Fauxahontas DNA Results

[SeattleGriz]

Pocahontas as a relative! Awesome.

[CID1990]

Also why I like this ....

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... n-identity


White politician plays identity politics... gets eaten by the people she's trying to identify with

(also rebuked by the Cherokee Nation)


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[JohnStOnge]

Meanwhile we've got somebody in the White House who would do something like that Trump University scam and people are worried about Elizabeth Warren telling people her great, great, great grandmother was a Native American.

[JohnStOnge]

Also why I like this ....

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... n-identity


White politician plays identity politics... gets eaten by the people she's trying to identify with

(also rebuked by the Cherokee Nation)


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“Tribal governments establish regulations that do not use genetic ancestry tests, but other forms of biological and political relationships to define our citizenries,” TallBear said.

I don't think Warren was trying to define a citizenry. I think she was just trying to show that she was telling the truth when she said her great, great, great grandmother was "Native American."

And if the tribal governments don't use genetic ancestry tests they are not using the full range of available information at their disposal. That's not a positive.

[JoltinJoe]

Let's not forget that Warren claimed, while teaching law at Harvard and Penn, to be a minority based on Native American ancestry. That's how this all started. Her minute Native American ancestry hardly gave her the right to make that claim.

i don't think people will see this as validating her claim.

I think what you're talking about is, unfortunately, more a result of the conservative misinformation effort than it is a result of Warren doing anything improper. I think that the FactCheck.org article at https://www.factcheck.org/2017/12/eliza ... ntroversy/ provides a fair assessment.

I am a conservative. Anybody who has known me for years that I have been on message boards knows or should know that. But we are at a time in history right now where the conservative movement has gone off the rails. There is a lot of lying. There is a lot of being in denial.

If you are a conservative you SHOULD be upset by that. You should not accept the "side" you're on discarding principle and being dishonest.

Your link doesn't disprove what I said. I didn't say she applied for those jobs by claiming to be Native American, or received the jobs because she claimed to be Native American. I said that, while on the faculties of Penn and Harvard, she identified herself as a Native American. I worded it very carefully so as to be accurate.

What I am referring to is the fact that Warren had listed herself as a Native American minority in the Association of American Law Schools directory of American law professors. I know that to be true. And Harvard reported her as a minority faculty member during her time there.

[SeattleGriz]

Also why I like this ....

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... n-identity


White politician plays identity politics... gets eaten by the people she's trying to identify with

(also rebuked by the Cherokee Nation)


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“Tribal governments establish regulations that do not use genetic ancestry tests, but other forms of biological and political relationships to define our citizenries,” TallBear said.

I don't think Warren was trying to define a citizenry. I think she was just trying to show that she was telling the truth when she said her great, great, great grandmother was "Native American."

And if the tribal governments don't use genetic ancestry tests they are not using the full range of available information at their disposal. That's not a positive.

The problem is that her results do not say that

[Chizzang]

Meanwhile we've got somebody in the White House who would do something like that Trump University scam and people are worried about Elizabeth Warren telling people her great, great, great grandmother was a Native American.

John,
He's only the President of the United States of America



He can grab 18 year old pageant contestant girls by the pussy
and whore monger around with prostitutes
Defraud thousands and thousand of Americans out of real money at a Fake University
Incite violence at his weekly hate rallies

This is all perfectly acceptable...

But
Did you hear about poor Ted Cruz... he had people say mean things to him

[JohnStOnge]

Meanwhile we've got somebody in the White House who would do something like that Trump University scam and people are worried about Elizabeth Warren telling people her great, great, great grandmother was a Native American.

John,
He's only the President of the United States of America



He can grab 18 year old pageant contestant girls by the pussy
and whore monger around with prostitutes
Defraud thousands and thousand of Americans out of real money at a Fake University
Incite violence at his weekly hate rallies

This is all perfectly acceptable... :

Along with avoiding holding Saudi Arabia accountable because he's got personal financial interests there.

[kalm]

John,
He's only the President of the United States of America



He can grab 18 year old pageant contestant girls by the pussy
and whore monger around with prostitutes
Defraud thousands and thousand of Americans out of real money at a Fake University
Incite violence at his weekly hate rallies

This is all perfectly acceptable... :

Along with avoiding holding Saudi Arabia accountable because he's got personal financial interests there.

No shit...and not a thread on that which is WAY more important. Saudi’s spend billions with both parties, saw up a WaPo journalist (literally) for saying bad things about the monarchy but everyone is suddenly a fucking expert on aboriginal genealogy.

Chizzy, kalm, and JSO...suddenly the non-hysterical and rational triumvirate of cs.com.

[LeadBolt]

She's anywhere between 1/32 - 1/512th Native American...

The inherent imprecision of the six-page DNA analysis could provide fodder for Warren’s critics. If her great-great-great-grandmother was Native American, that puts her at 1/32nd American Indian. But the report includes the possibility that she’s just 1/512th Native American if the ancestor is 10 generations back.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politi ... story.html

Two to the sixth power is 64, not 32 and two to the 10th power is 1024, not 512. What am I missing here?
Freaking main line media is exaggerating yet again. I’m not sure if they’re incompetent or if they think this exaggeration will help little Pocahontas.

Warren has less Indian blood than Hitler had Jewish heritage.

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[SeattleGriz]

She's anywhere between 1/32 - 1/512th Native American...






https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politi ... story.html

Two to the sixth power is 64, not 32 and two to the 10th power is 1024, not 512. What am I missing here?


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The paper made a correction to your math after this article.

[UNI88]

Along with avoiding holding Saudi Arabia accountable because he's got personal financial interests there.

No ****...and not a thread on that which is WAY more important. Saudi’s spend billions with both parties, saw up a WaPo journalist (literally) for saying bad things about the monarchy but everyone is suddenly a **** expert on aboriginal genealogy.

Chizzy, kalm, and JSO...suddenly the non-hysterical and rational triumvirate of cs.com.

My opinions pretty much aligned with CID's.

TBH, I crack on her for playing up native heritage- but on the dishonesty scale for journos and politicians this is pretty much just a little white lie

If you hail from my part of NC or Oklahoma you are almost guaranteed to have a bit of Cherokee in you. Oklahoman Cherokees actually get some kind of stipend (I briefly courted a Cherokee girl from OK years ago)

But literally every white person from my neck of the woods in NC either claims a little blood, or assumes it - the ones who claim it vocally and often are usually seen as a bit nutty or fabulist - which is why I think Warren is funny but harmless, at least in this context - she's either nutty, fabulist, or using this to raise her multicultural/intersectional creds

Which, when you think of it, pretty much describes every politician ever born

I still think there's a lot of funny mileage to be gotten out of this though -

for example, Trump should donate 1000 bucks to charity (1/1000th of what he pledged)

or the suggestion that at 1/1000th, Pocahontas might be her actual ancestor.

I find it humorous how quickly people rationalize their sides' poor behavior while demonizing the others' when we should be criticizing all of it. Calling JSO rational is - he gives Trump absolutely no credit for anything and downplays the misbehavior of any Trump opponent.

[AZGrizFan]

Meanwhile we've got somebody in the White House who would do something like that Trump University scam and people are worried about Elizabeth Warren telling people her great, great, great grandmother was a Native American.

She claimed her mother was a Cherokee Indian. Fucking liar, plain and simple.

[AZGrizFan]

Meanwhile we've got somebody in the White House who would do something like that Trump University scam and people are worried about Elizabeth Warren telling people her great, great, great grandmother was a Native American.

John,
He's only the President of the United States of America



He can grab 18 year old pageant contestant girls by the pussy
and whore monger around with prostitutes
Defraud thousands and thousand of Americans out of real money at a Fake University
Incite violence at his weekly hate rallies

This is all perfectly acceptable...

But
Did you hear about poor Ted Cruz... he had people say mean things to him

95% of universities are frauds.

[kalm]

No ****...and not a thread on that which is WAY more important. Saudi’s spend billions with both parties, saw up a WaPo journalist (literally) for saying bad things about the monarchy but everyone is suddenly a **** expert on aboriginal genealogy.

Chizzy, kalm, and JSO...suddenly the non-hysterical and rational triumvirate of cs.com.

My opinions pretty much aligned with CID's.

TBH, I crack on her for playing up native heritage- but on the dishonesty scale for journos and politicians this is pretty much just a little white lie

If you hail from my part of NC or Oklahoma you are almost guaranteed to have a bit of Cherokee in you. Oklahoman Cherokees actually get some kind of stipend (I briefly courted a Cherokee girl from OK years ago)

But literally every white person from my neck of the woods in NC either claims a little blood, or assumes it - the ones who claim it vocally and often are usually seen as a bit nutty or fabulist - which is why I think Warren is funny but harmless, at least in this context - she's either nutty, fabulist, or using this to raise her multicultural/intersectional creds

Which, when you think of it, pretty much describes every politician ever born

I still think there's a lot of funny mileage to be gotten out of this though -

for example, Trump should donate 1000 bucks to charity (1/1000th of what he pledged)

or the suggestion that at 1/1000th, Pocahontas might be her actual ancestor.

I find it humorous how quickly people rationalize their sides' poor behavior while demonizing the others' when we should be criticizing all of it. Calling JSO rational is - he gives Trump absolutely no credit for anything and downplays the misbehavior of any Trump opponent.

I don't have a side and JSO's take on this is reasonable so maybe you do?

[UNI88]

My opinions pretty much aligned with CID's.



I find it humorous how quickly people rationalize their sides' poor behavior while demonizing the others' when we should be criticizing all of it. Calling JSO rational is - he gives Trump absolutely no credit for anything and downplays the misbehavior of any Trump opponent.

I don't have a side and JSO's take on this is reasonable so maybe you do?

JSO is right that Trump's a buffoon but he's wrong that Trump has accomplished nothing because he has done some good and/or interesting things for which he deserves credit. JSO is also wrong when he whitewashes over the faults of Trump's opponents. So he's batting .333 which is good in baseball but bad on the rational/unbiased scale.

[kalm]

I don't have a side and JSO's take on this is reasonable so maybe you do?

JSO is right that Trump's a buffoon but he's wrong that Trump has accomplished nothing because he has done some good and/or interesting things for which he deserves credit. JSO is also wrong when he whitewashes over the faults of Trump's opponents. So he's batting .333 which is good in baseball but bad on the rational/unbiased scale.

I was only referring to this subject.

[Chizzang]

I don't have a side and JSO's take on this is reasonable so maybe you do?

JSO is right that Trump's a buffoon but he's wrong that Trump has accomplished nothing because he has done some good and/or interesting things for which he deserves credit. JSO is also wrong when he whitewashes over the faults of Trump's opponents. So he's batting .333 which is good in baseball but bad on the rational/unbiased scale.

However it's an understandable bias...
JSO lives with a family of fundamentalist Christians
and any Christian should be horrified by Trump as he is a verified con man and a fraud
as well a sexual predator who fondles girls and dishonors marriage
all while lying daily about all variety of things

JSO has watched the Christian Right completely surrendered a very real moral high ground
and bulldoze it into a smoldering pile in trade for momentary positions of stature



Any legitimate Christian with an actual sense of what their faith is
should be watching mouth agape in horror

[CID1990]

JSO is right that Trump's a buffoon but he's wrong that Trump has accomplished nothing because he has done some good and/or interesting things for which he deserves credit. JSO is also wrong when he whitewashes over the faults of Trump's opponents. So he's batting .333 which is good in baseball but bad on the rational/unbiased scale.

However it's an understandable bias...
JSO lives with a family of fundamentalist Christians
and any Christian should be horrified by Trump as he is a verified con man and a fraud
as well a sexual predator who fondles girls and dishonors marriage
all while lying daily about all variety of things

JSO has watched the Christian Right completely surrendered a very real moral high ground
and bulldoze it into a smoldering pile in trade for momentary positions of stature



Any legitimate Christian with an actual sense of what their faith is
should be watching mouth agape in horror

The character Hannibal Lecter reveled in loss of faith. In the books, it was mentioned that he collected historical images and accounts of cathedral collapses.

I actually kind of like watching the fundie right twist and turn, and in a few years they'll twist and squirm when they want to hold someone morally accountable

But that said, I don't know why you or anybody else can on an almost weekly basis come on here and declare the ultimate irrationality that is Christianity (or any other organized religion) and then seem so dumbfounded when they behave irrationally -

or in other words, when they pick and choose what parts of their invented theology to pay attention to

[CID1990]

Meanwhile we've got somebody in the White House who would do something like that Trump University scam and people are worried about Elizabeth Warren telling people her great, great, great grandmother was a Native American.

John,
He's only the President of the United States of America



He can grab 18 year old pageant contestant girls by the pussy
and whore monger around with prostitutes
Defraud thousands and thousand of Americans out of real money at a Fake University
Incite violence at his weekly hate rallies

This is all perfectly acceptable...

But
Did you hear about poor Ted Boobs... he had people say mean things to him

Somebody call Clitz and tell him Jon got his password

[Chizzang]

However it's an understandable bias...
JSO lives with a family of fundamentalist Christians
and any Christian should be horrified by Trump as he is a verified con man and a fraud
as well a sexual predator who fondles girls and dishonors marriage
all while lying daily about all variety of things

JSO has watched the Christian Right completely surrendered a very real moral high ground
and bulldoze it into a smoldering pile in trade for momentary positions of stature



Any legitimate Christian with an actual sense of what their faith is
should be watching mouth agape in horror

The character Hannibal Lecter reveled in loss of faith. In the books, it was mentioned that he collected historical images and accounts of cathedral collapses.

I actually kind of like watching the fundie right twist and turn, and in a few years they'll twist and squirm when they want to hold someone morally accountable

But that said, I don't know why you or anybody else can on an almost weekly basis come on here and declare the ultimate irrationality that is Christianity (or any other organized religion) and then seem so dumbfounded when they behave irrationally -

or in other words, when they pick and choose what parts of their invented theology to pay attention to

It's actually fascinating
For every John twisting in agony observing this hypocrisy
there's 10,000 Christians screaming in pure joy like they're at a monster truck rally

My confusion isn't the irrationality of American Christians (I'm used to that)
It's that the core of any religion is morality - The defining of "right and wrong" behavior
Without it religion is quite literally nothing

So to watch American Christians admit morality is meaningless
and power is everything and the end justifies the means...
It's exactly the opposite of what Jesus preached

[CID1990]

The character Hannibal Lecter reveled in loss of faith. In the books, it was mentioned that he collected historical images and accounts of cathedral collapses.

I actually kind of like watching the fundie right twist and turn, and in a few years they'll twist and squirm when they want to hold someone morally accountable

But that said, I don't know why you or anybody else can on an almost weekly basis come on here and declare the ultimate irrationality that is Christianity (or any other organized religion) and then seem so dumbfounded when they behave irrationally -

or in other words, when they pick and choose what parts of their invented theology to pay attention to

It's actually fascinating
For every John twisting in agony observing this hypocrisy
there's 10,000 Christians screaming in pure joy like they're at a monster truck rally

My confusion isn't the irrationality of American Christians (I'm used to that)
It's that the core of any religion is morality - The defining of "right and wrong" behavior
Without it religion is quite literally nothing

So to watch American Christians admit morality is meaningless
and power is everything and the end justifies the means...
It's exactly the opposite of what Jesus preached

Well I think we've had this discussion before - if there is any religion that laid the groundwork for supporting a cretin it is Christianity - the Bible is literally full of hookers, pimps, loan sharks, murderers and thieves who ultimately became instruments of Gawd... the flawed warrior for Jeezus is literally Christianity 101

If you actually believe in a fixed set of rules, then yes it is hypocritical as hell

But on the other hand I find it uniquely Christian

Just watch - some Baptist megachurch in Louisiana is going to baptize Trump in a teary ceremony sometime around 2025

[Ibanez]

She's anywhere between 1/32 - 1/512th Native American...






https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politi ... story.html

Two to the sixth power is 64, not 32 and two to the 10th power is 1024, not 512. What am I missing here?
Freaking main line media is exaggerating yet again. I’m not sure if they’re incompetent or if they think this exaggeration will help little Pocahontas.

Warren has less Indian blood than Hitler had Jewish heritage.

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The article was updated with the correct amounts after I posted it. Even reporters make innocent mistakes.


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[Ibanez]

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[LeadBolt]

I wonder if the same folks who believe that the Supreme Court is undermined by Kavanaugh stretching the truth on teenage drinking feel the same way about the Senate when Warren stretched the truth about her ancestors. I say impeach them both or neither. A package deal.


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