The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

[JohnStOnge]

And three of Trumps 5 quarters are higher than 8 of the 9 previous quarters heading into his presidency.

And Trump didn’t even enter office until almost a month into the 1st qtr 2017, so that chart only shows his 1st 4 full quarters. So really 3 of his 1st 4 full quarters are higher than 9 of the previous 10..

There is no way anybody looking at those charts who did not know anything about who was in power when would say that something happened around the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017 to change things. Especially the annual charts. There just isn't any obvious "take off" in GDP growth there.

[JohnStOnge]

And three of Trumps 5 quarters are higher than 8 of the 9 previous quarters heading into his presidency.

And Trump didn’t even enter office until almost a month into the 1st qtr 2017, so that chart only shows his 1st 4 full quarters. So really 3 of his 1st 4 full quarters are higher than 9 of the previous 10..

And 3 of his 4 1st full quarters are higher than 9 of the previous 12. There is no way anybody looking at those charts who did not know anything about who was in power when would say that something happened around the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017 to change things. Especially the annual charts. There just isn't any obvious "take off" in GDP growth there.

The idea that we were floundering under Obama then all of a sudden things just took off after Trump got elected is just not supported by the data at this point.

[BDKJMU]

Trumps 1st 500 days:
-Stock market is currently up more than 33% (or a third) since President Trump won the election. The Dow has reached more than 26,000 points for the first time in its history. The Dow broke the record for the fastest 500, 1,000, 2,000, 3,000, 4,000, 5,000, 6,000 and 7,000 point increases between major milestones in the history of the Dow since Donald Trump was elected President.

Dow today stands at 24,635. It had more all-time closing highs in 2017 and the Dow increased more in 2017 than any year in history. President Trump enjoys 95 all-time highs since his election and 78 since his inauguration. The Dow, S&P 500 and Russell 2000 all set record highs since the election.

-UnemploymentToday there are more people working than at any time in US history. Under President Trump the US has set the record for the most Americans in the work force nine times. More than 155 million people are working in the US today and only 6 million Americans are unemployed, an amount not seen since 2001. Nearly 3 million jobs have been created since President Trump took office and more than 600,000 of these are related to manufacturing and construction.

-GDP growth rate is expected to be 4.8% in the 2nd Quarter this year according to the Atlanta Fed. At the end of the 1st Quarter 2018 the national GDP reached nearly $20 trillion for the highest recorded GDP in US history.

-Tax cuts
-Gorsuch
-Confirmed the most circuit court judges of any President in his first year.
-Dismantling Obama’s climate change initiatives.
-Travel bans for individuals from a select number of countries embroiled in terrorist atrocities.
-Mandating for every new regulation eliminating two.
-Approving Keystone and Dakota pipelines.
-Reducing regulations on manufacturers.
-Beginning construction of the border wall.
-Increased immigration enforcement.
-Deportations up.

-Exiting the US from the TPP.
-Victory over ISIS
-Asia trip with 300 billion deals for the US.
-US Embassy moved to Jerusalem
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/0 ... in-office/

[JohnStOnge]

I'll get to the other stuff. For now I'll just do the quarterly real (inflation adjusted) GDP growth in all of the quarters since the "great recession ended near the end of the second quarter of 2009. I couldn't find a chart on line so I downloaded Bureau of Economic Analysis estimates and made one in Excel. Here it is:



"1" is the 3rd quarter of 2009 and "35" is the 1st quarter of 2018. There is just no way anyone would look at that and say that there's any indication of some big change in things occurred recently during the period since the "great recession ended" I also did a statistical test and, of course, there would not be sufficient evidence by convention to say anything has changed. When I did the test I left out the 1st quarter of 2017 as transitional. I compared 3rd quarter of 2009 through 4th quarter 2016 to 2nd quarter 2017 through 1st quarter 2018.

If the second quarter of 2018 is indeed 4.8 that won't really change the basic picture. You'll have a bar on the graph that's a little shorter than the one at the "21" position and a little higher than the two (each 4.6) at the "10" and "20" positions.

If something happens after that then maybe you'll have something. But right now you don't. BTW I heard on NPR that somebody was estimating 2.8% annual growth for 2018. I just looked it up and saw some 2.9% projections (example at http://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/ ... C/WEOWORLD). If that happens that's going to be within the range of what's going on since the end of the "great recession."

[AZGrizFan]

John, even if we stipulated that “there’s no indication of some big change” (which we won’t), you’re ignoring the OTHER 25 things Trumps administration has accomplished that are all “big change in things”...you really aren’t going to win this discussion getting micro focused on GDP. Really, you’re not going to win this discussion at all. Your hatred for all things trump has blinded you to reality.

[JohnStOnge]

John, even if we stipulated that “there’s no indication of some big change” (which we won’t), you’re ignoring the OTHER 25 things Trumps administration has accomplished that are all “big change in things”...you really aren’t going to win this discussion getting micro focused on GDP. Really, you’re not going to win this discussion at all. Your hatred for all things trump has blinded you to reality.

I said I'd get to the other things. Not the Gorsuch thing. That is what it is. But take, for instance, this article on what was going on with ISIS in March, 2016:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/16/map ... -and-fast/

It's another example of a tend that was already in place before Trump took office. The handwriting was well established on the wall for ISIS holding its "Caliphate" territory well before the 2016 election. It's not like ISIS was expanding or even holding steady territory-wise until the mighty Trump took office.

I already won this argument because what I'm saying IS reality. The detachment from reality is among those who buy all that crap.

[CID1990]

John, even if we stipulated that “there’s no indication of some big change” (which we won’t), you’re ignoring the OTHER 25 things Trumps administration has accomplished that are all “big change in things”...you really aren’t going to win this discussion getting micro focused on GDP. Really, you’re not going to win this discussion at all. Your hatred for all things trump has blinded you to reality.

I said I'd get to the other things. Not the Gorsuch thing. That is what it is. But take, for instance, this article on what was going on with ISIS in March, 2016:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/16/map ... -and-fast/

It's another example of a tend that was already in place before Trump took office. The handwriting was well established on the wall for ISIS holding its "Caliphate" territory well before the 2016 election. It's not like ISIS was expanding or even holding steady territory-wise until the mighty Trump took office.

I already won this argument because what I'm saying IS reality. The detachment from reality is among those who buy all that crap.

Trump actually DID accelerate the demise of ISIS

But not by having a specific “better plan” and especially not by “knowing better than the generals” on how to do it

it was precisely because the White House turned the minutiae of military planning back over to those generals, who had been micromanaged into gridlock by the last Natsec advisor

That is a fact

[JohnStOnge]

It had more all-time closing highs in 2017 and the Dow increased more in 2017 than any year in history.

I picked that quote one because it allows me to get to the bottom line. 2017 was a good year for the Dow. But it was not the best in history. What counts is the return. By what percentage did value increase?

2017 was a good year. The return was 25.08%. But it was not the highest return in history. See http://www.1stock1.com/1stock1_139.htm. That's not all of history. It just goes back through 1975. But a 25.08% return ranks 9th among the 43 years in the 1975-2017 period.

Also, the return was 26.50% in 2013; which means that there was a year during the Obama Presidency characterized by a higher return.

And what do you think the return is going to be for 2018?

[JohnStOnge]

I said I'd get to the other things. Not the Gorsuch thing. That is what it is. But take, for instance, this article on what was going on with ISIS in March, 2016:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/16/map ... -and-fast/

It's another example of a tend that was already in place before Trump took office. The handwriting was well established on the wall for ISIS holding its "Caliphate" territory well before the 2016 election. It's not like ISIS was expanding or even holding steady territory-wise until the mighty Trump took office.

I already won this argument because what I'm saying IS reality. The detachment from reality is among those who buy all that crap.

Trump actually DID accelerate the demise of ISIS

But not by having a specific “better plan” and especially not by “knowing better than the generals” on how to do it

it was precisely because the White House turned the minutiae of military planning back over to those generals, who had been micromanaged into gridlock by the last Natsec advisor

That is a fact

No, the conclusion that what you're describing accelerated the demise of ISIS is an opinion. It's not a fact.

I will say that the loss of territory by ISIS did accelerate some:



From http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -near-100/

But there was no doubt that the handwriting was on the wall for ISIS. It was clear prior to the 2016 election that they were being beaten back and were inevitably going to lose the "Caliphate" concept. And it wasn't going to be long in historical terms.

Otherwise: I wouldn't use the term "demise" yet for ISIS. They are still active. They aren't going to have their "Caliphate." But they are still around.

[AZGrizFan]

Lol...just admit it....you wouldn’t give the man credit for ANYTHING. No matter the mountain of evidence.

[Gil Dobie]

Trump actually DID accelerate the demise of ISIS

But not by having a specific “better plan” and especially not by “knowing better than the generals” on how to do it

it was precisely because the White House turned the minutiae of military planning back over to those generals, who had been micromanaged into gridlock by the last Natsec advisor

That is a fact

No, the conclusion that what you're describing accelerated the demise of ISIS is an opinion. It's not a fact.

I will say that the loss of territory by ISIS did accelerate some:



From http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -near-100/

But there was no doubt that the handwriting was on the wall for ISIS. It was clear prior to the 2016 election that they were being beaten back and were inevitably going to lose the "Caliphate" concept. And it wasn't going to be long in historical terms.

John, you owe me a sweet tea and a computer keyboard on that one. Your chart, if I'm reading it correctly, shows ISIS losing around 90% of the land it controlled, in a short period.

[JohnStOnge]

-Exiting the US from the TPP.

Whether that was a smart decision remains to be seen. We will see.

[JohnStOnge]

-Mandating for every new regulation eliminating two.

That's just stupid. I know some of you guys have commented on how you have gotten around it technically but it's one of those things somebody does because it sounds good to ignorant people.

[CID1990]

Trump actually DID accelerate the demise of ISIS

But not by having a specific “better plan” and especially not by “knowing better than the generals” on how to do it

it was precisely because the White House turned the minutiae of military planning back over to those generals, who had been micromanaged into gridlock by the last Natsec advisor

That is a fact

No, the conclusion that what you're describing accelerated the demise of ISIS is an opinion. It's not a fact.

I will say that the loss of territory by ISIS did accelerate some:



From http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -near-100/

But there was no doubt that the handwriting was on the wall for ISIS. It was clear prior to the 2016 election that they were being beaten back and were inevitably going to lose the "Caliphate" concept. And it wasn't going to be long in historical terms.

Otherwise: I wouldn't use the term "demise" yet for ISIS. They are still active. They aren't going to have their "Caliphate." But they are still around.

That the WH has given military commanders more free rein is a fact, John. Not opinion.

That a broad spectrum of military commanders will tell you that being more "weapons free" greatly accelerated the demise of ISIS will have to wait for them to retire and write their books, which I am sure you will duly dispute


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[SDHornet]

Of course you fail to point out the other items of immigration reform the D's wouldn't negotiate on,

Like what? Go ahead and list them so I can look into it.

He got called out for being demonstrably wrong when he tried to be specific... I think he'll just stick to the nebulous "other items" going forward.

Actually the "other items" I was referring to was this part of the article JSO linked:

But White House officials and Congressional Republicans said a wall alone is not enough. Any deal must also end so-called chain migration, which allows legal immigrants to bring family members into the country, and the diversity visa lottery program, which allows citizens of countries underrepresented among U.S. immigrants to apply for green cards by lottery.

Clearly you didn't read the article just like JSO didn't since he "can look into it". He just grabbed a click bait article that fit his weak narrative and posted it...much like you do on your comical Russia abortion thread. Be better tomorrow...both of you.

[Ivytalk]

John doesn’t understand that there is no such thing as objective reality.

There is only agreement reality.

Reality is a social construct, nothing more.

[BDKJMU]

I knew when I posted that Trump 1st 500 days accomplishments yesterday it would set JSO's TDS off. He hasn't disappointed. Already 1/2 doz posts, charts, graphs..

[houndawg]

Trumps 1st 500 days:
-Stock market is currently up more than 33% (or a third) since President Trump won the election. The Dow has reached more than 26,000 points for the first time in its history. The Dow broke the record for the fastest 500, 1,000, 2,000, 3,000, 4,000, 5,000, 6,000 and 7,000 point increases between major milestones in the history of the Dow since Donald Trump was elected President.

Dow today stands at 24,635. It had more all-time closing highs in 2017 and the Dow increased more in 2017 than any year in history. President Trump enjoys 95 all-time highs since his election and 78 since his inauguration. The Dow, S&P 500 and Russell 2000 all set record highs since the election.

-UnemploymentToday there are more people working than at any time in US history. Under President Trump the US has set the record for the most Americans in the work force nine times. More than 155 million people are working in the US today and only 6 million Americans are unemployed, an amount not seen since 2001. Nearly 3 million jobs have been created since President Trump took office and more than 600,000 of these are related to manufacturing and construction.

-GDP growth rate is expected to be 4.8% in the 2nd Quarter this year according to the Atlanta Fed. At the end of the 1st Quarter 2018 the national GDP reached nearly $20 trillion for the highest recorded GDP in US history.

-Tax cuts
-Gorsuch
-Confirmed the most circuit court judges of any President in his first year.
-Dismantling Obama’s climate change initiatives.
-Travel bans for individuals from a select number of countries embroiled in terrorist atrocities.
-Mandating for every new regulation eliminating two.
-Approving Keystone and Dakota pipelines.
-Reducing regulations on manufacturers.
-Beginning construction of the border wall.
-Increased immigration enforcement.
-Deportations up.

-Exiting the US from the TPP.
-Victory over ISIS
-Asia trip with 300 billion deals for the US.
-US Embassy moved to Jerusalem
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/0 ... in-office/

Fake news manufactured by professional liars.

[JohnStOnge]

John doesn’t understand that there is no such thing as objective reality.

There is only agreement reality.

Reality is a social construct, nothing more.

If you don't think there is such a thing as objective reality, you are the one that does not understand. That would be shocking because being accepted to an Ivy League school means you are very smart. But it is nevertheless true.

And that is so even if you were just trolling.

[JohnStOnge]

No, the conclusion that what you're describing accelerated the demise of ISIS is an opinion. It's not a fact.

I will say that the loss of territory by ISIS did accelerate some:



From http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -near-100/

But there was no doubt that the handwriting was on the wall for ISIS. It was clear prior to the 2016 election that they were being beaten back and were inevitably going to lose the "Caliphate" concept. And it wasn't going to be long in historical terms.

John, you owe me a sweet tea and a computer keyboard on that one. Your chart, if I'm reading it correctly, shows ISIS losing around 90% of the land it controlled, in a short period.

Yes. ISIS lost 93% of the territory it had gained between January 1, 2015, and January 1, 2018. But, of course, the period involved started a little more than 2 years before Trump took office.

And, yes, there is larger drop between January 1, 2017 and January 1, 2018, than there was during the previous years depicted. But there is zero doubt that ISIS was being beaten back. It was over for them.

To tell you the truth, I'd want to learn more about historical patterns before I reached a final opinion. For example: If you were to look at German held territory in WWII after D-Day, would you have seen it diminishing more slowly at first then having the reduction accelerate? Is there kind of a break point where that typically happens?

I don't know. For now, all I know is that ISIS was clearly being beaten back already but the "beat back" rate increased between January 2017 and January 2018.

[Ivytalk]

John doesn’t understand that there is no such thing as objective reality.

There is only agreement reality.

Reality is a social construct, nothing more.

If you don't think there is such a thing as objective reality, you are the one that does not understand. That would be shocking because being accepted to an Ivy League school means you are very smart. But it is nevertheless true.

And that is so even if you were just trolling.

We’re talking about social science reality, not I-stubbed-my-toe-on-an-imaginary-coffee-table reality. But you knew that.

[AZGrizFan]

God DAMN this is fun. Lol

[JohnStOnge]

Speaking of reality, I don't know if Trump is genuinely separated from an understanding of it or if it's all just throwing bullshit knowing he's throwing bullshit. But he was at it again with another head-shaking denial of reality. You can see it if you watch the first video at http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/08/trump ... rth-korea/.

If you listen to it you'll see him say this:

You know these one week preparations, they don't work. Just ask Hillary what happened to her in the debates.

Of course the problem with that is that Hillary won all three debates. The video below is on CNN/ORC polling but all of the scientific polling said the same thing. And, as you'll note in watching the video, the 52% to 39% margin Clinton enjoyed among debate watchers for the final debate was the SMALLEST margin for her in any of the three debates.

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She kicked Trump's ass in those debates. Here's an article on the situation:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-gov ... 43347.html

Now, the last debate was on October 19. And later on Comey dropped his last minute bomb on Clinton. But whatever Clinton did in preparation for the debates worked better than what Trump did.

[Ivytalk]

I don't know if Trump is genuinely separated from an understanding of reality or if it's all just throwing bullshit knowing he's throwing bullshit. But he was at it again with another head-shaking denial of reality. You can see it if you watch the first video at http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/08/trump ... rth-korea/.

If you listen to it you'll see him say this:

You know these one week preparations, they don't work. Just ask Hillary what happened to her in the debates.

Of course the problem with that is that Hillary won all three debates. The video below is on CNN/ORC polling but all of the scientific polling said the same thing. And, as you'll note in watching the video, the 52% to 39% margin Clinton enjoyed among debate watchers for the final debate was the SMALLEST margin for her in any of the three debates.

She kicked Trump's ass in those debates. Here's an article on the situation:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-gov ... 43347.html

Now, the last debate was on October 19. And later on Comey dropped his last minute bomb on Clinton. But whatever Clinton did in preparation for the debates worked better than what Trump did.

I know an Ivy League board-certified shrink in Baton Rouge who would be happy to talk to you. Smart guy. But you know that.

[JohnStOnge]

I don't know if Trump is genuinely separated from an understanding of reality or if it's all just throwing bullshit knowing he's throwing bullshit. But he was at it again with another head-shaking denial of reality. You can see it if you watch the first video at http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/08/trump ... rth-korea/.

If you listen to it you'll see him say this:



Of course the problem with that is that Hillary won all three debates. The video below is on CNN/ORC polling but all of the scientific polling said the same thing. And, as you'll note in watching the video, the 52% to 39% margin Clinton enjoyed among debate watchers for the final debate was the SMALLEST margin for her in any of the three debates.

She kicked Trump's ass in those debates. Here's an article on the situation:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-gov ... 43347.html

Now, the last debate was on October 19. And later on Comey dropped his last minute bomb on Clinton. But whatever Clinton did in preparation for the debates worked better than what Trump did.

I know an Ivy League board-certified shrink in Baton Rouge who would be happy to talk to you. Smart guy. But you know that.

Whether I've got issues or not is irrelevant. We've got somebody who has serious mental issues as President right now.