The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

[Ibanez]

Good for the Owner.


Sarah Sanders response, "We should be able to disagree respectfully," is an argument I've noticed the right makes all the time, to great effect, despite their actual actions.

When I hurt you, it's okay. But you can't hurt me back, because I am polite.

You intellectualize an aggression against opponents, frame the response as uncalled for, irrational, a violation of civility or rights, etc., and use it to justify the original aggression (or further ones):

Solid points, but I think it’s a fucking stupid thing for owner to do. It just fuels the fire. I welcome anyone into my establishment as long as they respect the rules, laws, staff, and other patrons...

Except the Irish.

Damn - I didn't realize Rock Ridge was so accommodating!!

[AZGrizFan]

I'm glad; Hogg is fighting the good fight.

God-willing, I have a long life ahead of me. I want to die leaving this nation better than I was born into it.

I want "The New Colossus" to mean something again. I want truth to be respected. I want to destroy the military-industrial complex. I want the second gilded age to end. I want America to be the pinnacle of human rights. But most importantly, I want morality to rule the day.

This isn't about targeting people because they're Republican, conservative, or whatever. This is about targeting people who...freely...help formulate and defend immoral policies.

What good comes out of targeting someone that isn't elected? Target the elected official. Remove Trump and Sanders goes away.

It's low class, IMO.

More than just “low class”...it’s a mob mentality that’s taken over the donks...and it’s fucking dangerous.

[CID1990]

Trump isn't trying to flip Congress.

Once again, you're being irrelevant. The Democrats are risking looking just as bad if not worse than Trump apologists. That's what I'm talking about. You are talking about "but Trump"

No, but Trump IS trying to hold on to congress. (Ha! See what I did there?)

I was merely commenting on how the Trump phenomenon has challenged the old paradigm of political decorum. I'm not even sure that's a bad thing. The interesting question for me being that since his aggression didn't turn off too many independents in 2016, can similar abrasive tactics not be a detriment to Democrats in 2018 or do they need to remain the party of pussy/nice guys in order to sway enough indies?

And yes, extrapolating the actions of a restaurant owner to whether people will vote for congressional Democratic candidates is indeed a bit irrelevant. But it can still lead to a fun discussion until you piss on it.

BTW, if we're discussing election ramifications rather than comparing policy, it can't really be "but Trump". It would be nice if you could follow along a little better.

Well let’s see... what have two weeks of Nazis on the border screeching done for Dem numbers on the generic?

Down from plus 5 to plus 4

So all of your deflection aside, why don’t we just wait and see? I think a couple weeks of “social combat” or whatever they’re calling it should get us down to around plus 2 or lower

[Ibanez]

What good comes out of targeting someone that isn't elected? Target the elected official. Remove Trump and Sanders goes away.

It's low class, IMO.

More than just “low class”...it’s a mob mentality that’s taken over the donks...and it’s fucking dangerous.

I'd say that it's on both sides of the aisle. The leftists certainly take the cake but it's not exclusive to one party.

[GannonFan]

What good comes out of targeting someone that isn't elected? Target the elected official. Remove Trump and Sanders goes away.

It's low class, IMO.

More than just “low class”...it’s a mob mentality that’s taken over the donks...and it’s **** dangerous.

The irony is, that mob-mentality and the #resistance is by far the closest thing to actual fascism we have in this country today, far more than anything Trump has attempted to do so far. Trump is a buffoon, and he's led around by his ego and vanity. But in the end he's just an empty suit. He's no ideologue and he's certainly not invested enough to be a fascist. But the purity of thought, absolute opposition to divergent politics, and strict demand to toe the party line, all the while done in the spirit of fanaticism, things the left has been engaged in since the apocalypse of Trump's election, are all facets of fascism. Irony indeed.

[Ibanez]

More than just “low class”...it’s a mob mentality that’s taken over the donks...and it’s **** dangerous.

The irony is, that mob-mentality and the #resistance is by far the closest thing to actual fascism we have in this country today, far more than anything Trump has attempted to do so far. Trump is a buffoon, and he's led around by his ego and vanity. But in the end he's just an empty suit. He's no ideologue and he's certainly not invested enough to be a fascist. But the purity of thought, absolute opposition to divergent politics, and strict demand to toe the party line, all the while done in the spirit of fanaticism, things the left has been engaged in since the apocalypse of Trump's election, are all facets of fascism. Irony indeed.

Dback would tell you that that is patriotism.

[GannonFan]

The irony is, that mob-mentality and the #resistance is by far the closest thing to actual fascism we have in this country today, far more than anything Trump has attempted to do so far. Trump is a buffoon, and he's led around by his ego and vanity. But in the end he's just an empty suit. He's no ideologue and he's certainly not invested enough to be a fascist. But the purity of thought, absolute opposition to divergent politics, and strict demand to toe the party line, all the while done in the spirit of fanaticism, things the left has been engaged in since the apocalypse of Trump's election, are all facets of fascism. Irony indeed.

Dback would tell you that that is patriotism.

So would Goebbels.

[∞∞∞]

More than just “low class”...it’s a mob mentality that’s taken over the donks...and it’s **** dangerous.

The irony is, that mob-mentality and the #resistance is by far the closest thing to actual fascism we have in this country today, far more than anything Trump has attempted to do so far. Trump is a buffoon, and he's led around by his ego and vanity. But in the end he's just an empty suit. He's no ideologue and he's certainly not invested enough to be a fascist. But the purity of thought, absolute opposition to divergent politics, and strict demand to toe the party line, all the while done in the spirit of fanaticism, things the left has been engaged in since the apocalypse of Trump's election, are all facets of fascism. Irony indeed.

I completely agree with public shaming of those who are complicit in human right abuses. This is how a society tells those that their actions are unacceptable even if it doesn't affect those immediately around them. Make them take off their hoods and be seen so we know who they are.

Ultimately, I don't give a shit anymore. I've learned the right doesn't care about optics; they're just opportunists. Even if you've done everything in a way which is entirely beyond reproach, they'll find petty BS to expand endlessly on. There is no winning strategy trying to consider stuff like the right words and the right messaging with people because they don't give a crap. They're not here to play fair; they're here to win. And win they will as long as liberals insist on playing by rules that conservatives won't even acknowledge.

I'm done with "if we keep doing things the right way, everything will work out in the end." That's magical thinking and gross civic irresponsibility, and it's the reason Democrats keep losing.

The left wing and moderates need to start a flame that is more ruthless and relentless than the other side. One side will always be labeled the monster, so you might as well win while being labeled as such.

[AZGrizFan]

The irony is, that mob-mentality and the #resistance is by far the closest thing to actual fascism we have in this country today, far more than anything Trump has attempted to do so far. Trump is a buffoon, and he's led around by his ego and vanity. But in the end he's just an empty suit. He's no ideologue and he's certainly not invested enough to be a fascist. But the purity of thought, absolute opposition to divergent politics, and strict demand to toe the party line, all the while done in the spirit of fanaticism, things the left has been engaged in since the apocalypse of Trump's election, are all facets of fascism. Irony indeed.

I completely agree with public shaming of those who are complicit in human right abuses. This is how a society tells those that their actions are unacceptable even if it doesn't affect those immediately around them. Make them take off their hoods and be seen so we know who they are.

Ultimately, I don't give a shit anymore. I've learned the right doesn't care about the optics. They're just opportunists. Even if you've done everything in a way which is entirely beyond reproach, they'll find petty BS to expand endlessly on. There is no winning strategy trying to consider stuff like the right words and the right messaging with people because they don't give a crap. They're not here to play fair; they're here to win. And win they will as long as liberals insist on playing by rules that conservatives won't even acknowledge.

I'm done with "if we keep doing things the right way, everything will work out in the end." That's magical thinking and gross civic irresponsibility, and it's the reason Democrats keep losing.

The left wing and moderates need to start a flame that is more ruthless and relentless than the other side. One side will always be labeled the monster, so you might as well win while doing it.

Oh, the fucking irony in that statement.

The reason democrats keep losing is because you fucking snowflakes protest at the drop of a hat. After the 50,000th protest, it's all just white noise and nobody gives a shit about whatever is the protest-dujour. You call anyone who disagrees with you vile names. You promote and execute physical violence against innocent bystanders to further your cause. You violently attack anyone who has a differing opinion, and make every attempt to shut them down in the name of "free speech". You are the epitome of "group think"...only people who think EXACTLY like you are tolerated, everyone else is lumped together into the "intolerables".

Sorry, pal but THAT is not what America is all about. it's obvious you (and many, many other donks) have a tin ear when it comes to understanding why someone like Trump won. Keep it up, dipshits...at this rate we may not have another donk president in my lifetime.

[AZGrizFan]

More than just “low class”...it’s a mob mentality that’s taken over the donks...and it’s **** dangerous.

The irony is, that mob-mentality and the #resistance is by far the closest thing to actual fascism we have in this country today, far more than anything Trump has attempted to do so far. Trump is a buffoon, and he's led around by his ego and vanity. But in the end he's just an empty suit. He's no ideologue and he's certainly not invested enough to be a fascist. But the purity of thought, absolute opposition to divergent politics, and strict demand to toe the party line, all the while done in the spirit of fanaticism, things the left has been engaged in since the apocalypse of Trump's election, are all facets of fascism. Irony indeed.

[∞∞∞]

Oh, the **** irony in that statement.

The reason democrats keep losing is because you **** snowflakes protest at the drop of a hat. After the 50,000th protest, it's all just white noise and nobody gives a **** about whatever is the protest-dujour. You call anyone who disagrees with you vile names. You promote and execute physical violence against innocent bystanders to further your cause. You violently attack anyone who has a differing opinion, and make every attempt to shut them down in the name of "free speech". You are the epitome of "group think"...only people who think EXACTLY like you are tolerated, everyone else is lumped together into the "intolerables".

Sorry, pal but THAT is not what America is all about. it's obvious you (and many, many other donks) have a tin ear when it comes to understanding why someone like Trump won. Keep it up, dipshits...at this rate we may not have another donk president in my lifetime.

I absolutely don't tolerate people who don't give a shit about other human beings.

I would have made a great conservative back in the day when conservatism actually meant something. Fiscal responsibility and caring about working people, the environment, and civil rights? Sounds awesome.

Now it's all about "Fuck you, I got mine." Disgusting and certainly not what America is about.

[Pwns]

So I wonder what happens if SH-S quits and then no one wants the job because they don't want to be harassed and threatened and blackballed by unhinged lunatic mobs and then Donald Trump just says "phuk it, the fake news media doesn't need to be able to talk to anyone from the administration at the white house"?

Will we get a lot of complaints about how Trumpitler McCheneyburton is waging war on the press and breaking the long-standing tradition of transparency at the white house?

[AZGrizFan]

Oh, the **** irony in that statement.

The reason democrats keep losing is because you **** snowflakes protest at the drop of a hat. After the 50,000th protest, it's all just white noise and nobody gives a **** about whatever is the protest-dujour. You call anyone who disagrees with you vile names. You promote and execute physical violence against innocent bystanders to further your cause. You violently attack anyone who has a differing opinion, and make every attempt to shut them down in the name of "free speech". You are the epitome of "group think"...only people who think EXACTLY like you are tolerated, everyone else is lumped together into the "intolerables".

Sorry, pal but THAT is not what America is all about. it's obvious you (and many, many other donks) have a tin ear when it comes to understanding why someone like Trump won. Keep it up, dipshits...at this rate we may not have another donk president in my lifetime.

I absolutely don't tolerate people who don't give a shit about other human beings.

I would have made a great conservative back in the day when conservatism actually meant something. Fiscal responsibility and caring about working people, the environment, and civil rights? Sounds awesome.

Now it's all about "Fuck you, I got mine." Disgusting and certainly not what America is about.

I would never want to be associated with ANY group that required you to think EXACTLY like them or be attacked. ZERO individual thought allowed. That's called a cult. THAT is what the controlling arm of the democratic party has become. Have at it if that's what floats your boat, but when THAT is the only alternative to being a conservative, I'll stick to conservatism.

[kalm]

More than just “low class”...it’s a mob mentality that’s taken over the donks...and it’s **** dangerous.

The irony is, that mob-mentality and the #resistance is by far the closest thing to actual fascism we have in this country today, far more than anything Trump has attempted to do so far. Trump is a buffoon, and he's led around by his ego and vanity. But in the end he's just an empty suit. He's no ideologue and he's certainly not invested enough to be a fascist. But the purity of thought, absolute opposition to divergent politics, and strict demand to toe the party line, all the while done in the spirit of fanaticism, things the left has been engaged in since the apocalypse of Trump's election, are all facets of fascism. Irony indeed.

There’s some truth here. A friend posted a meme on FB that said “ It’s ok to lose friends who approve of keeping children captive in order to negotiate the building of large walls.” I asked if I should lose friends who supported an administration that approved the kidnapping and murder of Honduran journalists, and peace and environmental activists to put oligarchs back in power?

I’d quibble with you though that one side is worse. Fascism transcends ideology especially when it comes to merger corporations and state. Trump, Clinton, and Obama are all very good at that. Trumps attacks on the media are also somewhat suspicious.

[Ibanez]

I absolutely don't tolerate people who don't give a shit about other human beings.

I would have made a great conservative back in the day when conservatism actually meant something. Fiscal responsibility and caring about working people, the environment, and civil rights? Sounds awesome.

Now it's all about "Fuck you, I got mine." Disgusting and certainly not what America is about.

I would never want to be associated with ANY group that required you to think EXACTLY like them or be attacked. ZERO individual thought allowed. That's called a cult. THAT is what the controlling arm of the democratic party has become. Have at it if that's what floats your boat, but when THAT is the only alternative to being a conservative, I'll stick to conservatism.

Sounds like the cult of personality around Trump. Don't deviate from his talking points or else. We see it on here with some of the "conservatives" on this board.

[∞∞∞]

I absolutely don't tolerate people who don't give a **** about other human beings.

I would have made a great conservative back in the day when conservatism actually meant something. Fiscal responsibility and caring about working people, the environment, and civil rights? Sounds awesome.

Now it's all about "**** you, I got mine." Disgusting and certainly not what America is about.

I would never want to be associated with ANY group that required you to think EXACTLY like them or be attacked. ZERO individual thought allowed. That's called a cult. THAT is what the controlling arm of the democratic party has become. Have at it if that's what floats your boat, but when THAT is the only alternative to being a conservative, I'll stick to conservatism.

Welcome to human society, where groups of people get together and find plans to enrich their lives, better the future, and find ways to help those less fortunate than themselves. There are certainly disagreements on how to approach these societal missions.

But if you're going to stand in the way of progress, or worse, try to regress it in the name of "individualism" or however you want to justify it, then society reserves the right to kick you out of the way.

[CID1990]

Now that we’ve reached the point where it is being normalized to confront people in public while they’re having dinner, getting gas - whatever - it is going to turn violent. That’s the only place left to go. A BernieBro already tried to assassinate a US Congressman, Maxine Waters is calling for confrontation.. it’s only a matter of time

I wonder if Treep et all will defend this nonsense then

[∞∞∞]

Now that we’ve reached the point where it is being normalized to confront people in public while they’re having dinner, getting gas - whatever - it is going to turn violent. That’s the only place left to go. A BernieBro already tried to assassinate a US Congressman, Maxine Waters is calling for confrontation.. it’s only a matter of time

I wonder if Treep et all will defend this nonsense then

I don't condone violence. WWII was justified violence; this is not.

[BDKJMU]

Yeah, I’m sure serving conks violates her religious beliefs. What religion is that?

That's a weak argument. It's still a denial of service based on a person's beliefs or association with a group.

Like I said before, the 2 situations aren’t even apples to oranges, there’s zero comparison.

The baker didn’t refuse service. He was willing to bake/sell them a cake. He wasnt willing to specialize it for the gay wedding due to his religious beliefs, which violated a state govt law.

The restaurant owner wasn’t violating a govt law by refusing service. Imagine there were specialized donk amd conk meals. The closet equivalent you could get to would been if the restuarant did specialized donk meals for liberal customers and refused to do a specialized conk meal for Huckabee’s party, but was willing to serve them a non specialized/regular meal. And that still doesn’t have the religion aspect.

FWIW IMHOP a restaraunt should be able to refuse service to anyone they want to.

[Gil Dobie]

I would never want to be associated with ANY group that required you to think EXACTLY like them or be attacked. ZERO individual thought allowed. That's called a cult. THAT is what the controlling arm of the democratic party has become. Have at it if that's what floats your boat, but when THAT is the only alternative to being a conservative, I'll stick to conservatism.

Welcome to human society, where groups of people get together and find plans to enrich their lives, better the future, and find ways to help those less fortunate than themselves. There are certainly disagreements on how to approach these societal missions.

What group is this. I don't see democrats or republicans doing this. I see individuals and organizations working for this, but anything related to Dems, Reps, or basically a political organization based on these 2, are just spreading hate and making things worse.

[kalm]

I absolutely don't tolerate people who don't give a shit about other human beings.

I would have made a great conservative back in the day when conservatism actually meant something. Fiscal responsibility and caring about working people, the environment, and civil rights? Sounds awesome.

Now it's all about "Fuck you, I got mine." Disgusting and certainly not what America is about.

I would never want to be associated with ANY group that required you to think EXACTLY like them or be attacked. ZERO individual thought allowed. That's called a cult. THAT is what the controlling arm of the democratic party has become. Have at it if that's what floats your boat, but when THAT is the only alternative to being a conservative, I'll stick to conservatism.

Why stick to being a conservative? Isn’t individual thought what you want? You need to have a movement or an ideology to belong to?

[BDKJMU]

Trump isn't trying to flip Congress.

Once again, you're being irrelevant. The Democrats are risking looking just as bad if not worse than Trump apologists. That's what I'm talking about. You are talking about "but Trump"

No, but Trump IS trying to hold on to congress. (Ha! See what I did there?)

I was merely commenting on how the Trump phenomenon has challenged the old paradigm of political decorum. I'm not even sure that's a bad thing. The interesting question for me being that since his aggression didn't turn off too many independents in 2016, can similar abrasive tactics not be a detriment to Democrats in 2018 or do they need to remain the party of pussy/nice guys in order to sway enough indies?

And yes, extrapolating the actions of a restaurant owner to whether people will vote for congressional Democratic candidates is indeed a bit irrelevant. But it can still lead to a fun discussion until you piss on it.

BTW, if we're discussing election ramifications rather than comparing policy, it can't really be "but Trump". It would be nice if you could follow along a little better.

It is FAR more than that. The thing at the restaurant in VA is just the tip of the iceberg. Harrassment of Trump admin & ICE employees at resaurants, their homes, in public, and calls for more of the same from the likes of Maxine Waters. The comparing of Trump to Hitler, comparing the detaining at the border to Nazi concentration camps, trying to shut down ICE facilities through protest, calling all Trump voters Nazis, etc, etc,

[kalm]

I absolutely don't tolerate people who don't give a shit about other human beings.

I would have made a great conservative back in the day when conservatism actually meant something. Fiscal responsibility and caring about working people, the environment, and civil rights? Sounds awesome.

Now it's all about "Fuck you, I got mine." Disgusting and certainly not what America is about.

I would never want to be associated with ANY group that required you to think EXACTLY like them or be attacked. ZERO individual thought allowed. That's called a cult. THAT is what the controlling arm of the democratic party has become. Have at it if that's what floats your boat, but when THAT is the only alternative to being a conservative, I'll stick to conservatism.

Why stick to being a conservative? Isn’t individual thought what you want? You need to have a movement or an ideology to belong to?

[Ibanez]

That's a weak argument. It's still a denial of service based on a person's beliefs or association with a group.

Like I said before, the 2 situations aren’t even apples to oranges, there’s zero comparison.

The baker didn’t refuse service. He was willing to bake/sell them a cake. He wasnt willing to specialize it for the gay wedding due to his religious beliefs, which violated a state govt law.

The restaurant owner wasn’t violating a govt law by refusing service. Imagine there were specialized donk amd conk meals. The closet equivalent you could get to would been if the restuarant did specialized donk meals for liberal customers and refused to do a specialized conk meal for Huckabee’s party, but was willing to serve them a non specialized/regular meal. And that still doesn’t have the religion aspect.

FWIW IMHOP a restaraunt should be able to refuse service to anyone they want to.

You're splitting hairs. It's their prerogative (and if a business wants to deal with the backlash, then so be it) but it's still denying something to a customer based on that customers beliefs being contrary to yours.

As I said, I have no issue with either business denying service (I think it's petty and stupid.)

"No shirt, No shoes, No Gays/Muslins/Republicans/Democrats, No service."

[kalm]

No, but Trump IS trying to hold on to congress. (Ha! See what I did there?)

I was merely commenting on how the Trump phenomenon has challenged the old paradigm of political decorum. I'm not even sure that's a bad thing. The interesting question for me being that since his aggression didn't turn off too many independents in 2016, can similar abrasive tactics not be a detriment to Democrats in 2018 or do they need to remain the party of pussy/nice guys in order to sway enough indies?

And yes, extrapolating the actions of a restaurant owner to whether people will vote for congressional Democratic candidates is indeed a bit irrelevant. But it can still lead to a fun discussion until you piss on it.

BTW, if we're discussing election ramifications rather than comparing policy, it can't really be "but Trump". It would be nice if you could follow along a little better.

It is FAR more than that. The thing at the restaurant in VA is just the tip of the iceberg. Harrassment of Trump admin & ICE employees at resaurants, their homes, in public, and calls for more of the same from the likes of Maxine Waters. The comparing of Trump to Hitler, comparing the detaining at the border to Nazi concentration camps, trying to shut down ICE facilities through protest, calling all Trump voters Nazis, etc, etc,

I’ll wear my libertarian hat and reply...

Ain’t freedom of association, speech, and religion a bitch?