How will Donald Trump change politics and the presidency?

[kalm]

Nothing socialist about making the playing field equal. What's done on the field is up to the players.

The only thing fair in life...is that it isn't.

And I brought up socialist b/c that seems to be the DNC trend.....well really fascist but you get my meaning.

[∞∞∞]

Nothing socialist about making the playing field equal. What's done on the field is up to the players.

The only thing fair in life...is that it isn't.

Agreed. And progress is acknowledging the problem and addressing it.

[bluehenbillk]

Don't worry, we'll do something about it.

But people like Bluehen and Gannon won't like it because it'll create an equal playing field and make America a fairer nation. They've been milking other Americans for way too long.

I'd love to know more of your thoughts on an "equal playing field". Sure I'll agree where you grow up & what kind of education form high school down plays a decent part in that, but again I'd love to know what's not equal.

I'll give you the same advice I give everyone: start saving early, save as much as you're comfortable with, that number should grow over time as your career & your earnings grow. If they're not growing then the problem is either you, the company you work for or the field you're in..

[Ibanez]

The only thing fair in life...is that it isn't.

Agreed. And progress is acknowledging the problem and addressing it.

So we agree.


Now, I’m not saying a woman should be paid less just because she’s a woman. But she shouldn’t be paid the same or more just because she’s a woman. That doesn’t create quality. In fact, it exacerbates inequality.


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[93henfan]

If you haven't received an economic benefit personally since Trump defeated Hillary or haven't seen it around you, I just feel bad for you, you're blind or you just are like the fake news who don't want to give him credit for anything.

My 401(k) has been on overdrive and more people are working and more people are making more money. It's not just the 1%ers - blacks & Hispanic communities are also seeing the growth.

It must be nice to live in the bubble. Most Americans are minimally in the stock market, especially people my age because we're paid less than past generations, have more student loans, can't afford our own homes, and barely have enough at the end of each month to save up for retirement.

But hey, at least your 401K is doing well. Glad you had all those awesome economic opportunities growing up, and nice of you to pull the ladder up behind you. Companies took away pension plans, unions became demonized, inflation outgrew wages and educational costs (the latter by a significant percent), homes stopped being homes and became investment opportunities, and America borrowed against our future.

But again, congrats on your 401K.

So sad.

[93henfan]

It must be nice to live in the bubble. Most Americans are minimally in the stock market, especially people my age because we're paid less than past generations, have more student loans, can't afford our own homes, and barely have enough at the end of each month to save up for retirement.

But hey, at least your 401K is doing well. Glad you had all those awesome economic opportunities growing up, and nice of you to pull the ladder up behind you. Companies took away pension plans, unions became demonized, inflation outgrew wages and educational costs (the latter by a significant percent), homes stopped being homes and became investment opportunities, and America borrowed against our future.

But again, congrats on your 401K.

Cry me a freaking river. And yes, I said freaking.

Pension plans have basically been gone for anyone working anytime in the past 30 years. I started working in the early 90's and never had a pension. Get over it. As Clint Eastwood so eloquently said in the movie "Heartbreak Ridge" - adapt, improvise.

Unions? You're relying on a union to do what for you exactly? Unless you're a teacher, then unions don't really do a lot of value today anyway. Workplaces are extremely safe (not perfect, but pretty good), the environment is largely clean (again, not perfect, but infinitely better than 40 years ago) - unions deserve a lot of credit for those improvements. But what are they doing today other than protecting the least common denominator?

Inflation? Seriously, you're complaining about inflation? Do you even know what inflation is? There have been countless threads on here about people spending beyond their means to keep up with what they see as the "required things" to spend on. Spend within your means and it's amazing how much more affordable life is. As for the education part of it, again, cry me a river. People have been talking about how overpriced college has been for more than two decades now. Don't want to be saddled with all that student debt? Then don't get into it to begin with. Either take up a trade or go to a more reasonably priced college, of which there are plenty of them. Kids spending $40k plus a year to get a sociology degree from some private school like Clemson made a bad choice. There are plenty of cheaper options out there that give you the same education.

Homes being too expensive? Again, look around. Maybe you'll need to commute a little farther than you want to (heck, I still drive up to an hour each day in my commute and I've been working almost 25 years), maybe you're looking for a house that you can't afford anyway. I lived in an apartment where bugs came to die for the first several years of my working life (again, not ancient history, we're talking the 90's) with a freight train railroad right next door that had train traffic anytime during a 24 hour period. I didn't move into a McMansion when I graduated college. Suck it up and live somewhere where you can save money and then buy the house you want.

America borrowed against our future??? Seriously, how is the national debt impacting you every day? They had a national debt clock up in Times Square when I was a kid - might still have one somewhere now. It has had zero impact on my working life and will continue to have no impact long after I'm retired a couple of decades from now. Stop being a snowflake and get over it.

Your post is a quintessential piece of whiny, weak-kneed, infantile crap. And again, I said crap. Stop whining and stop looking for people to carry you or your generation. Nothing replaces hard work and smart managing of your life and your own money. Your generational group-think-whine is starting to be farcical. Grow up.

[bluehenbillk]

Gannon did nail it. So many snowflakes today expect success just to be handed to them. Life can be full of hard knocks and detours. If things aren't going you way then change them instead of looking for excuses.

[89Hen]

Like I've said before, it will be interesting to see how Trip turns out when he grows up.

[kalm]

Don't worry, we'll do something about it.

But people like Bluehen and Gannon won't like it because it'll create an equal playing field and make America a fairer nation. They've been milking other Americans for way too long.

I'd love to know more of your thoughts on an "equal playing field". Sure I'll agree where you grow up & what kind of education form high school down plays a decent part in that, but again I'd love to know what's not equal.

I'll give you the same advice I give everyone: start saving early, save as much as you're comfortable with, that number should grow over time as your career & your earnings grow. If they're not growing then the problem is either you, the company you work for or the field you're in..

Seriously? That’s the only inequality you’re aware of in our economic system?

Wow.

[Chizzang]

Such a sad thread...
This should be called the "Bias Confirmation Thread"

Each side can cherry pick what's historically awful right now and what's historically excellent
and then blame the president or award the president credit

[GannonFan]

Don't worry, we'll do something about it.

But people like Bluehen and Gannon won't like it because it'll create an equal playing field and make America a fairer nation. They've been milking other Americans for way too long.

Do what exactly? A guaranteed job with enough guaranteed money to buy the guaranteed house you want that's a walk down the street from that job so that you don't have to set the alarm and wake up early? And you get that job right out of college, which someone else pays for, and you get to keep that job, regardless of performance, for your working life, and then you can retire with full salary and full benefits until you die? And everyone who wants that gets that? How exactly does that happen?

You're not a minority (as far as I know), you're not a woman (as far as I know), and you're not an immigrant (again, as far as I know). When we talk about leveling the playing field it's mainly to get those previously discriminated classes (and I'm sure there are others, it's not an exhaustive list) to no longer be discriminated against. But even then, the right to a certain outcome is never going to be guaranteed. Even when we institute a national health system, which will happen in the next 10-30 years, it's still going to be like England's much vaunted NHS - everyone will be guaranteed the same basic health care, and then those with means (i.e. money) will go outside the system for better care when they need to.

You talk as if your generation is put down and discriminated against because you have to enter the workforce and, well, work. And it's not been super duper easy. Get over it. If you made a mistake and are buried in student debt because you picked a really expensive college then blame your parents for not steering you straight and picky the equally good college that was half the cost. I'm not opposed to some version of student debt relief, but it's going to be complicated and it's not going to happen overnight so start planning to deal with it. Can't find a job? Be prepared to compromise - be prepared to move, be prepared to commute, be prepared to take something a little outside of your field if need be.

Adapt. Improvise. Good words to live by.

[bluehenbillk]

Don't worry, we'll do something about it.

But people like Bluehen and Gannon won't like it because it'll create an equal playing field and make America a fairer nation. They've been milking other Americans for way too long.

Do what exactly? A guaranteed job with enough guaranteed money to buy the guaranteed house you want that's a walk down the street from that job so that you don't have to set the alarm and wake up early? And you get that job right out of college, which someone else pays for, and you get to keep that job, regardless of performance, for your working life, and then you can retire with full salary and full benefits until you die? And everyone who wants that gets that? How exactly does that happen?

You're not a minority (as far as I know), you're not a woman (as far as I know), and you're not an immigrant (again, as far as I know). When we talk about leveling the playing field it's mainly to get those previously discriminated classes (and I'm sure there are others, it's not an exhaustive list) to no longer be discriminated against. But even then, the right to a certain outcome is never going to be guaranteed. Even when we institute a national health system, which will happen in the next 10-30 years, it's still going to be like England's much vaunted NHS - everyone will be guaranteed the same basic health care, and then those with means (i.e. money) will go outside the system for better care when they need to.

You talk as if your generation is put down and discriminated against because you have to enter the workforce and, well, work. And it's not been super duper easy. Get over it. If you made a mistake and are buried in student debt because you picked a really expensive college then blame your parents for not steering you straight and picky the equally good college that was half the cost. I'm not opposed to some version of student debt relief, but it's going to be complicated and it's not going to happen overnight so start planning to deal with it. Can't find a job? Be prepared to compromise - be prepared to move, be prepared to commute, be prepared to take something a little outside of your field if need be.

Adapt. Improvise. Good words to live by.

D.A.M.N. Gannon is on a roll today spreading #truth

[Ibanez]

Don't worry, we'll do something about it.

But people like Bluehen and Gannon won't like it because it'll create an equal playing field and make America a fairer nation. They've been milking other Americans for way too long.

Do what exactly? A guaranteed job with enough guaranteed money to buy the guaranteed house you want that's a walk down the street from that job so that you don't have to set the alarm and wake up early? And you get that job right out of college, which someone else pays for, and you get to keep that job, regardless of performance, for your working life, and then you can retire with full salary and full benefits until you die? And everyone who wants that gets that? How exactly does that happen?

You're not a minority (as far as I know), you're not a woman (as far as I know), and you're not an immigrant (again, as far as I know). When we talk about leveling the playing field it's mainly to get those previously discriminated classes (and I'm sure there are others, it's not an exhaustive list) to no longer be discriminated against. But even then, the right to a certain outcome is never going to be guaranteed. Even when we institute a national health system, which will happen in the next 10-30 years, it's still going to be like England's much vaunted NHS - everyone will be guaranteed the same basic health care, and then those with means (i.e. money) will go outside the system for better care when they need to.

You talk as if your generation is put down and discriminated against because you have to enter the workforce and, well, work. And it's not been super duper easy. Get over it. If you made a mistake and are buried in student debt because you picked a really expensive college then blame your parents for not steering you straight and picky the equally good college that was half the cost. I'm not opposed to some version of student debt relief, but it's going to be complicated and it's not going to happen overnight so start planning to deal with it. Can't find a job? Be prepared to compromise - be prepared to move, be prepared to commute, be prepared to take something a little outside of your field if need be.

Adapt. Improvise. Good words to live by.

Selfishly - I'd love to have some relief from student loans. Or have all the damn taxes that I've paid in the past 15 years count against my balance or something. But that degree, as useless as it seems to me now, it's served me well that I have a good, high paying job in a field that is only growing and is extremely vital to not just my industry, but just about any industry out there.

Actually - I think I have a year or two before the balance is forgiven.

[Chizzang]

Um...
that looks like a pop up can of corn routine out

[CAA Flagship]

Um...
that looks like a pop up can of corn routine out

Wind is blowing out.

[Ibanez]

Um...
that looks like a pop up can of corn routine out

That's what came up when I googled, Babe Ruth homerun .gif.


you've got problems...take it up with the Babe

[CAA Flagship]

Um...
that looks like a pop up can of corn routine out

That's what came up when I googled, Babe Ruth homerun .gif.


you've got problems...take it up with Google

FIFY

[Ibanez]

That's what came up when I googled, Babe Ruth homerun .gif.


you've got problems...take it up with Google

FIFY

It's a vast, left-wing conspiracy.

[Pwns]

I agree with most of GF's big ink spillage, but there's one thing I kind of have to take Trip's side on, and that's college costs.

Yes, you can go to a college that has two compass directions in it's name where the average freshman SAT is south of 1000 and save some money. But you're still going to pay an amount that's not easily affordable for most families. You're not going to be able to study engineering like Trip did or a lot of STEM fields. Your alma mater might be looked down upon by grad school admissions. You might not have as many people with connections where you can get internships and co-ops.

There's just no comparison to what college costs today compared to what the boomers and Gen X paid even after adjusting for inflation. My maternal grandmother never worked a day in her life and her dad had no college education and they payed for the college education of two kids and some private school education as well.

And there are a lot of millenials that make very bad college choices, but I'm seeing every other week articles lamenting the decline of the humanities and the transformation of four-year schools into vocational training, as well as articles about colleges closing from declining enrollment.

[CAA Flagship]

Yes, you can go to a college that has two compass directions in it's name where the average freshman SAT is south of 1000 and save some money. But you're still going to pay an amount that's not easily affordable for most families. You're not going to be able to study engineering like Trip did or a lot of STEM fields. Your alma mater might be looked down upon by grad school admissions. You might not have as many people with connections where you can get internships and co-ops.

1 of these does not deserve the remainder.

[∞∞∞]

Don't worry, we'll do something about it.

But people like Bluehen and Gannon won't like it because it'll create an equal playing field and make America a fairer nation. They've been milking other Americans for way too long.

Do what exactly? A guaranteed job with enough guaranteed money to buy the guaranteed house you want that's a walk down the street from that job so that you don't have to set the alarm and wake up early? And you get that job right out of college, which someone else pays for, and you get to keep that job, regardless of performance, for your working life, and then you can retire with full salary and full benefits until you die? And everyone who wants that gets that? How exactly does that happen?

You're not a minority (as far as I know), you're not a woman (as far as I know), and you're not an immigrant (again, as far as I know). When we talk about leveling the playing field it's mainly to get those previously discriminated classes (and I'm sure there are others, it's not an exhaustive list) to no longer be discriminated against. But even then, the right to a certain outcome is never going to be guaranteed. Even when we institute a national health system, which will happen in the next 10-30 years, it's still going to be like England's much vaunted NHS - everyone will be guaranteed the same basic health care, and then those with means (i.e. money) will go outside the system for better care when they need to.

You talk as if your generation is put down and discriminated against because you have to enter the workforce and, well, work. And it's not been super duper easy. Get over it. If you made a mistake and are buried in student debt because you picked a really expensive college then blame your parents for not steering you straight and picky the equally good college that was half the cost. I'm not opposed to some version of student debt relief, but it's going to be complicated and it's not going to happen overnight so start planning to deal with it. Can't find a job? Be prepared to compromise - be prepared to move, be prepared to commute, be prepared to take something a little outside of your field if need be.

Adapt. Improvise. Good words to live by.

You're really not getting it. Your generation's political policies, they way you've voted the last 30 years, the way you've bought properties and increased prices, the way you increased educational costs, the way you've outsourced jobs, the way you've paid people less as you grew into positions of power, the way you've given out less benefits, the way you've borrowed to secure financial security in your twilight years...it's added up. Millennials actually work a little more than Gen X (and way more than Boomers)...to make ends meat.

It's not China, Europe, Mexico or Canada fucking America over. It's Americans fucking over Americans.

Enjoy it while it lasts though. When you have tens of millions of people which have grievances, maybe you should look at why that is instead of simply labeling them lazy.

To the original question, Trump's legacy is this: exposing the toxicity of conservative polices.

[Ibanez]

Do what exactly? A guaranteed job with enough guaranteed money to buy the guaranteed house you want that's a walk down the street from that job so that you don't have to set the alarm and wake up early? And you get that job right out of college, which someone else pays for, and you get to keep that job, regardless of performance, for your working life, and then you can retire with full salary and full benefits until you die? And everyone who wants that gets that? How exactly does that happen?

You're not a minority (as far as I know), you're not a woman (as far as I know), and you're not an immigrant (again, as far as I know). When we talk about leveling the playing field it's mainly to get those previously discriminated classes (and I'm sure there are others, it's not an exhaustive list) to no longer be discriminated against. But even then, the right to a certain outcome is never going to be guaranteed. Even when we institute a national health system, which will happen in the next 10-30 years, it's still going to be like England's much vaunted NHS - everyone will be guaranteed the same basic health care, and then those with means (i.e. money) will go outside the system for better care when they need to.

You talk as if your generation is put down and discriminated against because you have to enter the workforce and, well, work. And it's not been super duper easy. Get over it. If you made a mistake and are buried in student debt because you picked a really expensive college then blame your parents for not steering you straight and picky the equally good college that was half the cost. I'm not opposed to some version of student debt relief, but it's going to be complicated and it's not going to happen overnight so start planning to deal with it. Can't find a job? Be prepared to compromise - be prepared to move, be prepared to commute, be prepared to take something a little outside of your field if need be.

Adapt. Improvise. Good words to live by.

You're really not getting it. Your generation's political policies, they way you've voted the last 30 years, the way you've bought properties and increased prices, the way you increased educational costs, the way you've outsourced jobs, the way you've paid people less as you grew into positions of power, the way you've given out less benefits, the way you've borrowed to secure financial security in your twilight years...it's added up. Millennials actually work a little more than Gen X (and way more than Boomers)...to make ends meat.

It's not China, Europe, Mexico or Canada fucking America over. It's Americans fucking over Americans.

Enjoy it while it lasts though. When you have tens of millions of people which have grievances, maybe you should look at why that is instead of simply labeling them lazy.

To the original question, Trump's legacy is this: exposing the toxicity of conservative polices.

Isn't Gannon a Gen Xer?

Trump's also exposed the toxicity of the left in how they treat people. How the disagree and engage in discourse.

[Pwns]

Yes, you can go to a college that has two compass directions in it's name where the average freshman SAT is south of 1000 and save some money. But you're still going to pay an amount that's not easily affordable for most families. You're not going to be able to study engineering like Trip did or a lot of STEM fields. Your alma mater might be looked down upon by grad school admissions. You might not have as many people with connections where you can get internships and co-ops.

1 of these does not deserve the remainder.

Exactly my point. The more selective colleges generally are going to be more expensive.

[93henfan]

Do what exactly? A guaranteed job with enough guaranteed money to buy the guaranteed house you want that's a walk down the street from that job so that you don't have to set the alarm and wake up early? And you get that job right out of college, which someone else pays for, and you get to keep that job, regardless of performance, for your working life, and then you can retire with full salary and full benefits until you die? And everyone who wants that gets that? How exactly does that happen?

You're not a minority (as far as I know), you're not a woman (as far as I know), and you're not an immigrant (again, as far as I know). When we talk about leveling the playing field it's mainly to get those previously discriminated classes (and I'm sure there are others, it's not an exhaustive list) to no longer be discriminated against. But even then, the right to a certain outcome is never going to be guaranteed. Even when we institute a national health system, which will happen in the next 10-30 years, it's still going to be like England's much vaunted NHS - everyone will be guaranteed the same basic health care, and then those with means (i.e. money) will go outside the system for better care when they need to.

You talk as if your generation is put down and discriminated against because you have to enter the workforce and, well, work. And it's not been super duper easy. Get over it. If you made a mistake and are buried in student debt because you picked a really expensive college then blame your parents for not steering you straight and picky the equally good college that was half the cost. I'm not opposed to some version of student debt relief, but it's going to be complicated and it's not going to happen overnight so start planning to deal with it. Can't find a job? Be prepared to compromise - be prepared to move, be prepared to commute, be prepared to take something a little outside of your field if need be.

Adapt. Improvise. Good words to live by.

You're really not getting it. Your generation's political policies, they way you've voted the last 30 years, the way you've bought properties and increased prices, the way you increased educational costs, the way you've outsourced jobs, the way you've paid people less as you grew into positions of power, the way you've given out less benefits, the way you've borrowed to secure financial security in your twilight years...it's added up. Millennials actually work a little more than Gen X (and way more than Boomers)...to make ends meat.

It's not China, Europe, Mexico or Canada fucking America over. It's Americans fucking over Americans.

Enjoy it while it lasts though. When you have tens of millions of people which have grievances, maybe you should look at why that is instead of simply labeling them lazy.

To the original question, Trump's legacy is this: exposing the toxicity of conservative polices.

This is so generalized it’s comical.

I guarandamntee you my parents (boomers) worked harder than you ever will.

[Ibanez]

You're really not getting it. Your generation's political policies, they way you've voted the last 30 years, the way you've bought properties and increased prices, the way you increased educational costs, the way you've outsourced jobs, the way you've paid people less as you grew into positions of power, the way you've given out less benefits, the way you've borrowed to secure financial security in your twilight years...it's added up. Millennials actually work a little more than Gen X (and way more than Boomers)...to make ends meat.

It's not China, Europe, Mexico or Canada fucking America over. It's Americans fucking over Americans.

Enjoy it while it lasts though. When you have tens of millions of people which have grievances, maybe you should look at why that is instead of simply labeling them lazy.

To the original question, Trump's legacy is this: exposing the toxicity of conservative polices.

This is so generalized it’s comical.

I guarandamntee you my parents (boomers) worked harder than you ever will.

My Boomer Dad is 68, suffering from cancer and chemo which leaves him nauseous, exhausted and 70lbs leaner than he was in December - Still manages to work about 3-4 days a week. And he doesn't sit behind a desk all day - he's either appraising real estate or selling commercial and industrial properties.