Breaking: Santa Fe Texas School Shooting

[houndawg]

Or you know, law enforcement is exempted and get dumb firearms.

We clearly have an issue in this nation with gun deaths. It doesn't seem like 2nd amendment supporters want to compromise at all, although technology could potentially solve a lot of issues. If multi-ton machines travelling at highway speeds can reduce deaths by making them smart, firearms can get the same treatment.

You're at home? The firearm can go off. You're at a school? It can't.

Private businesses can do what they please.

You guys give up abortion then we can talk compromise until then I will stick with the US Constitution and "shall not be infringed"

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if the militia needs your services they will issue you a weapon at that time.

[AZGrizFan]

So, you think being prepared to take care of my family is paranoid???

Got it...

Prepared for EMP attacks, solar flares, nuclear wars, civil unrest, and pandemics?

Absolutely.

Good God you’re naive.

[Gil Dobie]

All this talk about taking guns away, mental stability etc. Why don't we have security at schools, like we do at court houses, sports stadiums or airports? Are our children in school, not as important as these the people that use these venues? I'm sure most think the children are important, but it's the American way to take political sides and agrue who's right, while these shooters continue to walk into schools and shoot.

I thought I read this school had armed security, as did the last shooting, right? So just having an armed resource officer isn't enough. Better security all around is needed.

Airports, court houses and sports stadiums have more than just armed security. Sounds like the school had a couple people on duty, but not like it could be. As you mentioned, better security all around.

[BDKJMU]

The only thing that's more evil than government is not having any government at all.

You can effectively lose a government and become the wild west for various lengths of time from a natural disaster, EMP attack, solar flare, nuclear war, civil unrest, pandemic, or things like that. If that happens I don't want some stupid gun that needs a battery recharge or needs some central server or satellite to operate.

Lol wut? If progressive societies thought in terms of apocalyptic scenarios and a breakdown of all social norms, humanity would never advance. That's some real prepper stuff you've listed. If we're to fear those things, people might as well ditch technological advancements and go back to the very basics.

Even if, we'd likely see a more communal scenario than some free-for-all, Mad Max apocalypse.

I swear some of you are so paranoid, as if the entire world is out to get you.

A naturally occurring EMP like the 1859 Carrington, or one from a nuke, isn’t that far fetched happpening in our lifetimes, where you’re so called ‘smart’ guns would become nothing more than expensive paperweights. No thank you.

[∞∞∞]

Lol wut? If progressive societies thought in terms of apocalyptic scenarios and a breakdown of all social norms, humanity would never advance. That's some real prepper stuff you've listed. If we're to fear those things, people might as well ditch technological advancements and go back to the very basics.

Even if, we'd likely see a more communal scenario than some free-for-all, Mad Max apocalypse.

I swear some of you are so paranoid, as if the entire world is out to get you.

A naturally occurring EMP like the 1859 Carrington, or one from a nuke, isn’t that far fetched happpening in our lifetimes, where you’re so called ‘smart’ guns would become nothing more than expensive paperweights. No thank you.

Oh no, how will society ever survive without guns during a solar storm?! It's going to be a madhouse out there...everyone for themselves...a complete breakdown of society.

I swear, it's like some of you think the first tool invented by man is a gun.

[Ibanez]

So, you think being prepared to take care of my family is paranoid???

Got it...

Prepared for EMP attacks, solar flares, nuclear wars, civil unrest, and pandemics?

Absolutely.

Trip - being prepared for an emergency is SMART not PARANOIA. Have the essentials to survive for a short while when power gets restored, you can get home, during civil unrest (because, that hasn't happened in America lately) is good planning. In 1989, a Cat 5/4 hurricane struck Charleston. It took us 2.5 weeks to get out of our neighborhood and another 3 months for power to be restored. It's those sort of events that you should "prep" for. A solar flare triggering an outage of our technology dependent world is a reality.

[Ibanez]

A naturally occurring EMP like the 1859 Carrington, or one from a nuke, isn’t that far fetched happpening in our lifetimes, where you’re so called ‘smart’ guns would become nothing more than expensive paperweights. No thank you.

Oh no, how will society ever survive without guns during a solar storm?! It's going to be a madhouse out there...everyone for themselves...a complete breakdown of society.

I swear, it's like some of you think the first tool invented by man is a gun.

Even the most logical, government reports of life after an EMP suggest chaos and a breakdown in society. Our society would honestly lose it's mind if it was thrust back into the 19th Century. No running water, electricity, refrigeration, etc... People would go crazy. We already see it happening during storms...so why not something more widespread and longer lasting?

[AZGrizFan]

Prepared for EMP attacks, solar flares, nuclear wars, civil unrest, and pandemics?

Absolutely.

Trip - being prepared for an emergency is SMART not PARANOIA. Have the essentials to survive for a short while when power gets restored, you can get home, during civil unrest (because, that hasn't happened in America lately) is good planning. In 1989, a Cat 5/4 hurricane struck Charleston. It took us 2.5 weeks to get out of our neighborhood and another 3 months for power to be restored. It's those sort of events that you should "prep" for. A solar flare triggering an outage of our technology dependent world is a reality.

Trip's good. The government will take care of him always.

[∞∞∞]

Prepared for EMP attacks, solar flares, nuclear wars, civil unrest, and pandemics?

Absolutely.

Trip - being prepared for an emergency is SMART not PARANOIA. Have the essentials to survive for a short while when power gets restored, you can get home, during civil unrest (because, that hasn't happened in America lately) is good planning. In 1989, a Cat 5/4 hurricane struck Charleston. It took us 2.5 weeks to get out of our neighborhood and another 3 months for power to be restored. It's those sort of events that you should "prep" for. A solar flare triggering an outage of our technology dependent world is a reality.

I don't disagree that having provisions to get through 2-3 weeks is a bad idea. I don't think a gun is part of that equation though.

[∞∞∞]

Oh no, how will society ever survive without guns during a solar storm?! It's going to be a madhouse out there...everyone for themselves...a complete breakdown of society.

I swear, it's like some of you think the first tool invented by man is a gun.

Even the most logical, government reports of life after an EMP suggest chaos and a breakdown in society. Our society would honestly lose it's mind if it was thrust back into the 19th Century. No running water, electricity, refrigeration, etc... People would go crazy. We already see it happening during storms...so why not something more widespread and longer lasting?

We see it happening during storms? Life sucks, but it's not a complete breakdown of society. Puerto Rico hasn't disintegrated into some mad house society. Even New Orleans turned out fine.

And even if all of America somehow went completely dark, it's not like we don't have allies to aid us.

Any other scenario...nuclear war to the entire world thrown off the grid...is prepper stuff.

[Ibanez]

Trip - being prepared for an emergency is SMART not PARANOIA. Have the essentials to survive for a short while when power gets restored, you can get home, during civil unrest (because, that hasn't happened in America lately) is good planning. In 1989, a Cat 5/4 hurricane struck Charleston. It took us 2.5 weeks to get out of our neighborhood and another 3 months for power to be restored. It's those sort of events that you should "prep" for. A solar flare triggering an outage of our technology dependent world is a reality.

I don't disagree that having provisions to get through 2-3 weeks is a bad idea. I don't think a gun is part of that equation though.

Sure it could be. What if someone wants the water supply you've saved up.

Or what if you want to hunt for your food?

[∞∞∞]

I don't disagree that having provisions to get through 2-3 weeks is a bad idea. I don't think a gun is part of that equation though.

Sure it could be. What if someone wants the water supply you've saved up.

Or what if you want to hunt for your food?

I'll prepare for a storm or a long blackout; I'm not paranoid enough to prepare for a Mad Max style society.

And for some insane reason all hell has broken loose and I'm living in a post-apocalyptic world, we have things called plants, water isn't exactly a rare compound, and animals can be caught without guns. Humanity is 200,000 years old, give or take...the gun was invented in the 1300s. We'll be fine.

I'll take the benefits for smart-firearms over the risk it might not work in a post-nuclear world.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Trip - being prepared for an emergency is SMART not PARANOIA. Have the essentials to survive for a short while when power gets restored, you can get home, during civil unrest (because, that hasn't happened in America lately) is good planning. In 1989, a Cat 5/4 hurricane struck Charleston. It took us 2.5 weeks to get out of our neighborhood and another 3 months for power to be restored. It's those sort of events that you should "prep" for. A solar flare triggering an outage of our technology dependent world is a reality.

I don't disagree that having provisions to get through 2-3 weeks is a bad idea. I don't think a gun is part of that equation though.

Then people like you wont make it through 3 weeks, Im cool with that, I might need more supplies.

[∞∞∞]

I don't disagree that having provisions to get through 2-3 weeks is a bad idea. I don't think a gun is part of that equation though.

Then people like you wont make it through 3 weeks, Im cool with that, I might need more supplies.

Where the hell do you guys live that you have such a complete fear of people descending into madness?

It seems like some solitary picture of a guy being a dick in a crisis is what vindicates your thinking. In reality, humans are communal, resilient, clever, and very good at getting through crises.

[Gil Dobie]

Then people like you wont make it through 3 weeks, Im cool with that, I might need more supplies.

Where the hell do you guys live that you have such a complete fear of people descending into madness?

It seems like some solitary picture of a guy being a dick in a crisis is what vindicates your thinking. In reality, humans are communal, resilient, clever, and very good at getting through crises.

The news media, when they show the looting after a hurricane, tsunami or other natural disaster.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Then people like you wont make it through 3 weeks, Im cool with that, I might need more supplies.

Where the hell do you guys live that you have such a complete fear of people descending into madness?

It seems like some solitary picture of a guy being a dick in a crisis is what vindicates your thinking. In reality, humans are communal, resilient, clever, and very good at getting through crises.

Why the hell do you people have a complete PR campaign trying to sell other that want to be prepared in all situations that we are fearful or mad?

Is that your own security blanket, like your limited brain is trying to help you feel better about your choice to be a victim? It seems like you have no clue about what people are really capable of and yes some are gonna get through a major crisis but many others are going to die because they chose to not be prepared and defend their property, provisions and family.

Im cool with your choice, we need people like you out there

[Ibanez]

Even the most logical, government reports of life after an EMP suggest chaos and a breakdown in society. Our society would honestly lose it's mind if it was thrust back into the 19th Century. No running water, electricity, refrigeration, etc... People would go crazy. We already see it happening during storms...so why not something more widespread and longer lasting?

We see it happening during storms? Life sucks, but it's not a complete breakdown of society. Puerto Rico hasn't disintegrated into some mad house society. Even New Orleans turned out fine.

And even if all of America somehow went completely dark, it's not like we don't have allies to aid us.

Any other scenario...nuclear war to the entire world thrown off the grid...is prepper stuff.

Looting is always the beginning. But imagine the scale of looting with better weather and a police force that can't get to the scene nor can it communicate.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-stor ... SKCN1BN2RA

https://www.thedailybeast.com/in-puerto ... to-survive

Incidents like these are common in the capital, where men carrying bats and clubs have been seen on the streets during curfew hours. The mayor of San Juan, Carmen Yulin Cruz, told WAPA Radio, “We highly advise everyone not to be on the streets at night. It is not safe,” warning that reports of looting are on the rise.

Low scale. It happens.

[Ivytalk]

We see it happening during storms? Life sucks, but it's not a complete breakdown of society. Puerto Rico hasn't disintegrated into some mad house society. Even New Orleans turned out fine.

And even if all of America somehow went completely dark, it's not like we don't have allies to aid us.

Any other scenario...nuclear war to the entire world thrown off the grid...is prepper stuff.

Looting is always the beginning. But imagine the scale of looting with better weather and a police force that can't get to the scene nor can it communicate.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-stor ... SKCN1BN2RA

https://www.thedailybeast.com/in-puerto ... to-survive

Incidents like these are common in the capital, where men carrying bats and clubs have been seen on the streets during curfew hours. The mayor of San Juan, Carmen Yulin Boobs, told WAPA Radio, “We highly advise everyone not to be on the streets at night. It is not safe,” warning that reports of looting are on the rise.

Low scale. It happens.

Is Carmen Yulin Boobs related to Ted Boobs?

[Ibanez]

Sure it could be. What if someone wants the water supply you've saved up.

Or what if you want to hunt for your food?

I'll prepare for a storm or a long blackout; I'm not paranoid enough to prepare for a Mad Max style society.

And for some insane reason all hell has broken loose and I'm living in a post-apocalyptic world, we have things called plants, water isn't exactly a rare compound, and animals can be caught without guns. Humanity is 200,000 years old, give or take...the gun was invented in the 1300s. We'll be fine.

I'll take the benefits for smart-firearms over the risk it might not work in a post-nuclear world.

Can you identify which plants are and aren't edible?
How good at you starting a fire without matches or a lighter?
How will you purify water? You going to boil it? Go back to my second question.
Do you know how to make a good snare trap? Are you in an area that has that sort of wildlife (considering the real hunters haven't already killed everything and used old techniques to store it?)

Do you take any medicines?


Water isn't rare - but for the longest it wasn't the best source to quench your thirst. That was left to mead, wine and beer. Which brings me back to my 1st two questions in case you want to ferment it.


It isn't paranoia, Trip. I'm not a prepper by any stretch of the imagination. But i'm prepared to start a fire with a fire starter (currently learning how to use a bow or anything I can find around my house), boil water and cook meals with local flora and fauna if necessary.

[Ibanez]

Then people like you wont make it through 3 weeks, Im cool with that, I might need more supplies.

Where the hell do you guys live that you have such a complete fear of people descending into madness?

It seems like some solitary picture of a guy being a dick in a crisis is what vindicates your thinking. In reality, humans are communal, resilient, clever, and very good at getting through crises.

They are. But they are also creatures of habit and easily scared. If something truly terrible did happen, it would be madness. I think eventually things would calm down. But there'd be "the troubles",so to speak, until law and order is reestablished.

[Ibanez]

Notice - i'm not talking about guns. I'm talking about survival.

[∞∞∞]

Where the hell do you guys live that you have such a complete fear of people descending into madness?

It seems like some solitary picture of a guy being a dick in a crisis is what vindicates your thinking. In reality, humans are communal, resilient, clever, and very good at getting through crises.

Why the hell do you people have a complete PR campaign trying to sell other that want to be prepared in all situations that we are fearful or mad?

Is that your own security blanket, like your limited brain is trying to help you feel better about your choice to be a victim? It seems like you have no clue about what people are really capable of and yes some are gonna get through a major crisis but many others are going to die because they chose to not be prepared and defend their property, provisions and family.

Im cool with your choice, we need people like you out there

Because I'm calling it out for what it is...fear and madness, with a little paranoia sprinkled in there. It honestly borders on Expandos-style thinking.

You do you though...prepare for whatever scary scenarios go through your head. I'll be over here advocating technological advancements in firearms with complete disregard of post-apocalyptic scenarios as the basis for why we shouldn't have them.

[∞∞∞]

Where the hell do you guys live that you have such a complete fear of people descending into madness?

It seems like some solitary picture of a guy being a dick in a crisis is what vindicates your thinking. In reality, humans are communal, resilient, clever, and very good at getting through crises.

They are. But they are also creatures of habit and easily scared. If something truly terrible did happen, it would be madness. I think eventually things would calm down. But there'd be "the troubles",so to speak, until law and order is reestablished.

Can we be dicks to each other? For sure. But more often than not, we're very good at helping each other. You see it in natural disasters, you see it in wars, and you see it in day-to-day life.

Humans aren't some solitary species.

Anyways, I feel like this conversation is descending into some weird rabbit hole, and I have actual work to do...to make better my tiny slice of the world, keep American's economy going, or something like that.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Nothing scary goes through my head, Im prepared. I have the best life of anyone you know, zero dear, zero madness.

[Ibanez]

They are. But they are also creatures of habit and easily scared. If something truly terrible did happen, it would be madness. I think eventually things would calm down. But there'd be "the troubles",so to speak, until law and order is reestablished.

Can we be dicks to each other? For sure. But more often than not, we're very good at helping each other. You see it in natural disasters, you see it in wars, and you see it in day-to-day life.

Humans aren't some solitary species.

Anyways, I feel like this conversation is descending into some weird rabbit hole, and I have actual work to do...to make better my tiny slice of the world, keep American's economy going, or something like that.

Don't all conversations eventual digress to something weird? Have a good day, Trip.