The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

[Ivytalk]

It is FAR more than that. The thing at the restaurant in VA is just the tip of the iceberg. Harrassment of Trump admin & ICE employees at resaurants, their homes, in public, and calls for more of the same from the likes of Maxine Waters. The comparing of Trump to Hitler, comparing the detaining at the border to Nazi concentration camps, trying to shut down ICE facilities through protest, calling all Trump voters Nazis, etc, etc,

I’ll wear my libertarian hat and reply...

Ain’t freedom of association, speech, and religion a bitch?

Freedom of speech is such a great thing that the ACLfvckingU is running away from it as fast as possible.

[Skjellyfetti]

That's a weak argument. It's still a denial of service based on a person's beliefs or association with a group.

Like I said before, the 2 situations aren’t even apples to oranges, there’s zero comparison.

The baker didn’t refuse service. He was willing to bake/sell them a cake. He wasnt willing to specialize it for the gay wedding due to his religious beliefs, which violated a state govt law.

The restaurant owner wasn’t violating a govt law by refusing service. Imagine there were specialized donk amd conk meals. The closet equivalent you could get to would been if the restuarant did specialized donk meals for liberal customers and refused to do a specialized conk meal for Huckabee’s party, but was willing to serve them a non specialized/regular meal. And that still doesn’t have the religion aspect.

FWIW IMHOP a restaraunt should be able to refuse service to anyone they want to.

You seemed to enjoy a bakery refusing service to Biden in 2012...

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... ry#p680726

[Ivytalk]

Like I said before, the 2 situations aren’t even apples to oranges, there’s zero comparison.

The baker didn’t refuse service. He was willing to bake/sell them a cake. He wasnt willing to specialize it for the gay wedding due to his religious beliefs, which violated a state govt law.

The restaurant owner wasn’t violating a govt law by refusing service. Imagine there were specialized donk amd conk meals. The closet equivalent you could get to would been if the restuarant did specialized donk meals for liberal customers and refused to do a specialized conk meal for Huckabee’s party, but was willing to serve them a non specialized/regular meal. And that still doesn’t have the religion aspect.

FWIW IMHOP a restaraunt should be able to refuse service to anyone they want to.

You seemed to enjoy a bakery refusing service to Biden in 2012...

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... ry#p680726

Knowing Biden, he probably expected a freebie. The dude is the biggest moocher in politics.

[Ibanez]

Like I said before, the 2 situations aren’t even apples to oranges, there’s zero comparison.

The baker didn’t refuse service. He was willing to bake/sell them a cake. He wasnt willing to specialize it for the gay wedding due to his religious beliefs, which violated a state govt law.

The restaurant owner wasn’t violating a govt law by refusing service. Imagine there were specialized donk amd conk meals. The closet equivalent you could get to would been if the restuarant did specialized donk meals for liberal customers and refused to do a specialized conk meal for Huckabee’s party, but was willing to serve them a non specialized/regular meal. And that still doesn’t have the religion aspect.

FWIW IMHOP a restaraunt should be able to refuse service to anyone they want to.

You seemed to enjoy a bakery refusing service to Biden in 2012...

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... ry#p680726

Damn dude.

[BDKJMU]

Like I said before, the 2 situations aren’t even apples to oranges, there’s zero comparison.

The baker didn’t refuse service. He was willing to bake/sell them a cake. He wasnt willing to specialize it for the gay wedding due to his religious beliefs, which violated a state govt law.

The restaurant owner wasn’t violating a govt law by refusing service. Imagine there were specialized donk amd conk meals. The closet equivalent you could get to would been if the restuarant did specialized donk meals for liberal customers and refused to do a specialized conk meal for Huckabee’s party, but was willing to serve them a non specialized/regular meal. And that still doesn’t have the religion aspect.

FWIW IMHOP a restaraunt should be able to refuse service to anyone they want to.

You're splitting hairs. It's their prerogative (and if a business wants to deal with the backlash, then so be it) but it's still denying something to a customer based on that customers beliefs being contrary to yours.

As I said, I have no issue with either business denying service (I think it's petty and stupid.)

"No shirt, No shoes, No Gays/Muslins/Republicans/Democrats, No service."

-The bakery didn’t deny service- he didnt refuse to sell them a cake, just one decorated for the gay wedding.
-The baker had a state law that said he had to decorate the wedding cake for the gay wedding. The restaurant owner didn’t face a law saying she had to serve conks.
-The baker didnt tale the order for the gay cake, and then a 1/2 hr into it said, nah, I’m not making the gay cake. The restaurant seated Huckabee’s party, took their orders, served their appetizers and then decided to kick them out. If you’re going to refuse service, you should do it off the bat..
-The 2 gays were lawsuit shopping when they went to that bakery. I doubt Huckabee was thinking “Let me see if I can find a restaurant run by lefties to see if they’ll kick us out so can we can start a big national news story.”
Not splittong hairs at all. The 2 stories arent comparable.

Again, I agree with you on that I think either business legally should be able to deny service, and face whatever positive/negative backlash/publicity.

[BDKJMU]

Like I said before, the 2 situations aren’t even apples to oranges, there’s zero comparison.

The baker didn’t refuse service. He was willing to bake/sell them a cake. He wasnt willing to specialize it for the gay wedding due to his religious beliefs, which violated a state govt law.

The restaurant owner wasn’t violating a govt law by refusing service. Imagine there were specialized donk amd conk meals. The closet equivalent you could get to would been if the restuarant did specialized donk meals for liberal customers and refused to do a specialized conk meal for Huckabee’s party, but was willing to serve them a non specialized/regular meal. And that still doesn’t have the religion aspect.

FWIW IMHOP a restaraunt should be able to refuse service to anyone they want to.

You seemed to enjoy a bakery refusing service to Biden in 2012...

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... ry#p680726

So?

[Ibanez]

You're splitting hairs. It's their prerogative (and if a business wants to deal with the backlash, then so be it) but it's still denying something to a customer based on that customers beliefs being contrary to yours.

As I said, I have no issue with either business denying service (I think it's petty and stupid.)

"No shirt, No shoes, No Gays/Muslins/Republicans/Democrats, No service."

-The bakery didn’t deny service- he didnt refuse to sell them a cake, just one decorated for the gay wedding.
-The baker had a state law that said he had to decorate the wedding cake for the gay wedding. The restaurant owner didn’t face a law saying she had to serve conks.
-The 2 gays were lawsuit shopping when they went to that bakery. I doubt Huckabee was thinking “Let me see if I can find a restaurant run by lefties to see if they’ll kick us out so can we can start a big national news story.”
Not splittong hairs at all. The 2 stories arent comparable.

Again, I agree with you on that I think either business legally should be able to deny service, and face whatever positive/negative backlash/publicity.

Splitting hairs. The service requested was denied.

[houndawg]

Ah yes, they're exactly the same situation. Just like black people didn't have the choice to be black, Sarah Sanders doesn't have a choice she's an asshole.

Trip goes on record stating its OK to to be an asshole and deny service to someone because of a belief system.
Nice.

That's not what trip said, Ballsack.

Trip said it was only fair that she was judged by the content of her character and not by the color of her skin.


Didn't mean to put words in your mouth , Trip...

[houndawg]

No, but Trump IS trying to hold on to congress. (Ha! See what I did there?)

I was merely commenting on how the Trump phenomenon has challenged the old paradigm of political decorum. I'm not even sure that's a bad thing. The interesting question for me being that since his aggression didn't turn off too many independents in 2016, can similar abrasive tactics not be a detriment to Democrats in 2018 or do they need to remain the party of pussy/nice guys in order to sway enough indies?

And yes, extrapolating the actions of a restaurant owner to whether people will vote for congressional Democratic candidates is indeed a bit irrelevant. But it can still lead to a fun discussion until you piss on it.

BTW, if we're discussing election ramifications rather than comparing policy, it can't really be "but Trump". It would be nice if you could follow along a little better.

It is FAR more than that. The thing at the restaurant in VA is just the tip of the iceberg. Harrassment of Trump admin & ICE employees at resaurants, their homes, in public, and calls for more of the same from the likes of Maxine Waters. The comparing of Trump to Hitler, comparing the detaining at the border to Nazi concentration camps, trying to shut down ICE facilities through protest, calling all Trump voters Nazis, etc, etc,

Yes it is, and it was Charlottesville that triggered it. Now you nazis are going to get to taste your own medicine when things escalate.

Just count yourselves lucky that the greatest generation has passed. Our dads used to kill nazi scum on a daily basis.

[kalm]

You seemed to enjoy a bakery refusing service to Biden in 2012...

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... ry#p680726

Damn dude.

This....

[GannonFan]

The irony is, that mob-mentality and the #resistance is by far the closest thing to actual fascism we have in this country today, far more than anything Trump has attempted to do so far. Trump is a buffoon, and he's led around by his ego and vanity. But in the end he's just an empty suit. He's no ideologue and he's certainly not invested enough to be a fascist. But the purity of thought, absolute opposition to divergent politics, and strict demand to toe the party line, all the while done in the spirit of fanaticism, things the left has been engaged in since the apocalypse of Trump's election, are all facets of fascism. Irony indeed.

I completely agree with public shaming of those who are complicit in human right abuses. This is how a society tells those that their actions are unacceptable even if it doesn't affect those immediately around them. Make them take off their hoods and be seen so we know who they are.

Ultimately, I don't give a **** anymore. I've learned the right doesn't care about optics; they're just opportunists. Even if you've done everything in a way which is entirely beyond reproach, they'll find petty BS to expand endlessly on. There is no winning strategy trying to consider stuff like the right words and the right messaging with people because they don't give a crap. They're not here to play fair; they're here to win. And win they will as long as liberals insist on playing by rules that conservatives won't even acknowledge.

I'm done with "if we keep doing things the right way, everything will work out in the end." That's magical thinking and gross civic irresponsibility, and it's the reason Democrats keep losing.

The left wing and moderates need to start a flame that is more ruthless and relentless than the other side. One side will always be labeled the monster, so you might as well win while being labeled as such.

That's all fine and well, but the left wing already doubled down on the hate that way in 2016 and it led to the buffoon who's in the White House now. For a segment of the political spectrum that loves to tout its respect for and knowledge of science (well, except with regards to nuclear energy and GMO food, science be damned in those cases), the left sure does seem to have trouble grasping the wider, societal implications of Newton's third law of motion.

[BDKJMU]

It is FAR more than that. The thing at the restaurant in VA is just the tip of the iceberg. Harrassment of Trump admin & ICE employees at resaurants, their homes, in public, and calls for more of the same from the likes of Maxine Waters. The comparing of Trump to Hitler, comparing the detaining at the border to Nazi concentration camps, trying to shut down ICE facilities through protest, calling all Trump voters Nazis, etc, etc,

Yes it is, and it was Charlottesville that triggered it. Now you nazis are going to get to taste your own medicine when things escalate

Just count yourselves lucky that the greatest generation has passed. Our dads used to kill nazi scum on a daily basis.

The violent leftist ANTIFA triggered the C-ville violence.

If you think conks are Nazis then you’re even dumber than I thought you were..

I not worried about the leftist whackjobs like yourself who label eveyone right of center a Nazi. We have most of the guns.

And you obviously know nothing of real Nazis that the WWII generation dealt with..You should try learning something about WWII history..

[BDKJMU]

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[BDKJMU]

At Trump rally in SC today:

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[Skjellyfetti]

[Ibanez]

At Trump rally in SC today:

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What a joke.

I can't watch the video but I read some of the "highlights", if you want to call them that. Criticizing Sanford and Colbert because they don't agree with you. Sanford is one of the few that has the balls to speak truth to power and it cost him his office. That should be concerning you all - but I know it won't b/c Sanford doesn't #MAGA the way you all think he should. You want free thinkers but then expel officials who do just that. This cult of personality is dangerous - and embarrassing.

[kalm]

At Trump rally in SC today:

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What a joke.

I can't watch the video but I read some of the "highlights", if you want to call them that. Criticizing Sanford and Colbert because they don't agree with you. Sanford is one of the few that has the balls to speak truth to power and it cost him his office. That should be concerning you all - but I know it won't b/c Sanford doesn't #MAGA the way you all think he should. You want free thinkers but then expel officials who do just that. This cult of personality is dangerous - and embarrassing.

Get caught lying about the mistress..have a mistress to begin with? Yeah, we’ll elect you to office again.

Not embracing Trump?

[Ibanez]

What a joke.

I can't watch the video but I read some of the "highlights", if you want to call them that. Criticizing Sanford and Colbert because they don't agree with you. Sanford is one of the few that has the balls to speak truth to power and it cost him his office. That should be concerning you all - but I know it won't b/c Sanford doesn't #MAGA the way you all think he should. You want free thinkers but then expel officials who do just that. This cult of personality is dangerous - and embarrassing.

Get caught lying about the mistress..have a mistress to begin with? Yeah, we’ll elect you to office again.

Not embracing Trump?

I get it. Here's the thing though - Sanford owned up to his mistake and reminded people why they elected him in the first place. Jenny even came out in support of him for that seat.

Understanding voter motivations is a FT job.

[Ibanez]

In another world, Maxine Waters doesn't think Democrats are being critical of her...

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, in a speech on the Senate floor, said, "I strongly disagree with those who advocate harassing folks if they don't agree with you."
"If you disagree with a politician, organize your fellow citizens to action and vote them out of office," he added. "But no one should call for the harassment of political opponents. That's not right. That's not American."
Waters, however, rejected the notion that Democrats have been critical of her comments. "They have not been," she flatly told reporters when asked about the criticism.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics ... index.html

[kalm]

In another world, Maxine Waters doesn't think Democrats are being critical of her...

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, in a speech on the Senate floor, said, "I strongly disagree with those who advocate harassing folks if they don't agree with you."
"If you disagree with a politician, organize your fellow citizens to action and vote them out of office," he added. "But no one should call for the harassment of political opponents. That's not right. That's not American."
Waters, however, rejected the notion that Democrats have been critical of her comments. "They have not been," she flatly told reporters when asked about the criticism.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics ... index.html

Trump played it well again by saying Maxine Waters and Pelosi are the face of the Democratic Party. Just keep restating that and showing the clips. Dems are in trouble.

[Winterborn]

Trump played it well again by saying Maxine Waters and Pelosi are the face of the Democratic Party. Just keep restating that and showing the clips. Dems are in trouble.

Say what you want about the guy, he isn't a complete idiot. Granted the Democrat's are basically gift wrapping everything to him with the way they are acting.

[Ibanez]

Trump played it well again by saying Maxine Waters and Pelosi are the face of the Democratic Party. Just keep restating that and showing the clips. Dems are in trouble.

Say what you want about the guy, he isn't a complete idiot. Granted the Democrat's are basically gift wrapping everything to him with the way they are acting.

Exactly.


Which reminds me, what happened to, " When they go low, we go high"?

[CID1990]

Say what you want about the guy, he isn't a complete idiot. Granted the Democrat's are basically gift wrapping everything to him with the way they are acting.

Exactly.


Which reminds me, what happened to, " When they go low, we go high"?

Seriously

I’m actually pulling for the Democrats to act like adults here

Turns out there aren’t any, anywhere

[Winterborn]

Which reminds me, what happened to, " When they go low, we go high"?

This is politics, nothing is above the belt anymore. It is only low and lower.

[∞∞∞]

We just learned another of our projects was scrapped due to the tariffs (third this year); the extra cost simply wasn't expected in our client's budget. And for what it's worth, this was a manufacturing facility that wanted to expand (and hire about 15-20 more people).

So there goes high-paying jobs for architects, engineers, construction managers, material suppliers, tradesmen, and a few permanent jobs. And this doesn't take into account the long-term benefits of a new facility for the owners, like a more energy-efficient and streamlined manufacturing plant.

I'd be interested to learn how often this is repeating around the country.