38 states you'll need to pass the repeal of the Bill of Rights.

I am asking this sincerely. Understand I own guns and my son is a hunter, so I'm not about taking away people's guns. That being said, if they did get the 38 states and repealed the 2nd amendment, do you think people would really give up their guns? I ask because a huge argument about keeping guns is the Constitution. So if that were to be changed, would people really just "well, the Constitution says I can't have guns so I guess I will turn these in." ??

I know guys like Alpha say you would have to take them from his cold, dead hands. But what about the majority of gun owners? I'm curious the opinion of everyone here.

Americans would dutifully hand them in. Just like the Australians

Two reasons:

1) Most legal gun owners are law abiding

2) 99.693% of the molon labe crowd are all bark and no bite


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[93henfan]

A CCW holder will need their weapon to work in their entire state as well as all states in which they enjoy reciprocity (typically two thirds of the country). Good luck with your smart technology there. In addition, in Delaware, my State Constitution's Bill of Rights (Article I, § 20) guarantees me "the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use." So even if I don't hold a CCW, I'm entitled to hunt on any private land I have permission, any public land where I am authorized, shooting ranges, my home, etc. That'll be a fun algorithm to write.

Your dream isn't feasible without infringing on my rights.

So you better get going on rallying the 38 states you'll need to pass the repeal of the Bill of Rights.

I am asking this sincerely. Understand I own guns and my son is a hunter, so I'm not about taking away people's guns. That being said, if they did get the 38 states and repealed the 2nd amendment, do you think people would really give up their guns? I ask because a huge argument about keeping guns is the Constitution. So if that were to be changed, would people really just "well, the Constitution says I can't have guns so I guess I will turn these in." ??

I know guys like Alpha say you would have to take them from his cold, dead hands. But what about the majority of gun owners? I'm curious the opinion of everyone here.

The 38 states is rhetorical. It's not going to happen in our lifetimes.

States who would likely vote to repeal (12) - CA, CT, HI, IL, MA, MD, MN, NJ, NY, OR, RI, WA

Vigorous debate states (16) - CO, DE, FL, IA, IN, ME, MI, NC, NH, NM, NV, OH, PA, VA, VT, WI

Not happening states (22) - AL, AK, AR, AZ, GA, ID, KS, KY, LA, MO, MS, MT, NE, ND, OK, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, WV, WY

So as you can see, a repeal is not happening in ours or our childrens' lifetimes.

Now, hypothetically if it was repealed, you would have approaching 150 million unregistered weapons to try to track down and confiscate. Good luck with that.

[Gil Dobie]

How many police departments are going want to have officers carrying a side arm that a 14 year old hacker can disable???

Or you know, law enforcement is exempted and get dumb firearms.

We clearly have an issue in this nation with gun deaths. It doesn't seem like 2nd amendment supporters want to compromise at all, although technology could potentially solve a lot of issues. If multi-ton machines travelling at highway speeds can reduce deaths by making them smart, firearms can get the same treatment.

You're at home? The firearm can go off. You're at a school? It can't.

Private businesses can do what they please.

All this talk about taking guns away, mental stability etc. Why don't we have security at schools, like we do at court houses, sports stadiums or airports? Are our children in school, not as important as these the people that use these venues? I'm sure most think the children are important, but it's the American way to take political sides and agrue who's right, while these shooters continue to walk into schools and shoot.

[AZGrizFan]

I am asking this sincerely. Understand I own guns and my son is a hunter, so I'm not about taking away people's guns. That being said, if they did get the 38 states and repealed the 2nd amendment, do you think people would really give up their guns? I ask because a huge argument about keeping guns is the Constitution. So if that were to be changed, would people really just "well, the Constitution says I can't have guns so I guess I will turn these in." ??

I know guys like Alpha say you would have to take them from his cold, dead hands. But what about the majority of gun owners? I'm curious the opinion of everyone here.

Americans would dutifully hand them in. Just like the Australians

Two reasons:

1) Most legal gun owners are law abiding

2) 99.693% of the molon labe crowd are all bark and no bite


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If I had guns (which I don’t, for those of you in the government who are following this thread) I would turn them in. But I don’t. Have any. Guns, that is. None. Nope, never owned one. Never even fired one. Big supporter of Trips arguments here...no guns for me, no sir-eee......

[Gil Dobie]

Americans would dutifully hand them in. Just like the Australians

Two reasons:

1) Most legal gun owners are law abiding

2) 99.693% of the molon labe crowd are all bark and no bite


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If I had guns (which I don’t, for those of you in the government who are following this thread) I would turn them in. But I don’t. Have any. Guns, that is. None. Nope, never owned one. Never even fired one. Big supporter of Trips arguments here...no guns for me, no sir-eee......

I kept my re-curve bow with broad head arrows for now.

[93henfan]

I have some burner guns that I'd be willing to turn in to show good faith. I mean, how many breech-loading shotguns does a guy really need?

[Col Hogan]

I am asking this sincerely. Understand I own guns and my son is a hunter, so I'm not about taking away people's guns. That being said, if they did get the 38 states and repealed the 2nd amendment, do you think people would really give up their guns? I ask because a huge argument about keeping guns is the Constitution. So if that were to be changed, would people really just "well, the Constitution says I can't have guns so I guess I will turn these in." ??

I know guys like Alpha say you would have to take them from his cold, dead hands. But what about the majority of gun owners? I'm curious the opinion of everyone here.

Americans would dutifully hand them in. Just like the Australians

Two reasons:

1) Most legal gun owners are law abiding

2) 99.693% of the molon labe crowd are all bark and no bite


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I don’t know about that 99.693% figure, as we have some recent history with a near similar situation...

After Sandy Hook, the Connecticut legislature passed a law requiring all owners of AR-type weapons to register them...

A conservative estimate at the time had CT owners possessing 350,000 “assault” rifles...by the deadline, 41,347 registration forms had been received...that means lots of people decided not to comply...

Then New York passed their draconian SAFE law, which contains the same basic registration mandate...by the deadline, only 23,847 registered 44,485 weapons...estimates there are over 976,000 felonies in the Empire State...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminit ... e547d702f1

I personally would estimate 40-50% would come forward, but even among that group, not all weapons would be turned in...

[93henfan]

Americans would dutifully hand them in. Just like the Australians

Two reasons:

1) Most legal gun owners are law abiding

2) 99.693% of the molon labe crowd are all bark and no bite


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I don’t know about that 99.693% figure, as we have some recent history with a near similar situation...

After Sandy Hook, the Connecticut legislature passed a law requiring all owners of AR-type weapons to register them...

A conservative estimate at the time had CT owners possessing 350,000 “assault” rifles...by the deadline, 41,347 registration forms had been received...that means lots of people decided not to comply...

Then New York passed their draconian SAFE law, which contains the same basic registration mandate...by the deadline, only 23,847 registered 44,485 weapons...estimates there are over 976,000 felonies in the Empire State...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminit ... e547d702f1

I personally would estimate 40-50% would come forward, but even among that group, not all weapons would be turned in...

Good data on CT and NY. The other numbers are conjecture of course. Like I said, I'd definitely turn in a couple of shotguns that are never used, just to be on the record as a conscientious citizen. Everything else is going on the canoe trip.

[houndawg]

Three thoughts:

1 - I don't believe the story. Why? Because all you'd hear on this board is "school shootings would never happen in a state where everyone has guns, like Texas".

2- Schools DO have blood on their hands. I find it amazing how many times, especially in today's environment, that kids that are potential threats are allowed to attend school - schools need the equivalent of a no-fly list.

3- The gun culture in this country is silly & sad and is somewhat complicit in these shootings. Basically the message is "Don't F with my guns & what happens will happen". We can only hope that 100% of the casualties today were from NRA member families...

Move on, no thoughts or prayers.

1) Don't be a retard. "everyone has guns", just not in the **** school. So, yes, it can just as easily happen in Texas as anywhere else.
2) Agreed. SOMEONE had to know something about this kid. Parent? Friend? Teammate? This kid came to school with:

An attacker was armed with an AR-15-style rifle, a pistol, a shotgun and pipe bombs, the official said.

and NOONE knew he was prone to this? He acquired this stuff and a PARENT doesn't have a clue? No teammate or friend saw that arsenal and asked WTF?
3) "Gun culture" has nothing to do with it. Nor does the NRA. They didn't go in there and shoot up a school. ZERO school shootings have been done by NRA members...they're not the boogeyman you make them out to be.

evidently they aren't the good guy with a gun that lucky la pierre says is the only way to stop this shit.

[Pwns]

How many police departments are going want to have officers carrying a side arm that a 14 year old hacker can disable???

Or you know, law enforcement is exempted and get dumb firearms.

We clearly have an issue in this nation with gun deaths. It doesn't seem like 2nd amendment supporters want to compromise at all, although technology could potentially solve a lot of issues. If multi-ton machines travelling at highway speeds can reduce deaths by making them smart, firearms can get the same treatment.

You're at home? The firearm can go off. You're at a school? It can't.

Private businesses can do what they please.

The only thing that's more evil than government is not having any government at all.

You can effectively lose a government and become the wild west for various lengths of time from a natural disaster, EMP attack, solar flare, nuclear war, civil unrest, pandemic, or things like that. If that happens I don't want some stupid gun that needs a battery recharge or needs some central server or satellite to operate.

[Vidav]

Or you know, law enforcement is exempted and get dumb firearms.

We clearly have an issue in this nation with gun deaths. It doesn't seem like 2nd amendment supporters want to compromise at all, although technology could potentially solve a lot of issues. If multi-ton machines travelling at highway speeds can reduce deaths by making them smart, firearms can get the same treatment.

You're at home? The firearm can go off. You're at a school? It can't.

Private businesses can do what they please.

All this talk about taking guns away, mental stability etc. Why don't we have security at schools, like we do at court houses, sports stadiums or airports? Are our children in school, not as important as these the people that use these venues? I'm sure most think the children are important, but it's the American way to take political sides and agrue who's right, while these shooters continue to walk into schools and shoot.

I thought I read this school had armed security, as did the last shooting, right? So just having an armed resource officer isn't enough. Better security all around is needed.

[AZGrizFan]

1) Don't be a retard. "everyone has guns", just not in the **** school. So, yes, it can just as easily happen in Texas as anywhere else.
2) Agreed. SOMEONE had to know something about this kid. Parent? Friend? Teammate? This kid came to school with:

and NOONE knew he was prone to this? He acquired this stuff and a PARENT doesn't have a clue? No teammate or friend saw that arsenal and asked WTF?
3) "Gun culture" has nothing to do with it. Nor does the NRA. They didn't go in there and shoot up a school. ZERO school shootings have been done by NRA members...they're not the boogeyman you make them out to be.

evidently they aren't the good guy with a gun that lucky la pierre says is the only way to stop this shit.

Here’s a fact for you: If you asked, I GUARANTEE you there are NRA members who would GLADLY stand guard at every school in this country. Instead of vilifying them as part of the problem, let them be part of the solution. Sadly, that’ll never happen because it might actually solve the problem, leaving the mouth breathers like you with nothing to get riled up about.

[CID1990]

I don’t know about that 99.693% figure, as we have some recent history with a near similar situation...

After Sandy Hook, the Connecticut legislature passed a law requiring all owners of AR-type weapons to register them...

A conservative estimate at the time had CT owners possessing 350,000 “assault” rifles...by the deadline, 41,347 registration forms had been received...that means lots of people decided not to comply...

Then New York passed their draconian SAFE law, which contains the same basic registration mandate...by the deadline, only 23,847 registered 44,485 weapons...estimates there are over 976,000 felonies in the Empire State...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminit ... e547d702f1

I personally would estimate 40-50% would come forward, but even among that group, not all weapons would be turned in...

Good data on CT and NY. The other numbers are conjecture of course. Like I said, I'd definitely turn in a couple of shotguns that are never used, just to be on the record as a conscientious citizen. Everything else is going on the canoe trip.

Here's the thing you aren't taking into account -

If we ever get to the point in this country - politically - where the 2A can be repealed

then we will also be at a point where your rights against unlawful searches and seizures, as well as your free speech rights will also be "flexible"

That's when the guns will be important - and that's when 99% of the pro-2A crowd will hand them in with comments like,

"I can't feed my kids from prison"

"I just bought a new XBox 25"

"I can't fight if nobody else is with me"

"Might scratch my super clean lifted pickup truck (that I drive to the grocery in Montgomery Co MD)"

I don't think we will ever get to the point where the 2A will be repealed - at least not in our lifetimes. But when you think about a world where that could happen - then other things happening also follow logically. You don't ever lose "some" of your rights

[Skjellyfetti]

Your Powerbar stash will be safe, Cid. Don't you worry your little heart.

[∞∞∞]

The only thing that's more evil than government is not having any government at all.

You can effectively lose a government and become the wild west for various lengths of time from a natural disaster, EMP attack, solar flare, nuclear war, civil unrest, pandemic, or things like that. If that happens I don't want some stupid gun that needs a battery recharge or needs some central server or satellite to operate.

Lol wut? If progressive societies thought in terms of apocalyptic scenarios and a breakdown of all social norms, humanity would never advance. That's some real prepper stuff you've listed. If we're to fear those things, people might as well ditch technological advancements and go back to the very basics.

Even if, we'd likely see a more communal scenario than some free-for-all, Mad Max apocalypse.

I swear some of you are so paranoid, as if the entire world is out to get you.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

How many police departments are going want to have officers carrying a side arm that a 14 year old hacker can disable???

Or you know, law enforcement is exempted and get dumb firearms.

We clearly have an issue in this nation with gun deaths. It doesn't seem like 2nd amendment supporters want to compromise at all, although technology could potentially solve a lot of issues. If multi-ton machines travelling at highway speeds can reduce deaths by making them smart, firearms can get the same treatment.

You're at home? The firearm can go off. You're at a school? It can't.

Private businesses can do what they please.

You guys give up abortion then we can talk compromise until then I will stick with the US Constitution and "shall not be infringed"

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[Col Hogan]

The only thing that's more evil than government is not having any government at all.

You can effectively lose a government and become the wild west for various lengths of time from a natural disaster, EMP attack, solar flare, nuclear war, civil unrest, pandemic, or things like that. If that happens I don't want some stupid gun that needs a battery recharge or needs some central server or satellite to operate.

Lol wut? If progressive societies thought in terms of apocalyptic scenarios and a breakdown of all social norms, humanity would never advance. That's some real prepper stuff you've listed. If we're to fear those things, people might as well ditch technological advancements and go back to the very basics.

Even if, we'd likely see a more communal scenario than some free-for-all, Mad Max apocalypse.

I swear some of you are so paranoid, as if the entire world is out to get you.

So, you think being prepared to take care of my family is paranoid???

Got it...

[∞∞∞]

Lol wut? If progressive societies thought in terms of apocalyptic scenarios and a breakdown of all social norms, humanity would never advance. That's some real prepper stuff you've listed. If we're to fear those things, people might as well ditch technological advancements and go back to the very basics.

Even if, we'd likely see a more communal scenario than some free-for-all, Mad Max apocalypse.

I swear some of you are so paranoid, as if the entire world is out to get you.

So, you think being prepared to take care of my family is paranoid???

Got it...

Prepared for EMP attacks, solar flares, nuclear wars, civil unrest, and pandemics?

Absolutely.

[Chizzang]

This... cracked me up

[houndawg]

A CCW holder will need their weapon to work in their entire state as well as all states in which they enjoy reciprocity (typically two thirds of the country). Good luck with your smart technology there. In addition, in Delaware, my State Constitution's Bill of Rights (Article I, § 20) guarantees me "the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use." So even if I don't hold a CCW, I'm entitled to hunt on any private land I have permission, any public land where I am authorized, shooting ranges, my home, etc. That'll be a fun algorithm to write.

Your dream isn't feasible without infringing on my rights.

So you better get going on rallying the 38 states you'll need to pass the repeal of the Bill of Rights.

I am asking this sincerely. Understand I own guns and my son is a hunter, so I'm not about taking away people's guns. That being said, if they did get the 38 states and repealed the 2nd amendment, do you think people would really give up their guns? I ask because a huge argument about keeping guns is the Constitution. So if that were to be changed, would people really just "well, the Constitution says I can't have guns so I guess I will turn these in." ??

I know guys like Alpha say you would have to take them from his cold, dead hands. But what about the majority of gun owners? I'm curious the opinion of everyone here.

he'll do like the rest of the windbags and roll over and present when the drone arrives.