PA Catholic Pedo Scandal

[89Hen]

Homily yesterday was easily the most difficult I could imagine. The pastor at the church we went do did a pretty good job. No excuses, no sidestepping. He apologized on behalf of the church and said everyone had to be held accountable. He went on to say other things that you heathens wouldn't care for, so we'll leave it at that.

Was it more of that, "love thy neighbor" crap?

No, had more to do with evil and hell.

[Ibanez]

Was it more of that, "love thy neighbor" crap?

No, had more to do with evil and hell.

Ah.

[93henfan]

As for "sweeping it under the rug" -- since it is news to almost everyone that Catholic clergy are less likely to abuse children than other adult males, this means that other organizations have swept this under the rug too and, to date, managed to keep it there.

This argument is just...*cringe*

Yep, and that’s how they’re trying to shape the argument.

Sure, our gang of child rapists got young girls pregnant and made them get abortions, got young boys drunk and gang-raped them, put special gold crosses on certain boys they already molested so other perverted fag child molester priests would know they were already desensitized to the horror and likely wouldn’t squeal...

on and on thousands of times...

But then you read the quotes from the Catholics who attended mass this past weekend. They’re trying to parrot Joe’s “but everyone’s buttfucking little kids” argument. It’s absolutely sickening:

Among his parishioners, the willingness to confront the allegations was much harder to find.

Marsha Mauser, a Mass attendee, said she agreed with Father Adams, but the Catholic church has a complex 2,000-year history.

"It's part of life, the church is an organization like any other organization," Mauser said. "It's going to have its problems. It draws from the world, so it draws from the problems of the world.

"Things happen. It happened, it's over. We need to move on," another Saint Ursula's congregant, Bob Lang, said.

His wife, Gina, agreed she'd rather not dwell on the allegations.

"I just feel sorry for [the priests]. Because it happens in all religions. It's not just the Catholic. And they're bringing the Catholic out. And there's other people who are doing it," she said.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/19/63999791 ... use-report

Shame, shame, shame on these complicit brainwashed psychos.

[AZGrizFan]

The Psychology Today article at https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... lic-church supports what you say in that regard except that it refers to the population of adult MALES in general.

The problem is that, time and again, we find that the management of the Catholic Church sought to sweep it under the rug.

I also wonder if the standard for Catholic Priests should be comparison to the population of adult males in general.

Yes, I should have said adult male population.

As for "sweeping it under the rug" -- since it is news to almost everyone that Catholic clergy are less likely to abuse children than other adult males, this means that other organizations have swept this under the rug too and, to date, managed to keep it there.

what "other organizations" are you referring to, Joe?

[93henfan]

Yes, I should have said adult male population.

As for "sweeping it under the rug" -- since it is news to almost everyone that Catholic clergy are less likely to abuse children than other adult males, this means that other organizations have swept this under the rug too and, to date, managed to keep it there.

what "other organizations" are you referring to, Joe?

Young man, there's no need to feel down
I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground
I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy
Young man, there's a place you can go
I said, young man, when you're short on your dough
You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time
It's fun to stay at the YMCA

[AZGrizFan]

what "other organizations" are you referring to, Joe?

Young man, there's no need to feel down
I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground
I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy
Young man, there's a place you can go
I said, young man, when you're short on your dough
You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time
It's fun to stay at the YMCA

You able to just rattle that off off the top of your head?

[93henfan]

Young man, there's no need to feel down
I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground
I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy
Young man, there's a place you can go
I said, young man, when you're short on your dough
You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time
It's fun to stay at the YMCA

You able to just rattle that off off the top of your head?

You should check this hot, new internet feature called “cutting and pasting.” It’s the best!

[HI54UNI]

Local catholic churches have good people and do many good things. The Catholic Church is corrupt as hell. They've known this stuff has been going on for years and few are held accountable. They moved priests around knowing they were pedos and let them do it again at a new location. This line of "we're not as bad as other organizations" is a bunch of bullshit. Why would you try and make an argument of "well I only raped one boy and that guy over there raped 2 (maybe) so why aren't you criticizing him?

Priests have taken vows of poverty but look at how the ones in the Church hierarchy live and what they wear and what it costs. Seems like all that money could be put to use helping the poor. What's the value of the artwork that's in storage? Or the value of all the artwork? How much could be sold and the money put to good use helping the poor?

[dbackjon]

You able to just rattle that off off the top of your head?

You should check this hot, new internet feature called “cutting and pasting.” It’s the best!

It's resolutionairy!

[JoltinJoe]

Yes, I should have said adult male population.

As for "sweeping it under the rug" -- since it is news to almost everyone that Catholic clergy are less likely to abuse children than other adult males, this means that other organizations have swept this under the rug too and, to date, managed to keep it there.

what "other organizations" are you referring to, Joe?

Well, let's start with mainline Protestant denominations. Historically, church councils quietly cut loose an abusive pastor. A few months later, he 'd get hired by another church a few hundred miles away. Heck, Billy Graham's grandson recently said, after performing a study, that he believed that the system of sexual abuse cover-up was even more pervasive in Protestant denominations than in the Catholic Church. Parents were encouraged to stay silent in order to avoid scandal that would damage the church. Sound familiar? Then you can throw Jewish sects and the Jehovah's Witnesses on top of that.

I saw a report recently that in one year in New York city schools, there were 225 reports of sexual abuse, and not one of them was reported to law enforcement.

Look, the historical norm for everyone -- families, school districts, religious schools and churches -- has been cover-up. If you place any organization under the same degree of scrutiny, you could write the same report.

Anyone who claims otherwise is just full of shit.

[JoltinJoe]

As for "sweeping it under the rug" -- since it is news to almost everyone that Catholic clergy are less likely to abuse children than other adult males, this means that other organizations have swept this under the rug too and, to date, managed to keep it there.

This argument is just...*cringe*

You're just full of shit.

What your response says is that you don't care that other organizations have gotten away with and are still getting away with it. You don't care that the abuse just goes on and gets swept under the rug.

Scrutiny of all organizations is good for children. The one organization that has been placed under the microscope now has an abuse rate of nearly zero percent.

Place other organizations under the microscope, and they will be forced to reform and get to that point too.

We don't do children any good by pretending this is a "Catholic" problem.

[dbackjon]

You gonna go with the company line and "blame the gays"?

https://www.catholicaction.org/cardinal ... gy_scandal

Cardinal Raymond Burke: It was clear after the studies following the 2002 sexual abuse crisis that most of the acts of abuse were in fact homosexual acts committed with adolescent young men. There was a studied attempt to either overlook or to deny this. Now it seems clear in light of these recent terrible scandals that indeed there is a homosexual culture, not only among the clergy but even within the hierarchy, which needs to be purified at the root. It is of course a tendency that is disordered.

I think it has been considerably aggravated by the anti-life culture in which we live, namely the contraceptive culture that separates the sexual act from the conjugal union. The sexual act has no meaning whatsoever except between a man and a woman in marriage since the conjugal act is by its very nature for procreation. I believe that there needs to be an open recognition that we have a very grave problem of a homosexual culture in the Church, especially among the clergy and the hierarchy, that needs to be addressed honestly and efficaciously.

[JoltinJoe]

Yes, I should have said adult male population.

As for "sweeping it under the rug" -- since it is news to almost everyone that Catholic clergy are less likely to abuse children than other adult males, this means that other organizations have swept this under the rug too and, to date, managed to keep it there.

That has zero bearing on the issue at hand. This is about the Catholic Church...not how they compare to some other organization. Minimizing the crime, to me, isn't an appropriate response. I get your position though, you're defending the church.

Mark, I'm not defending the Church. Its conduct was reprehensible and stupid.

I'm defending children today. We don't do them any good by pretending that only kids of Catholics have to worry.

As I said, the historical norm in all organizations was cover-up. That norm continues in many organizations today because no one has placed any other organization under the microscope.

[dbackjon]

As long as "men" like Burke are still Cardinals, nothing you say or do (and looking at you, Francis) will change how badly the Church hierarchy is looked upon.


It's a shame, because that only leads to people to stop supporting the good deeds many Catholic lay and charities do.

[JoltinJoe]

You gonna go with the company line and "blame the gays"?

https://www.catholicaction.org/cardinal ... gy_scandal

Cardinal Raymond Burke: It was clear after the studies following the 2002 sexual abuse crisis that most of the acts of abuse were in fact homosexual acts committed with adolescent young men. There was a studied attempt to either overlook or to deny this. Now it seems clear in light of these recent terrible scandals that indeed there is a homosexual culture, not only among the clergy but even within the hierarchy, which needs to be purified at the root. It is of course a tendency that is disordered.

I think it has been considerably aggravated by the anti-life culture in which we live, namely the contraceptive culture that separates the sexual act from the conjugal union. The sexual act has no meaning whatsoever except between a man and a woman in marriage since the conjugal act is by its very nature for procreation. I believe that there needs to be an open recognition that we have a very grave problem of a homosexual culture in the Church, especially among the clergy and the hierarchy, that needs to be addressed honestly and efficaciously.

This is the problem with this issue. Everyone has an agenda and for too few that agenda is accurate information in order to correct these problems and save kids everywhere from abuse.

Study after study confirms a gay male is no more likely to engage in sexual abuse of a child than a heterosexual male. The Catholic Church has studied its own experience and determined that a gay orientation was a non-factor in its crisis.

[dbackjon]

You gonna go with the company line and "blame the gays"?

https://www.catholicaction.org/cardinal ... gy_scandal

This is the problem with this issue. Everyone has an agenda and for too few that agenda is accurate information in order to correct these problems and save kids everywhere from abuse.

Study after study confirms a gay male is no more likely to engage in sexual abuse of a child than a heterosexual male. The Catholic Church has studied its own experience and determined that a gay orientation was a non-factor in its crisis.

Yet Burke, while he has been demoted a few times, gets new duties and continues to spew this. If the Church wants to get serious, cutting off people like him is step one.

[Ibanez]

As long as "men" like Burke are still Cardinals, nothing you say or do (and looking at you, Francis) will change how badly the Church hierarchy is looked upon.


It's a shame, because that only leads to people to stop supporting the good deeds many Catholic lay and charities do.

Meanwhile, in SC, the Catholic Church is experiencing a boom in new members and new parishes while Protestant churches are losing members and closing up shop.


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[Bisonfanatical]

You are so right!

This argument is just...*cringe*

Yep, and that’s how they’re trying to shape the argument.

Sure, our gang of child rapists got young girls pregnant and made them get abortions, got young boys drunk and gang-raped them, put special gold crosses on certain boys they already molested so other perverted fag child molester priests would know they were already desensitized to the horror and likely wouldn’t squeal...

on and on thousands of times...

But then you read the quotes from the Catholics who attended mass this past weekend. They’re trying to parrot Joe’s “but everyone’s buttfucking little kids” argument. It’s absolutely sickening:

Among his parishioners, the willingness to confront the allegations was much harder to find.

Marsha Mauser, a Mass attendee, said she agreed with Father Adams, but the Catholic church has a complex 2,000-year history.

"It's part of life, the church is an organization like any other organization," Mauser said. "It's going to have its problems. It draws from the world, so it draws from the problems of the world.

"Things happen. It happened, it's over. We need to move on," another Saint Ursula's congregant, Bob Lang, said.

His wife, Gina, agreed she'd rather not dwell on the allegations.

"I just feel sorry for [the priests]. Because it happens in all religions. It's not just the Catholic. And they're bringing the Catholic out. And there's other people who are doing it," she said.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/19/63999791 ... use-report

Shame, shame, shame on these complicit brainwashed psychos.

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[Bisonfanatical]

This argument is just...*cringe*

You're just full of ****.

What your response says is that you don't care that other organizations have gotten away with and are still getting away with it. You don't care that the abuse just goes on and gets swept under the rug.

Scrutiny of all organizations is good for children. The one organization that has been placed under the microscope now has an abuse rate of nearly zero percent.

Place other organizations under the microscope, and they will be forced to reform and get to that point too.

We don't do children any good by pretending this is a "Catholic" problem.

Of course you have to start somewhere?

Let's start with the known criminals in the public eye right now ... the Catholic priests ... resolve it ... and go on to any other known criminals out there!

#meknew


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[SeattleGriz]

As long as "men" like Burke are still Cardinals, nothing you say or do (and looking at you, Francis) will change how badly the Church hierarchy is looked upon.


It's a shame, because that only leads to people to stop supporting the good deeds many Catholic lay and charities do.

Meanwhile, in SC, the Catholic Church is experiencing a boom in new members and new parishes while Protestant churches are losing members and closing up shop.


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Any idea why that is? Do you have a lot of C and S Americans moving there?

[houndawg]

For the record, this is sickening. Especially with Cardinal Keeler involved. He was about to have the new HS named after him.
But 1000 kids since 1940's is 13.693 a year. The headline is misleading. Not excusing any of this. One of the priests in Balt/Washington was in my families church in Columbia, MD. He always freaked me and my brother out. My mom too. He would stare at us during Mass. We were both twice his size, so no real worries. He was transferred to Towson parrish in the early 90's. One of the handful of times I did go to Mass during my college days, he was there, and stared again.
Years later he was arrested. **** him.

But priest are human. I understand that.

Who would you expect to be attracted to a church that excludes women?

[houndawg]

Those guys don't like me but I miss 'em.

Hear that CID? He thinks you're the Cap'n!

[houndawg]

D can bench press more than me

He's also more cultured.... that was near DuPont Circle in DC a few years back

he had traveled there for the purpose of visiting some specific art galleries, I believe


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The art gallery with the dancers?

[houndawg]

Those guys don't like me but I miss 'em.

The one guy is Cid. And on that note, Cid is as big as D1B, I'm going to start calling him sir.

I'm going to need a concealed carry permit.

[houndawg]

D can bench press more than me

He's also more cultured.... that was near DuPont Circle in DC a few years back

he had traveled there for the purpose of visiting some specific art galleries, I believe


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He is cultured and sharp. His persona on the board was just his schtick. In person, as you know, he's easy-going and speaks in a quiet and genuinely warm way. He is obviously well read and a great conversationalist.

He came to New York about five years ago to see some of the museums and we hooked up for a ballgame and a dinner in a great Italian joint in Belmont. A great time. He has his opinions, but in person, he's much more laid about things. He also has a great sense of humor.

We've been texting over the PA report.

That has to apply to everyone here.....I hope