Justice Kennedy Retires

[CID1990]

Mexico/Latin America aren't the nations leaving America behind.

It's ok though, once in a while a great generation of Americans actually has to fix the issues the previous one left behind. And yours really **** up.

Oh please

There's ONE country outpacing the US

Instead of decrying America, why don't you instead extol the virtues of China?

I'll wait to hear about this new, shining beacon on a hill


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[CID1990]

Socialism isn't taboo anymore. It's not a scary word for me, or many young people.

When you say "it's socialism," none of us cringe.

Because THIS TIME it will work


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[Chizzang]

Socialism isn't taboo anymore. It's not a scary word for me, or many young people.

When you say "it's socialism," none of us cringe.

Because THIS TIME it will work

Nothing works for too long...
It always ends up over time favoring a specific group and imploding
When a dozen families own more than the bottom half - it's not for long - I don't care what name you call it

[CID1990]

I love the Constitution; it's an amazing document written by philosophical geniuses. But it's also a product of the late 1700s and no longer accurately represents the populace of this nation.

Tell us more about the principles of the Enlightenment and their expiration date

We get it, Treep - the document is a barrier to everything you would like to see happen in this country



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[CID1990]

Time to throw out the Constitution. It certainly isn't working anymore for the majority of Americans.

The nation continues to progress while the government is regressing. And in the meanwhile, the world continues to leave us behind socially, environmentally, and economically.

I don't think there is a need to throw out the Constitution. It can be Amended. I think it should be Amended to eliminate the Electoral College and say the President is selected through direct popular vote. Also, we might try to do something about gerrymandering.

And I do think it is potentially possible to develop sufficient support for Amending the Constitution to eliminate the Electoral College. Heck, you could even invoke the fact that it's very likely that Texas is going to evolve into a Blue State. If and when that happens it will be over for the Republicans in Presidential elections if we stick with the Electoral College because if California, New York, and Texas are all blue States there is virtually no chance.

You do realize this sounds like a complete 180 from your ranting and raving about the effect of demographics on the electorate, right?

I wonder if NYC or LA will throw any largesse down to your bayous under your preferred system? hmm


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[JohnStOnge]

Yes, I do. But I do think there is potential to develop sufficient support for going to direct popular vote in Presidential elections.

So, have at it! Two-thirds vote of both houses of Congress, and ratification by three-fourths of the states. Piece of cake!

I doubt that I will be a leader in any such movement. But the point is that if you have a problem with the Constitution there is a process for changing it. In the case of the Electoral College it should be possible to make both sides see benefits to eliminate it.

For example: If you are a Republican you need to understand that both Texas and Florida are evolving demographically towards becoming "blue" states in Presidential elections. The States with the largest electoral vote totals are California, Texas, New York, and Florida. California and New York went for the Democrat last time by 30 and 23 percentage points. Texas and Florida went for the Republican by 9 and 1 percentage points. The 2012 State by State exit polls are not readily available but between 2008 and 2016 the percent White vote in Texas went from 63% to 57% and that in Florida went from 71% to 62%. The handwriting is on the wall. Texas and Florida ARE going to flip, at some point, to being reliably blue.

If you are a Republican, do you want the President to be elected through the electoral college under circumstances where the four largest electoral college States that had 151 electoral votes in 2016 are firmly in the "blue" column? That's going to happen.

[Ivytalk]

So, have at it! Two-thirds vote of both houses of Congress, and ratification by three-fourths of the states. Piece of cake!

I doubt that I will be a leader in any such movement. But the point is that if you have a problem with the Constitution there is a process for changing it. In the case of the Electoral College it should be possible to make both sides see benefits to eliminate it.

For example: If you are a Republican you need to understand that both Texas and Florida are evolving demographically towards becoming "blue" states in Presidential elections. The States with the largest electoral vote totals are California, Texas, New York, and Florida. California and New York went for the Democrat last time by 30 and 23 percentage points. Texas and Florida went for the Republican by 9 and 1 percentage points. The 2012 State by State exit polls are not readily available but between 2008 and 2016 the percent White vote in Texas went from 63% to 57% and that in Florida went from 71% to 62%. The handwriting is on the wall. Texas and Florida ARE going to flip, at some point, to being reliably blue.

If you are a Republican, do you want the President to be elected through the electoral college under circumstances where the four largest electoral college States that had 151 electoral votes in 2016 are firmly in the "blue" column? That's going to happen.

So, you still haven’t answered the question. If the population trends continue and those states all turn bluer than a polar bear’s dick, there’s no need to eliminate the EC.

By the way, John, once these demographic trends happen and we have a solid Donk electorate that elects Sanders-type socialists and public-assistance freeloaders for the rest of your life, you’ll be bitching and moaning worse than anyone — if you are a true conservative, which I doubt. All in the name of getting rid of Trump.

[JohnStOnge]

I doubt that I will be a leader in any such movement. But the point is that if you have a problem with the Constitution there is a process for changing it. In the case of the Electoral College it should be possible to make both sides see benefits to eliminate it.

For example: If you are a Republican you need to understand that both Texas and Florida are evolving demographically towards becoming "blue" states in Presidential elections. The States with the largest electoral vote totals are California, Texas, New York, and Florida. California and New York went for the Democrat last time by 30 and 23 percentage points. Texas and Florida went for the Republican by 9 and 1 percentage points. The 2012 State by State exit polls are not readily available but between 2008 and 2016 the percent White vote in Texas went from 63% to 57% and that in Florida went from 71% to 62%. The handwriting is on the wall. Texas and Florida ARE going to flip, at some point, to being reliably blue.

If you are a Republican, do you want the President to be elected through the electoral college under circumstances where the four largest electoral college States that had 151 electoral votes in 2016 are firmly in the "blue" column? That's going to happen.

So, you still haven’t answered the question. If the population trends continue and those states all turn bluer than a polar bear’s dick, there’s no need to eliminate the EC.

By the way, John, once these demographic trends happen and we have a solid Donk electorate that elects Sanders-type socialists and public-assistance freeloaders for the rest of your life, you’ll be bitching and moaning worse than anyone — if you are a true conservative, which I doubt. All in the name of getting rid of Trump.

To avoid the "inevitable" what Republicans/Conservatives needed was to convince those in the changing demographic with respect to Conservative philosophy. Trump is the worst thing that could possibly have happened with respect to that effort. The Conservative "brand" is being absolutely destroyed right now.

[Baldy]

Is this poor soul Dback or Trip?

[Ivytalk]

So, you still haven’t answered the question. If the population trends continue and those states all turn bluer than a polar bear’s dick, there’s no need to eliminate the EC.

By the way, John, once these demographic trends happen and we have a solid Donk electorate that elects Sanders-type socialists and public-assistance freeloaders for the rest of your life, you’ll be bitching and moaning worse than anyone — if you are a true conservative, which I doubt. All in the name of getting rid of Trump.

To avoid the "inevitable" what Republicans/Conservatives needed was to convince those in the changing demographic with respect to Conservative philosophy. Trump is the worst thing that could possibly have happened with respect to that effort. The Conservative "brand" is being absolutely destroyed right now.

An “effort” that you ran away from. Congratulations.

[Winterborn]

Any guesses on who he nominates?

Don Willett would be a interesting choice since he is an avid twitter user. And which Twitter couldn't ask for better advertising than a dual between the President and the Supreme Court.

*duel

And he just got on the appellate bench. Needs more seasoning.

Twitter use not a plus.

Missed that he was on the appellate bench. Agree on the seasoning and twitter. It is a balance between being young enough to have a long influence and old enough that there is enough work to judge how one will likely vote.

Diane Sykes would seem to be a good choice, Federalist Society member and originalist.

[css75]

The Constitution is working exactly like it was designed. Blithering idiots....

Puhleeaaaaaase.

It's now going to a full three branch control. And 51 votes in the Senate gets anything through, including judicial nominations. The GOP has worn down checks and balances so much that it's essentially non-existent. And a progressive generation will have to deal with a regressive court long after you're dead.

The system is broken; it's time to throw it out.

We can all thank Harry Reid, a great democrat, for 51 votes now in the Senate.

Are you just trying to tweak us with your insane ideas, or do you actually believe that nonsense? If you believe it, you have to be a Millennial as they have no brains.


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[∞∞∞]

You do realize what it takes to amend the Constitution, don’t you? Have at it, big guy!

The Constitution is a social contract; it's only as good as the people want it to be. It can be amended without going through its clauses and it means nothing if people don't care.

Conservatives haven't cared for a while; I hope liberals will stop caring soon too.

Then the real implosion can begin.

[css75]

You sound confused:

It's the greatest most successful experiment of the century and represents progress, adventure, innovation and justice yet we're being passed up and left behind by multiple other countries?

You love its institutions yet you want to throw out the one document on which the entire basis of the country was built?

Which is it? You sound confused...

Of course I would. I may love something, but if it's not working, I don't stick with it. I love the Constitution; it's an amazing document written by philosophical geniuses. But it's also a product of the late 1700s and no longer accurately represents the populace of this nation.

And yes, America is being passed. It's still the greatest society on Earth, but not if things continue on this road. You know which nation and group of nations I'm talking about; the list isn't long.

You just stated a few posts back you wanted to throw the constitution out, you are either trolling or another product of liberal public education.


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[css75]

I doubt that I will be a leader in any such movement. But the point is that if you have a problem with the Constitution there is a process for changing it. In the case of the Electoral College it should be possible to make both sides see benefits to eliminate it.

For example: If you are a Republican you need to understand that both Texas and Florida are evolving demographically towards becoming "blue" states in Presidential elections. The States with the largest electoral vote totals are California, Texas, New York, and Florida. California and New York went for the Democrat last time by 30 and 23 percentage points. Texas and Florida went for the Republican by 9 and 1 percentage points. The 2012 State by State exit polls are not readily available but between 2008 and 2016 the percent White vote in Texas went from 63% to 57% and that in Florida went from 71% to 62%. The handwriting is on the wall. Texas and Florida ARE going to flip, at some point, to being reliably blue.

If you are a Republican, do you want the President to be elected through the electoral college under circumstances where the four largest electoral college States that had 151 electoral votes in 2016 are firmly in the "blue" column? That's going to happen.

So, you still haven’t answered the question. If the population trends continue and those states all turn bluer than a polar bear’s dick, there’s no need to eliminate the EC.

By the way, John, once these demographic trends happen and we have a solid Donk electorate that elects Sanders-type socialists and public-assistance freeloaders for the rest of your life, you’ll be bitching and moaning worse than anyone — if you are a true conservative, which I doubt. All in the name of getting rid of Trump.

No, he won’t be bitching because free speech will be one of the first things to go.


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[Ivytalk]

You do realize what it takes to amend the Constitution, don’t you? Have at it, big guy!

The Constitution is a social contract; it's only as good as the people want it to be. It can be amended without going through its clauses and it means nothing if people don't care.

Conservatives haven't cared for a while; I hope liberals will stop caring soon too.

Then the real implosion can begin.

So you’re just a feckless young nihilist at heart. Got it.

[∞∞∞]

The Constitution is a social contract; it's only as good as the people want it to be. It can be amended without going through its clauses and it means nothing if people don't care.

Conservatives haven't cared for a while; I hope liberals will stop caring soon too.

Then the real implosion can begin.

So you’re just a feckless young nihilist at heart. Got it.

This nation needs a major shake up; it's clear the Constitution isn't working and hasn't been for a while. Or split the nation and end this ridiculous 50 state relationship. I have nothing in common with the people of the heartland; let them do their thing and let the coasts do theirs:

East Coast of America, West Coast of America, United States of America, Utah, and Texas. We can continue having economic relationships, open borders, and military alliances, but governance can be separate.

[93henfan]

Time to throw out the Constitution. It certainly isn't working anymore for the majority of Americans.

The nation continues to progress while the government is regressing. And in the meanwhile, the world continues to leave us behind socially, environmentally, and economically.

This post makes me so happy that Kennedy is retiring.

[93henfan]

Canada better get to work on their wall

Yeah man, get up there while you still can. Take your friends.

[93henfan]

Puhleeaaaaaase.

It's now going to a full three branch control. And 51 votes in the Senate gets anything through, including judicial nominations. The GOP has worn down checks and balances so much that it's essentially non-existent. And a progressive generation will have to deal with a regressive court long after you're dead.

The system is broken; it's time to throw it out.

Harry Reid's in the GOP? He was warned about killing the filibuster...

Dynamite. Fire source.

[AZGrizFan]

Except when it's used to build roads, schools, win wars, maintain public lands, and keep the hoi poloi from taking up pitchforks.

Seriously...you guys crack me the **** up.

Look! A socialist fire fighter just saved a cat! A librarian just checked out a book...for free!

BOO!!!!!!!!

So you equate a Constitutionally mandated service (the military) to being socialist???

Other government services like building roads - socialism???

Interesting perspective...dumb, but interesting...

IT’s such a lame-ass argument I rarely even respond to it....it’s a huge talking point for the left tho.

[AZGrizFan]

So you’re just a feckless young nihilist at heart. Got it.

This nation needs a major shake up; it's clear the Constitution isn't working and hasn't been for a while. Or split the nation and end this ridiculous 50 state relationship. I have nothing in common with the people of the heartland; let them do their thing and let the coasts do theirs:

East Coast of America, West Coast of America, United States of America, Utah, and Texas. We can continue having economic relationships, open borders, and military alliances, but governance can be separate.

Jesus, what a fucking drama queen.

[SDHornet]

Time to throw out the Constitution. It certainly isn't working anymore for the majority of Americans.

The nation continues to progress while the government is regressing. And in the meanwhile, the world continues to leave us behind socially, environmentally, and economically.

Yep. That's why people are flocking to the borders of _________ (fill in the blank, because it doesn't fucking matter), beating down the fences to get in, because America is being left behind socially, environmentally and economically.

You have gone full retard, trip. Never go full retard.

No shit.

Trips TDS finally pushed him over the edge.

[SDHornet]

Socialism isn't taboo anymore. It's not a scary word for me, or many young people.

When you say "it's socialism," none of us cringe.

It doesn't matter if you cringe or not. What's that have to do with anything? Ask the current socialist countries how socialism is working?

But Venezuela is doing just fine.

[SDHornet]

This nation needs a major shake up; it's clear the Constitution isn't working and hasn't been for a while. Or split the nation and end this ridiculous 50 state relationship. I have nothing in common with the people of the heartland; let them do their thing and let the coasts do theirs:

East Coast of America, West Coast of America, United States of America, Utah, and Texas. We can continue having economic relationships, open borders, and military alliances, but governance can be separate.

In other words:


These leftist tears are so delicious.