The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

[CAA Flagship]

We just learned another of our projects was scrapped due to the tariffs (third this year); the extra cost simply wasn't expected in our client's budget. And for what it's worth, this was a manufacturing facility that wanted to expand (and hire about 15-20 more people).

So there goes high-paying jobs for architects, engineers, construction managers, material suppliers, tradesmen, and a few permanent jobs. And this doesn't take into account the long-term benefits of a new facility for the owners, like a more energy-efficient and streamlined manufacturing plant.

I'd be interested to learn how often this is repeating around the country.

That potential work will be absorbed by the under-utlilzed facilities elsewhere that don't need to expand.

[Skjellyfetti]

Government set to borrow nearly $1 trillion this year, an 84 percent jump from last year
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html

[CID1990]

Government set to borrow nearly $1 trillion this year, an 84 percent jump from last year
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html

So you're a fiscal conservative now?

Trump really IS making America great again!


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[JohnStOnge]

In a way I'm kind of glad Trump is actually, so far, going through with his insane protectionism. For the long term good of the country we need for some economic problems to surface before the 2018 Congressional elections. Trump inherited a situation in which the economy was going well. The wind was at his back. And he's been good a claiming credit for the sunrise.

Hard to believe that he'd be stupid enough to take the risk represented by the protectionism thing when all he had to do is not do anything to screw things up. But he is indeed taking a serious risk of screwing things up right before the height of the election season. For the good of the country, let's all hope the negative impacts of his protectionist actions are clearly manifested prior to election day.

[JohnStOnge]

Government set to borrow nearly $1 trillion this year, an 84 percent jump from last year
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html

So you're a fiscal conservative now?

Trump really IS making America great again!


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The big point doesn't involve whether Sky is a fiscal conservative. It's that the Republicans were lying when they promoted the tax cut as likely being revenue neutral or even revenue positive. Then they took that lie to the next level by increasing spending.

If you're going to promote a tax cut like that be honest and tell people it's going to have to be accompanied by a spending cut.

[AZGrizFan]

In a way I'm kind of glad Trump is actually, so far, going through with his insane protectionism. For the long term good of the country we need for some economic problems to surface before the 2018 Congressional elections. Trump inherited a situation in which the economy was going well. The wind was at his back. And he's been good a claiming credit for the sunrise.

Hard to believe that he'd be stupid enough to take the risk represented by the protectionism thing when all he had to do is not do anything to screw things up. But he is indeed taking a serious risk of screwing things up right before the height of the election season. For the good of the country, let's all hope the negative impacts of his protectionist actions are clearly manifested prior to election day.

I’ve never, in my adult life, seen someone root so hard for a president to fail. You really are a fucking piece of work.

[CAA Flagship]

In a way I'm kind of glad Trump is actually, so far, going through with his insane protectionism. For the long term good of the country we need for some economic problems to surface before the 2018 Congressional elections. Trump inherited a situation in which the economy was going well. The wind was at his back. And he's been good a claiming credit for the sunrise.

Hard to believe that he'd be stupid enough to take the risk represented by the protectionism thing when all he had to do is not do anything to screw things up. But he is indeed taking a serious risk of screwing things up right before the height of the election season. For the good of the country, let's all hope the negative impacts of his protectionist actions are clearly manifested prior to election day.

Your lack of understanding of the economy aside, there is no better time like the present to take "serious risks" (on trade inequities and intellectual property protection). Is it better to do it during a recession? How about midway in between on the way down? Your hate for the man is blinding you of what's necessary in policy.

[kalm]

In a way I'm kind of glad Trump is actually, so far, going through with his insane protectionism. For the long term good of the country we need for some economic problems to surface before the 2018 Congressional elections. Trump inherited a situation in which the economy was going well. The wind was at his back. And he's been good a claiming credit for the sunrise.

Hard to believe that he'd be stupid enough to take the risk represented by the protectionism thing when all he had to do is not do anything to screw things up. But he is indeed taking a serious risk of screwing things up right before the height of the election season. For the good of the country, let's all hope the negative impacts of his protectionist actions are clearly manifested prior to election day.

Your lack of understanding of the economy aside, there is no better time like the present to take "serious risks" (on trade inequities and intellectual property protection). Is it better to do it during a recession? How about midway in between on the way down? Your hate for the man is blinding you of what's necessary in policy.

It's fun to watch some donks suddenly embrace globalism while conks are now on board with protecting domestic industry and manufacturing....

[∞∞∞]

Your lack of understanding of the economy aside, there is no better time like the present to take "serious risks" (on trade inequities and intellectual property protection). Is it better to do it during a recession? How about midway in between on the way down? Your hate for the man is blinding you of what's necessary in policy.

It's fun to watch some donks suddenly embrace globalism while conks are now on board with protecting domestic industry and manufacturing....

I grew up with globalism and I love it. The economic benefits for people around the world, in addition to the most secure and prosperous era in human history, have been well worth it.

If some Americans can't take advantage of training for new careers, can't move to where the jobs are, or want to hold on to bygone eras and industries, that's on them. The world is connected in a way it's never been before and the genie isn't being put back into the bottle again. Either go forward or be left behind.

[kalm]

It's fun to watch some donks suddenly embrace globalism while conks are now on board with protecting domestic industry and manufacturing....

I grew up with globalism and I love it. The economic benefits for people around the world, in addition to the most secure and prosperous era in human history, have been well worth it.

If Americans can't take advantage of training for new careers, moving to where the jobs are, or shifting their economic focus...that's on them. The world is connected in a way it's never been before and that genie is not being put back in the bottle again.

There are benefits to it and I agree it's here to stay in some form. It was inevitable. But there are negative aspects like not protecting domestic industry (which every fucking country does) environmental destruction, labor abuses etc that more people on the left used to give a shit about. But since Trump is for protectionism....

[∞∞∞]

I don't disagree there are issues, but globalism is still in its infancy compared to the entirety of human economic development. Benefits include shared technological innovations, economies of scale, lifting entire societies out of poverty, and stronger international relationships. I'd also argue labor rights are better now than ever before. (maybe not great, but better). I'd bet a Chinese worker would rather be in a factory overseen by an American corporation than some pre-globalized Chinese manufacturer.

And speaking of environmental destruction, I completely agree that nations will take advantage of their natural resources to lift themselves out of poverty. But these are short-term issues for a long-term solution. Every nation ends up trending towards being more environmentally sustainable as per-capita income increases; it just takes time. With the added benefits of tied economies, societies can influence other ones to pick up the pace on certain issues (and not just environmental ones).

[CAA Flagship]

Your lack of understanding of the economy aside, there is no better time like the present to take "serious risks" (on trade inequities and intellectual property protection). Is it better to do it during a recession? How about midway in between on the way down? Your hate for the man is blinding you of what's necessary in policy.

It's fun to watch some donks suddenly embrace globalism while conks are now on board with protecting domestic industry and manufacturing....

Who are these conks that were against protecting domestic industry and manufacturing?

[Ibanez]

In a way I'm kind of glad Trump is actually, so far, going through with his insane protectionism. For the long term good of the country we need for some economic problems to surface before the 2018 Congressional elections. Trump inherited a situation in which the economy was going well. The wind was at his back. And he's been good a claiming credit for the sunrise.

Hard to believe that he'd be stupid enough to take the risk represented by the protectionism thing when all he had to do is not do anything to screw things up. But he is indeed taking a serious risk of screwing things up right before the height of the election season. For the good of the country, let's all hope the negative impacts of his protectionist actions are clearly manifested prior to election day.

I’ve never, in my adult life, seen someone root so hard for a president to fail. You really are a fucking piece of work.

Where were you during the Obama administration? Or the Bush Administration? That mentality was/is everywhere - especially here.

[kalm]

It's fun to watch some donks suddenly embrace globalism while conks are now on board with protecting domestic industry and manufacturing....

Who are these conks that were against protecting domestic industry and manufacturing?

Jack Abramoff
Tom Delay
Reagan
Bill Clinton
Both Bushes
The Waltons

For starters

[Ivytalk]

Who are these conks that were against protecting domestic industry and manufacturing?

The Waltons

For starters

I never did trust John-Boy.

[CAA Flagship]

Who are these conks that were against protecting domestic industry and manufacturing?

Bill Clinton
Both Bushes

[AZGrizFan]

I’ve never, in my adult life, seen someone root so hard for a president to fail. You really are a fucking piece of work.

Where were you during the Obama administration? Or the Bush Administration? That mentality was/is everywhere - especially here.

Nope. Not like JSO espouses. He's taken it to a whole new level.

There's a huge difference between PREDICTING failure and openly ROOTING for it.

[kalm]

Where were you during the Obama administration? Or the Bush Administration? That mentality was/is everywhere - especially here.

Nope. Not like JSO espouses. He's taken it to a whole new level.

There's a huge difference between PREDICTING failure and openly ROOTING for it.

He wants Trump to fail but I don’t think he wants the country to.

Did you see the Trump v. Jimmy Fallon faux controversy? Trump’s penchant for lying sends many honest people over the ledge and i think JSO is a very honest person.

[CAA Flagship]

Nope. Not like JSO espouses. He's taken it to a whole new level.

There's a huge difference between PREDICTING failure and openly ROOTING for it.

He wants Trump to fail but I don’t think he wants the country to.

Did you see the Trump v. Jimmy Fallon faux controversy? Trump’s penchant for lying sends many honest people over the ledge and i think JSO is a very honest person.

Several important things I learned from my work experiences over the years:

1. Tell people "why". Explain the reason for your statement.
2. Make sure your decisions are defendable.
3. Focus on what really matters. (Don't get tangled in the noise)
4. .....

Those are the top 3. #1 also applies to coaching sports. People tend to grasp the idea better if presented with the "why". #2 is what I have been raising my sons (SONS) on. I tell them to picture themselves having to explain their actions in front of authority (parent, teacher, boss, police, etc.) before you act. #3 comes from the consulting business where time is money. This is mastered with experience. Knowing what is more important and what is less important is the key. Mastering this will increase your effectiveness.

#3 is where many people, especially JSO, fail. Trump's little lies, misstatements, etc. don't matter nearly as much as the policy results. I happen to like the issues Trump is focused on. Do I like the way he goes about addressing them? Not completely. But that is peanuts compared to the importance of getting the issues corrected/resolved/improved.

<steps down from soap box>

[CID1990]

That's a compelling argument you make against welfare there


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[Pwns]

Glanced at the TV with Trump talking and did a double take because I saw the Byzin Dome.

[JohnStOnge]

It's not "little" lies on Trump's part. There are some pretty big lies involved in his attacks on the institutions that protect us from Autocracy/Totalitarianism. And I am not rooting for the country to fail. I am rooting for whatever is necessary to happen to create a situation in which the Democrats will be in control of at least one House of Congress so there will be SOME check on Trumps attack on those institutions. That's because that's what would be best for this country.

BTW, lying about the likely impacts of a tax cut is a pretty big lie too.

[Winterborn]

Glanced at the TV with Trump talking and did a double take because I saw the Byzin Dome.

Just doing our part to MAGA.

[SDHornet]

It's fun to watch some donks suddenly embrace globalism while conks are now on board with protecting domestic industry and manufacturing....

I grew up with globalism and I love it. The economic benefits for people around the world, in addition to the most secure and prosperous era in human history, have been well worth it.

If some Americans can't take advantage of training for new careers, can't move to where the jobs are, or want to hold on to bygone eras and industries, that's on them. The world is connected in a way it's never been before and the genie isn't being put back into the bottle again. Either go forward or be left behind.

You realize that is what killed the Rust Belt and what ultimately cost hilldog the election right?

Oh the irony of the left advocating for such nonsense.

[CAA Flagship]

It's not "little" lies on Trump's part. There are some pretty big lies involved in his attacks on the institutions that protect us from Autocracy/Totalitarianism. And I am not rooting for the country to fail. I am rooting for whatever is necessary to happen to create a situation in which the Democrats will be in control of at least one House of Congress so there will be SOME check on Trumps attack on those institutions. That's because that's what would be best for this country.

BTW, lying about the likely impacts of a tax cut is a pretty big lie too.

What institutions? The FBI? The CIA? The VA? Amazon? Some negative statements may be true, and some may not be true. Same goes with his positive statements - some true, some not true. But it's all bullshit. It does not affect me. It's not the most important thing going forward. That's not to say I like the lies, but I'm not worried about what hat I'm wearing while watching flames spread throughout my house.