It couldn't be that YOU are a complete asshole could it..?93henfan wrote:His mother is from Bay area, CA. They're all confused liberals.Chizzang wrote:
I can't imagine how he got to that place in your house...
Nah, I have a pulse, which automatically separates me from Kasich. With that said, though, someone has to bring the Dems back from the brink they seem to be happy flirting with (trigger warning, I just used the word flirting. Crap, I just said flirting again. Crap, I just said crap. I'm sure the pitchforks are on the way!).Ivytalk wrote:You’re channeling your inner Kasich. God help us.GannonFan wrote:This is, to me at least, what I think the Democrats have done wrong in the past few years. There is way too much focus on the peace and justice/social identity politics, and even more so the anger aspect of those, rather than on the regular political positions of the day. I don't mean to say that Identity politics doesn't have a place in the pantheon of political discussion, because it most certainly does (women's equality, LGBT and so on civil rights, ethnic minority civil rights, etc).
But the Democrats have increasingly, for years now, gone to an all-out, "we're right and the other side is literally evil-incarnate" mantra, and demanded outrage as the mode of political discussion, that hasn't resulted in them being able to win elections outside of safe blue bunkers. It certainly was capsulated in Hillary's ill-advised "basket of deplorable" reflection but of course you've seen it time and time again in terms of campus violence against speakers, ANTIFA actions, and the various protests and marches probably ever since Occupy Wall Street. They're doing great at protesting, but not so great at elections. The GOP clearly has their flaws too (they are mainly white, they are evangelical to a fault, and they certainly cater to the financially elite), but the GOP isn't the one resulting to violence and oppression of thought to carry their message.
I like what JSO has pointed out - the Dems should have issues that they could and should win on. Frankly, nationalized health care should be something they could stand behind. Raising of the minimum wage. Immigration (making this complex topic something more understandable in terms of what we're actually doing). These are all better things and could stand them well come election time. However, they can't seem to stop themselves from being uncontrollably angry and outraged (the whole quote "if you're not outraged then you're not paying attention"). Neither party has to genuinely like the other party - it's still politics and people will always have different opinions. But we'll never get back to a politics where people can genuinely reach across the aisle on anything if we continue the scorched earth approach of anger that, if politics were a see-saw, is tilting to the left for too long now. Neither side is evil - we need to get past that idea if we're going to move ahead.
Don’t worry Chizzy, there’s only a could hundred of them in America, right?Chizzang wrote:Um... that is disturbing
also what exactly does that accomplish
other than serious division of American peoples going about their daily business
That's only a GOP problem?GannonFan wrote:This is, to me at least, what I think the Democrats have done wrong in the past few years. There is way too much focus on the peace and justice/social identity politics, and even more so the anger aspect of those, rather than on the regular political positions of the day. I don't mean to say that Identity politics doesn't have a place in the pantheon of political discussion, because it most certainly does (women's equality, LGBT and so on civil rights, ethnic minority civil rights, etc).
But the Democrats have increasingly, for years now, gone to an all-out, "we're right and the other side is literally evil-incarnate" mantra, and demanded outrage as the mode of political discussion, that hasn't resulted in them being able to win elections outside of safe blue bunkers. It certainly was capsulated in Hillary's ill-advised "basket of deplorable" reflection but of course you've seen it time and time again in terms of campus violence against speakers, ANTIFA actions, and the various protests and marches probably ever since Occupy Wall Street. They're doing great at protesting, but not so great at elections. The GOP clearly has their flaws too (they are mainly white, they are evangelical to a fault, and they certainly cater to the financially elite), but the GOP isn't the one resulting to violence and oppression of thought to carry their message.
I like what JSO has pointed out - the Dems should have issues that they could and should win on. Frankly, nationalized health care should be something they could stand behind. Raising of the minimum wage. Immigration (making this complex topic something more understandable in terms of what we're actually doing). These are all better things and could stand them well come election time. However, they can't seem to stop themselves from being uncontrollably angry and outraged (the whole quote "if you're not outraged then you're not paying attention"). Neither party has to genuinely like the other party - it's still politics and people will always have different opinions. But we'll never get back to a politics where people can genuinely reach across the aisle on anything if we continue the scorched earth approach of anger that, if politics were a see-saw, is tilting to the left for too long now. Neither side is evil - we need to get past that idea if we're going to move ahead.
sprechen sie deutsch..?AZGrizFan wrote:Don’t worry Chizzy, there’s only a could hundred of them in America, right?Chizzang wrote:Um... that is disturbing
also what exactly does that accomplish
other than serious division of American peoples going about their daily business
Why don’t you just say fvck and get it over with? I’m sure you used that word in your younger days.GannonFan wrote:Nah, I have a pulse, which automatically separates me from Kasich. With that said, though, someone has to bring the Dems back from the brink they seem to be happy flirting with (trigger warning, I just used the word flirting. Crap, I just said flirting again. Crap, I just said crap. I'm sure the pitchforks are on the way!).Ivytalk wrote: You’re channeling your inner Kasich. God help us.
I don't know if that's true. Like for instance I don't know if most people would say the two Supreme Court picks "benefit everyone." I personally do like strict constructionist judges. But many do not. Many probably do not see Trump getting those two guys on the Supreme Court as benefitting them.SDHornet wrote:
The donks problem is that as Trump keeps racking up the wins (he has a growing list of wins and the important ones benefit everyone),
Was mainly referring to the economy and the historic lows on unemployment across all demographics. Because it's the economy stupid.JohnStOnge wrote:I don't know if that's true. Like for instance I don't know if most people would say the two Supreme Court picks "benefit everyone." I personally do like strict constructionist judges. But many do not. Many probably do not see Trump getting those two guys on the Supreme Court as benefitting them.SDHornet wrote:
The donks problem is that as Trump keeps racking up the wins (he has a growing list of wins and the important ones benefit everyone),
Also, the tax cuts do not benefit everyone. Republicans argued that they benefit most. But no one has argued that they benefit everyone. They also are increasing the deficit. In the long run, that might not benefit everyone.
The regulations thing is another area of uncertainty. In general I think regulations needed to be cut back. But right now I don't know enough about the "regulatory reform" of the Trump administration to form an opinion on whether it is good or bad on balance. However, since I'm pretty sure Trump has no idea as to what he is doing I am not optimistic.
Translation: You were for each of these things before Trump actually did them. Now you’re “not optimistic.”JohnStOnge wrote:I don't know if that's true. Like for instance I don't know if most people would say the two Supreme Court picks "benefit everyone." I personally do like strict constructionist judges. But many do not. Many probably do not see Trump getting those two guys on the Supreme Court as benefitting them.SDHornet wrote:
The donks problem is that as Trump keeps racking up the wins (he has a growing list of wins and the important ones benefit everyone),
Also, the tax cuts do not benefit everyone. Republicans argued that they benefit most. But no one has argued that they benefit everyone. They also are increasing the deficit. In the long run, that might not benefit everyone.
The regulations thing is another area of uncertainty. In general I think regulations needed to be cut back. But right now I don't know enough about the "regulatory reform" of the Trump administration to form an opinion on whether it is good or bad on balance. However, since I'm pretty sure Trump has no idea as to what he is doing I am not optimistic.
Not sure, but with his encroaching mental illness I’d say there’s a blue and white tag with a wheelchair on it available for himIvytalk wrote:Translation: You were for each of these things before Trump actually did them. Now you’re “not optimistic.”JohnStOnge wrote:
I don't know if that's true. Like for instance I don't know if most people would say the two Supreme Court picks "benefit everyone." I personally do like strict constructionist judges. But many do not. Many probably do not see Trump getting those two guys on the Supreme Court as benefitting them.
Also, the tax cuts do not benefit everyone. Republicans argued that they benefit most. But no one has argued that they benefit everyone. They also are increasing the deficit. In the long run, that might not benefit everyone.
The regulations thing is another area of uncertainty. In general I think regulations needed to be cut back. But right now I don't know enough about the "regulatory reform" of the Trump administration to form an opinion on whether it is good or bad on balance. However, since I'm pretty sure Trump has no idea as to what he is doing I am not optimistic.
By the way, John, is the vanity tag “TDS” available in Louisiana?
JohnStKerryIvytalk wrote:Translation: You were for each of these things before Trump actually did them. Now you’re “not optimistic.”JohnStOnge wrote:
I don't know if that's true. Like for instance I don't know if most people would say the two Supreme Court picks "benefit everyone." I personally do like strict constructionist judges. But many do not. Many probably do not see Trump getting those two guys on the Supreme Court as benefitting them.
Also, the tax cuts do not benefit everyone. Republicans argued that they benefit most. But no one has argued that they benefit everyone. They also are increasing the deficit. In the long run, that might not benefit everyone.
The regulations thing is another area of uncertainty. In general I think regulations needed to be cut back. But right now I don't know enough about the "regulatory reform" of the Trump administration to form an opinion on whether it is good or bad on balance. However, since I'm pretty sure Trump has no idea as to what he is doing I am not optimistic.
By the way, John, is the vanity tag “TDS” available in Louisiana?
If you're going to argue the economy argue the stock market. Or argue the GDP as it looks like there's a pretty good chance that the annual GDP will exceed 3% for the first time since 2005. Now, if you look at quarterly GDP it looks like it's more a decrease in variation than anything else. But that's something.SDHornet wrote: Was mainly referring to the economy and the historic lows on unemployment across all demographics. Because it's the economy stupid.
Getting the Korean Peninsula to cool down after all the war mongering establishment politicos have done literally benefits everyone in a developed country on the Pacific rim.
The SCOTUS picks just ensure the Republic survives a little while longer until the leftists find/create a loophole to the courts. That benefits everyone regardless of political affiliation.
Regulations? LOL.
Trump's tariffs have already cost Ford $1B; now it's planning layoffs
You’re right, John. Even a moron could have continued the unemployment trend to a FORTY NINE YEAR LOW. Even a dipshit could have continued the black employment numbers TO ALL TIME HISTORIC HIGHS. Even a retard could have continued Obama’s trend of a generally increasing market to A RECORD HIGH STOCK MARKET. Even a monkey could have kept the trend going of RECORD ALL TIME HIGH BUSINESS CONFIDENCE. Even a corpse could have negotiated an end to the Korean War even though it hasn’t been ended in SIXTY FIVE YEARS (how many corpses have occurpied the White House since then?). Even a blind man could have grown GDP for a RECORD LENGTH EXPANSION, all while rates are climbing and the Fed is unwinding their balance sheet, something that’s NEVER BEEN TRIED.JohnStOnge wrote:If you're going to argue the economy argue the stock market. Or argue the GDP as it looks like there's a pretty good chance that the annual GDP will exceed 3% for the first time since 2005. Now, if you look at quarterly GDP it looks like it's more a decrease in variation than anything else. But that's something.SDHornet wrote: Was mainly referring to the economy and the historic lows on unemployment across all demographics. Because it's the economy stupid.
Getting the Korean Peninsula to cool down after all the war mongering establishment politicos have done literally benefits everyone in a developed country on the Pacific rim.
The SCOTUS picks just ensure the Republic survives a little while longer until the leftists find/create a loophole to the courts. That benefits everyone regardless of political affiliation.
Regulations? LOL.
But arguing unemployment is pretty bad because it's a trend thing and we still have that trend thing. This from the Bureau of Labor Statistics site:
Attributing the current low unemployment rate to Trump is just plain ridiculous.
Most of the credit for getting the Korean peninsula calmed down goes to the South Korean leader. Not Trump. The SCOTUS picks are a positive except that Kavanaugh is clearly a liar. The fact that he's a liar doesn't mean he's not going to stick to the Constitution. But he's a liar.
The biggest mistake the DNC made was allowing a few hundred PNW subversives to take control of the entire party instead of listeningChizzang wrote:Um... that is disturbing
also what exactly does that accomplish
other than serious division of American peoples going about their daily business
Yeah. Cory Booker. Listen to Spartacus.kalm wrote:The biggest mistake the DNC made was allowing a few hundred PNW subversives to take control of the entire party instead of listeningChizzang wrote:Um... that is disturbing
also what exactly does that accomplish
other than serious division of American peoples going about their daily business
to Google and Cory Booker.
At least if I’m reading this thread correctly.
Bullock is the one they should be listening to.kalm wrote:The biggest mistake the DNC made was allowing a few hundred PNW subversives to take control of the entire party instead of listeningChizzang wrote:Um... that is disturbing
also what exactly does that accomplish
other than serious division of American peoples going about their daily business
to Google and Cory Booker.
At least if I’m reading this thread correctly.
AZGrizFan wrote:You’re right, John. Even a moron could have continued the unemployment trend to a FORTY NINE YEAR LOW. Even a dipshit could have continued the black employment numbers TO ALL TIME HISTORIC HIGHS. Even a retard could have continued Obama’s trend of a generally increasing market to A RECORD HIGH STOCK MARKET. Even a monkey could have kept the trend going of RECORD ALL TIME HIGH BUSINESS CONFIDENCE. Even a corpse could have negotiated an end to the Korean War even though it hasn’t been ended in SIXTY FIVE YEARS (how many corpses have occurpied the White House since then?). Even a blind man could have grown GDP for a RECORD LENGTH EXPANSION, all while rates are climbing and the Fed is unwinding their balance sheet, something that’s NEVER BEEN TRIED.JohnStOnge wrote:
If you're going to argue the economy argue the stock market. Or argue the GDP as it looks like there's a pretty good chance that the annual GDP will exceed 3% for the first time since 2005. Now, if you look at quarterly GDP it looks like it's more a decrease in variation than anything else. But that's something.
But arguing unemployment is pretty bad because it's a trend thing and we still have that trend thing. This from the Bureau of Labor Statistics site:
Attributing the current low unemployment rate to Trump is just plain ridiculous.
Most of the credit for getting the Korean peninsula calmed down goes to the South Korean leader. Not Trump. The SCOTUS picks are a positive except that Kavanaugh is clearly a liar. The fact that he's a liar doesn't mean he's not going to stick to the Constitution. But he's a liar.
“Continuing trends” is one thing. Continuing them beyond and well outside their normal bands (in the POSITIVE DIRECTION) is quite another. Mother of fucking god, if ANY other conservative president had been doing this you’d be blowing him in the Oval Office and giving him credit for parting the Red Sea...the mere fact that its Trump has you so blinded he wouldn’t get credit from you if he DID part the Red Sea.
I didn’t even vote for the guy and yet I’m amazed at what his administration has accomplished (from an economic perspective). Add in USMCA, deregulation, the wall (yes I know, not done yet), the pipeline, Isreal/Jerusalem, Nikki Haley & the UN, exposing the democratic left for a bunch of whining, screaming, violent lunatics, tax reform...and the list goes on and on....here’s the difference: Obama had a supermajority for 2 years and got ONE thing done—Obamacare. Trump has had a majority in both houses for 18 months and has successfully completed a laundry list of campaign promises.
Keep thinking only 23% are “proud” he’s their president. This motherfucker is getting reelected whether you like it or not—maybe because he’s actually doing a good job, maybe because the left is a bunch of nutjobs led by a bunch of crazy, vindictive bitches....either way, it’ll be 2024 before y’all have a chance to stop complaining. Maybe then Bernie Sanders can get elected and you’ll be happy.
This is an Academy Award -winning political post right here!AZGrizFan wrote:You’re right, John. Even a moron could have continued the unemployment trend to a FORTY NINE YEAR LOW. Even a dipshit could have continued the black employment numbers TO ALL TIME HISTORIC HIGHS. Even a retard could have continued Obama’s trend of a generally increasing market to A RECORD HIGH STOCK MARKET. Even a monkey could have kept the trend going of RECORD ALL TIME HIGH BUSINESS CONFIDENCE. Even a corpse could have negotiated an end to the Korean War even though it hasn’t been ended in SIXTY FIVE YEARS (how many corpses have occurpied the White House since then?). Even a blind man could have grown GDP for a RECORD LENGTH EXPANSION, all while rates are climbing and the Fed is unwinding their balance sheet, something that’s NEVER BEEN TRIED.JohnStOnge wrote:
If you're going to argue the economy argue the stock market. Or argue the GDP as it looks like there's a pretty good chance that the annual GDP will exceed 3% for the first time since 2005. Now, if you look at quarterly GDP it looks like it's more a decrease in variation than anything else. But that's something.
But arguing unemployment is pretty bad because it's a trend thing and we still have that trend thing. This from the Bureau of Labor Statistics site:
Attributing the current low unemployment rate to Trump is just plain ridiculous.
Most of the credit for getting the Korean peninsula calmed down goes to the South Korean leader. Not Trump. The SCOTUS picks are a positive except that Kavanaugh is clearly a liar. The fact that he's a liar doesn't mean he's not going to stick to the Constitution. But he's a liar.
“Continuing trends” is one thing. Continuing them beyond and well outside their normal bands (in the POSITIVE DIRECTION) is quite another. Mother of **** god, if ANY other conservative president had been doing this you’d be blowing him in the Oval Office and giving him credit for parting the Red Sea...the mere fact that its Trump has you so blinded he wouldn’t get credit from you if he DID part the Red Sea.
I didn’t even vote for the guy and yet I’m amazed at what his administration has accomplished (from an economic perspective). Add in USMCA, deregulation, the wall (yes I know, not done yet), the pipeline, Isreal/Jerusalem, Nikki Haley & the UN, exposing the democratic left for a bunch of whining, screaming, violent lunatics, tax reform...and the list goes on and on....here’s the difference: Obama had a supermajority for 2 years and got ONE thing done—Obamacare. Trump has had a majority in both houses for 18 months and has successfully completed a laundry list of campaign promises.
Keep thinking only 23% are “proud” he’s their president. This motherfucker is getting reelected whether you like it or not—maybe because he’s actually doing a good job, maybe because the left is a bunch of nutjobs led by a bunch of crazy, vindictive bitches....either way, it’ll be 2024 before y’all have a chance to stop complaining. Maybe then Bernie Sanders can get elected and you’ll be happy.
May I have the envelope please?This is an Academy Award -winning political post right here!AZGrizFan wrote:You’re right, John. Even a moron could have continued the unemployment trend to a FORTY NINE YEAR LOW. Even a dipshit could have continued the black employment numbers TO ALL TIME HISTORIC HIGHS. Even a retard could have continued Obama’s trend of a generally increasing market to A RECORD HIGH STOCK MARKET. Even a monkey could have kept the trend going of RECORD ALL TIME HIGH BUSINESS CONFIDENCE. Even a corpse could have negotiated an end to the Korean War even though it hasn’t been ended in SIXTY FIVE YEARS (how many corpses have occurpied the White House since then?). Even a blind man could have grown GDP for a RECORD LENGTH EXPANSION, all while rates are climbing and the Fed is unwinding their balance sheet, something that’s NEVER BEEN TRIED.JohnStOnge wrote:
If you're going to argue the economy argue the stock market. Or argue the GDP as it looks like there's a pretty good chance that the annual GDP will exceed 3% for the first time since 2005. Now, if you look at quarterly GDP it looks like it's more a decrease in variation than anything else. But that's something.
But arguing unemployment is pretty bad because it's a trend thing and we still have that trend thing. This from the Bureau of Labor Statistics site:
Attributing the current low unemployment rate to Trump is just plain ridiculous.
Most of the credit for getting the Korean peninsula calmed down goes to the South Korean leader. Not Trump. The SCOTUS picks are a positive except that Kavanaugh is clearly a liar. The fact that he's a liar doesn't mean he's not going to stick to the Constitution. But he's a liar.
“Continuing trends” is one thing. Continuing them beyond and well outside their normal bands (in the POSITIVE DIRECTION) is quite another. Mother of **** god, if ANY other conservative president had been doing this you’d be blowing him in the Oval Office and giving him credit for parting the Red Sea...the mere fact that its Trump has you so blinded he wouldn’t get credit from you if he DID part the Red Sea.
I didn’t even vote for the guy and yet I’m amazed at what his administration has accomplished (from an economic perspective). Add in USMCA, deregulation, the wall (yes I know, not done yet), the pipeline, Isreal/Jerusalem, Nikki Haley & the UN, exposing the democratic left for a bunch of whining, screaming, violent lunatics, tax reform...and the list goes on and on....here’s the difference: Obama had a supermajority for 2 years and got ONE thing done—Obamacare. Trump has had a majority in both houses for 18 months and has successfully completed a laundry list of campaign promises.
Keep thinking only 23% are “proud” he’s their president. This motherfucker is getting reelected whether you like it or not—maybe because he’s actually doing a good job, maybe because the left is a bunch of nutjobs led by a bunch of crazy, vindictive bitches....either way, it’ll be 2024 before y’all have a chance to stop complaining. Maybe then Bernie Sanders can get elected and you’ll be happy.
May I have the envelope please?Kalm down, IT. Yes it's a nice rant but has some holes, along with more than a few unfinished items...e.g.: deregulation guarantees positive outcomes.Ivytalk wrote:This is an Academy Award -winning political post right here!AZGrizFan wrote:
You’re right, John. Even a moron could have continued the unemployment trend to a FORTY NINE YEAR LOW. Even a dipshit could have continued the black employment numbers TO ALL TIME HISTORIC HIGHS. Even a retard could have continued Obama’s trend of a generally increasing market to A RECORD HIGH STOCK MARKET. Even a monkey could have kept the trend going of RECORD ALL TIME HIGH BUSINESS CONFIDENCE. Even a corpse could have negotiated an end to the Korean War even though it hasn’t been ended in SIXTY FIVE YEARS (how many corpses have occurpied the White House since then?). Even a blind man could have grown GDP for a RECORD LENGTH EXPANSION, all while rates are climbing and the Fed is unwinding their balance sheet, something that’s NEVER BEEN TRIED.
“Continuing trends” is one thing. Continuing them beyond and well outside their normal bands (in the POSITIVE DIRECTION) is quite another. Mother of **** god, if ANY other conservative president had been doing this you’d be blowing him in the Oval Office and giving him credit for parting the Red Sea...the mere fact that its Trump has you so blinded he wouldn’t get credit from you if he DID part the Red Sea.
I didn’t even vote for the guy and yet I’m amazed at what his administration has accomplished (from an economic perspective). Add in USMCA, deregulation, the wall (yes I know, not done yet), the pipeline, Isreal/Jerusalem, Nikki Haley & the UN, exposing the democratic left for a bunch of whining, screaming, violent lunatics, tax reform...and the list goes on and on....here’s the difference: Obama had a supermajority for 2 years and got ONE thing done—Obamacare. Trump has had a majority in both houses for 18 months and has successfully completed a laundry list of campaign promises.
Keep thinking only 23% are “proud” he’s their president. This motherfucker is getting reelected whether you like it or not—maybe because he’s actually doing a good job, maybe because the left is a bunch of nutjobs led by a bunch of crazy, vindictive bitches....either way, it’ll be 2024 before y’all have a chance to stop complaining. Maybe then Bernie Sanders can get elected and you’ll be happy.
Ivytalk wrote:This is an Academy Award -winning political post right here!AZGrizFan wrote:
You’re right, John. Even a moron could have continued the unemployment trend to a FORTY NINE YEAR LOW. Even a dipshit could have continued the black employment numbers TO ALL TIME HISTORIC HIGHS. Even a retard could have continued Obama’s trend of a generally increasing market to A RECORD HIGH STOCK MARKET. Even a monkey could have kept the trend going of RECORD ALL TIME HIGH BUSINESS CONFIDENCE. Even a corpse could have negotiated an end to the Korean War even though it hasn’t been ended in SIXTY FIVE YEARS (how many corpses have occurpied the White House since then?). Even a blind man could have grown GDP for a RECORD LENGTH EXPANSION, all while rates are climbing and the Fed is unwinding their balance sheet, something that’s NEVER BEEN TRIED.
“Continuing trends” is one thing. Continuing them beyond and well outside their normal bands (in the POSITIVE DIRECTION) is quite another. Mother of **** god, if ANY other conservative president had been doing this you’d be blowing him in the Oval Office and giving him credit for parting the Red Sea...the mere fact that its Trump has you so blinded he wouldn’t get credit from you if he DID part the Red Sea.
I didn’t even vote for the guy and yet I’m amazed at what his administration has accomplished (from an economic perspective). Add in USMCA, deregulation, the wall (yes I know, not done yet), the pipeline, Isreal/Jerusalem, Nikki Haley & the UN, exposing the democratic left for a bunch of whining, screaming, violent lunatics, tax reform...and the list goes on and on....here’s the difference: Obama had a supermajority for 2 years and got ONE thing done—Obamacare. Trump has had a majority in both houses for 18 months and has successfully completed a laundry list of campaign promises.
Keep thinking only 23% are “proud” he’s their president. This motherfucker is getting reelected whether you like it or not—maybe because he’s actually doing a good job, maybe because the left is a bunch of nutjobs led by a bunch of crazy, vindictive bitches....either way, it’ll be 2024 before y’all have a chance to stop complaining. Maybe then Bernie Sanders can get elected and you’ll be happy.
I was never in favor of lying about the impact of tax cuts. If you argue for tax cuts, you also need to argue for cutting spending in order to compensate for the likely loss in revenue growth.Ivytalk wrote:Translation: You were for each of these things before Trump actually did them. Now you’re “not optimistic.”JohnStOnge wrote:
I don't know if that's true. Like for instance I don't know if most people would say the two Supreme Court picks "benefit everyone." I personally do like strict constructionist judges. But many do not. Many probably do not see Trump getting those two guys on the Supreme Court as benefitting them.
Also, the tax cuts do not benefit everyone. Republicans argued that they benefit most. But no one has argued that they benefit everyone. They also are increasing the deficit. In the long run, that might not benefit everyone.
The regulations thing is another area of uncertainty. In general I think regulations needed to be cut back. But right now I don't know enough about the "regulatory reform" of the Trump administration to form an opinion on whether it is good or bad on balance. However, since I'm pretty sure Trump has no idea as to what he is doing I am not optimistic.
When you have a trend line like that it is ridiculous to attribute continuation of the trend to someone who took over right at the end of it. Doesn't matter if the trend continues to a long term low or not.Ivytalk wrote:This is an Academy Award -winning political post right here!AZGrizFan wrote:
You’re right, John. Even a moron could have continued the unemployment trend to a FORTY NINE YEAR LOW. Even a dipshit could have continued the black employment numbers TO ALL TIME HISTORIC HIGHS. Even a retard could have continued Obama’s trend of a generally increasing market to A RECORD HIGH STOCK MARKET. Even a monkey could have kept the trend going of RECORD ALL TIME HIGH BUSINESS CONFIDENCE. Even a corpse could have negotiated an end to the Korean War even though it hasn’t been ended in SIXTY FIVE YEARS (how many corpses have occurpied the White House since then?). Even a blind man could have grown GDP for a RECORD LENGTH EXPANSION, all while rates are climbing and the Fed is unwinding their balance sheet, something that’s NEVER BEEN TRIED.
“Continuing trends” is one thing. Continuing them beyond and well outside their normal bands (in the POSITIVE DIRECTION) is quite another. Mother of **** god, if ANY other conservative president had been doing this you’d be blowing him in the Oval Office and giving him credit for parting the Red Sea...the mere fact that its Trump has you so blinded he wouldn’t get credit from you if he DID part the Red Sea.
I didn’t even vote for the guy and yet I’m amazed at what his administration has accomplished (from an economic perspective). Add in USMCA, deregulation, the wall (yes I know, not done yet), the pipeline, Isreal/Jerusalem, Nikki Haley & the UN, exposing the democratic left for a bunch of whining, screaming, violent lunatics, tax reform...and the list goes on and on....here’s the difference: Obama had a supermajority for 2 years and got ONE thing done—Obamacare. Trump has had a majority in both houses for 18 months and has successfully completed a laundry list of campaign promises.
Keep thinking only 23% are “proud” he’s their president. This motherfucker is getting reelected whether you like it or not—maybe because he’s actually doing a good job, maybe because the left is a bunch of nutjobs led by a bunch of crazy, vindictive bitches....either way, it’ll be 2024 before y’all have a chance to stop complaining. Maybe then Bernie Sanders can get elected and you’ll be happy.