Fauxahontas DNA Results

[Ivytalk]

But BTW this 1/1024th thing is an example. A person who does that is either ignorant or dishonest. There is no way an informed, honest person would do that.

It’s humor, John...a trait that you don’t even have 1/1024 of.

[JohnStOnge]

But BTW this 1/1024th thing is an example. A person who does that is either ignorant or dishonest. There is no way an informed, honest person would do that.

It’s humor, John...a trait that you don’t even have 1/1024 of.

No it's not. I've seen manifestations of it. There are people all over the place that think the DNA tests showed that the woman is 1/1024th Native American. My Sister in Law is one of them. I even saw an anti Trump Republican woman who regularly appears on MSNBC lamenting Warren doing anything when she is only 1/1024th. We live in a time when the conservative movement is really bad about sowing misinformation and this is an example of it. The truth of the matter is that the results are consistent with what Warren has claimed about her ancestry. Conservative propagandists have been spinning it in manner to make her claim the subject of ridicule. It's dishonest. It's not just humor.

There was a time when I thought the left was more dishonest than the right. What's happened over the past two or three years has forced me to come to grips with the fact that the right is probably more dishonest than the left at this time in history.

[SeattleGriz]

It’s humor, John...a trait that you don’t even have 1/1024 of.

No it's not. I've seen manifestations of it. There are people all over the place that think the DNA tests showed that the woman is 1/1024th Native American. My Sister in Law is one of them. I even saw an anti Trump Republican woman who regularly appears on MSNBC lamenting Warren doing anything when she is only 1/1024th. We live in a time when the conservative movement is really bad about sowing misinformation and this is an example of it. The truth of the matter is that the results are consistent with what Warren has claimed about her ancestry. Conservative propagandists have been spinning it in manner to make her claim the subject of ridicule. It's dishonest. It's not just humor.

There was a time when I thought the left was more dishonest than the right. What's happened over the past two or three years has forced me to come to grips with the fact that the right is probably more dishonest than the left at this time in history.

Her whole history has been scrutinized and it has fallen apart upon that inspection. The whole eloping bullshit and Native ancestry.

Dude. I grew up in Montana and it was not okay to say you were Indian without proof. She is a tenured professor at Harvard. She needs to be held to a higher standard than the shit she has pulled.

Especially considering all of her running at the mouth being for the little guy. She had NO connection or efforts to help any Natives in her entire past.

[JohnStOnge]

No it's not. I've seen manifestations of it. There are people all over the place that think the DNA tests showed that the woman is 1/1024th Native American. My Sister in Law is one of them. I even saw an anti Trump Republican woman who regularly appears on MSNBC lamenting Warren doing anything when she is only 1/1024th. We live in a time when the conservative movement is really bad about sowing misinformation and this is an example of it. The truth of the matter is that the results are consistent with what Warren has claimed about her ancestry. Conservative propagandists have been spinning it in manner to make her claim the subject of ridicule. It's dishonest. It's not just humor.

There was a time when I thought the left was more dishonest than the right. What's happened over the past two or three years has forced me to come to grips with the fact that the right is probably more dishonest than the left at this time in history.

Her whole history has been scrutinized and it has fallen apart upon that inspection. The whole eloping bullshit and Native ancestry.

Dude. I grew up in Montana and it was not okay to say you were Indian without proof. She is a tenured professor at Harvard. She needs to be held to a higher standard than the **** she has pulled.

The test results are consistent with her claim. That is the truth. Why must the "conservative" side be so devoted to denying the truth?

[SeattleGriz]

Her whole history has been scrutinized and it has fallen apart upon that inspection. The whole eloping bullshit and Native ancestry.

Dude. I grew up in Montana and it was not okay to say you were Indian without proof. She is a tenured professor at Harvard. She needs to be held to a higher standard than the **** she has pulled.

The test results are consistent with her claim. That is the truth. Why must the "conservative" side be so devoted to denying the truth?

Because there are a shit ton of Americans with that LATIN AMERICAN Gene and you don't hear them saying I have an ancestor.

[JohnStOnge]

The test results are consistent with her claim. That is the truth. Why must the "conservative" side be so devoted to denying the truth?

Because there are a **** ton of Americans with that LATIN AMERICAN Gene and you don't hear them saying I have an ancestor.

The results are consistent with her claims. It's genetic material associated with a population from Siberia that crossed the land bridge between Siberia and Alaska and spread through the Americas. To me the stuff about calling it a "Latin American" gene is more evidence of the misinformation being spread by the "conservative" side right now.

[SeattleGriz]

Because there are a **** ton of Americans with that LATIN AMERICAN Gene and you don't hear them saying I have an ancestor.

The results are consistent with her claims. It's genetic material associated with a population from Siberia that crossed the land bridge between Siberia and Alaska and spread through the Americas. To me the stuff about calling it a "Latin American" gene is more evidence of the misinformation being spread by the "conservative" side right now.

You design tests and you're going to tell me not having a Native American genetic component won't affect the validity?

[Ivytalk]

It’s humor, John...a trait that you don’t even have 1/1024 of.

No it's not. I've seen manifestations of it. There are people all over the place that think the DNA tests showed that the woman is 1/1024th Native American. My Sister in Law is one of them. I even saw an anti Trump Republican woman who regularly appears on MSNBC lamenting Warren doing anything when she is only 1/1024th. We live in a time when the conservative movement is really bad about sowing misinformation and this is an example of it. The truth of the matter is that the results are consistent with what Warren has claimed about her ancestry. Conservative propagandists have been spinning it in manner to make her claim the subject of ridicule. It's dishonest. It's not just humor.

There was a time when I thought the left was more dishonest than the right. What's happened over the past two or three years has forced me to come to grips with the fact that the right is probably more dishonest than the left at this time in history.

You throw that D word around pretty loosely, bruh. You view Hillary and Warren as paragons of truth. Glass houses, Mr. Conservative.

[HI54UNI]

Warren has provided a picture of her Native American Mother



These are all her relatives



The house she grew up in

[JohnStOnge]

The results are consistent with her claims. It's genetic material associated with a population from Siberia that crossed the land bridge between Siberia and Alaska and spread through the Americas. To me the stuff about calling it a "Latin American" gene is more evidence of the misinformation being spread by the "conservative" side right now.

You design tests and you're going to tell me not having a Native American genetic component won't affect the validity?

The tests showed a Native American genetic component. Here is one discussion of it from https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... d-cant-te/:

We asked several top biological anthropologists to assess Bustamante’s methods. They all said they are sound.

"I have read the DNA test report closely, and think that the analysis described therein was conducted properly," said Theodore Schurr at the University of Pennsylvania.

"These are among the most robust methods today," said Deborah Bolnick at the University of Connecticut and past president of the American Association of Anthropological Genetics.

Bustamante found five DNA segments that he could say with 99 percent certainty were of Native American origin.

"Native Americans arose as a distinct population in Siberia some 17,000 to 23,000 years ago and then spread into the Americas around 16,000 years ago," Schurr said. "Indigenous populations share a common genomic make-up."

Then there is this bottom line:

Researchers told us the test results fit with Warren’s account of her Native American ties.

The test result is consistent Warren's claim. Conservatives arguing otherwise are spreading misinformation. But this is becoming all too common in the conservative movement. Many within it have shown a disturbing propensity for resorting to falsehood in order to promote their ideology.

I don't think that's necessary. I am a conservative libertarian and I don't think one has to lie in order to promote that point of view.

[GannonFan]

Come on, JSO - she let her employer classify her as a Native American minority for the better part of a decade. That's what her claims are. And this DNA test, as well as the just looking at her test, shows that she only has a tenuous link at best and wouldn't ever be considered Native American as a minority group. If she's that, then identity politics has no meaning. She is not what she (or Harvard) claimed her to be. Trump lies all the time, but other politicians have their share of lying as well - this just happened to be hers.

[SeattleGriz]

Come on, JSO - she let her employer classify her as a Native American minority for the better part of a decade. That's what her claims are. And this DNA test, as well as the just looking at her test, shows that she only has a tenuous link at best and wouldn't ever be considered Native American as a minority group. If she's that, then identity politics has no meaning. She is not what she (or Harvard) claimed her to be. Trump lies all the time, but other politicians have their share of lying as well - this just happened to be hers.

As I said previously. Growing up near Native American reservations, you DID NOT claim heritage without proof.

Her story is bullshit and shows how little she cared about the Native Americans, except to use them for advancement. If she was such a big advocate, she'd have SOME accomplishments promoting Native Americans, but yet she has none.

So important to her she didn't bother to associate or help.

[CID1990]

All in all it doesn't matter what indigenous Americans like the Cherokee Nation think...

They are a miniscule voting bloc and their support can be safely sacrificed in the name of identity politics. They don't get to say who is native ... Warren and the Shriek Brigades get to determine that


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[JohnStOnge]

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You throw that D word around pretty loosely, bruh. You view Hillary and Warren as paragons of truth. Glass houses, Mr. Conservative.

I did not say Democrats don't lie. I actually haven't tried to assess Warren overall. But Trump lies more than Hillary does or ever did.

Like I said: Historically, I maintained that conservatives tended to be more honest. I can no longer maintain that. It's not that liberals and/or Democrats aren't dishonest. It's that we've come to a time where conservatives and/or Republicans are worse. It's awful.

[JohnStOnge]

All in all it doesn't matter what indigenous Americans like the Cherokee Nation think...

They are a miniscule voting bloc and their support can be safely sacrificed in the name of identity politics. They don't get to say who is native ... Warren and the Shriek Brigades get to determine that


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I didn't know much about how they felt about this sort of thing but what I've seen them say since this story broke makes me think they are irrational.

Really, they SHOULDN'T be able to say who is "native" or partly "native" because of their sensibilities. That's an objective determination.

[AZGrizFan]

Warren has provided a picture of her Native American Mother



These are all her relatives



The house she grew up in

I’d like to be related...

[CID1990]

All in all it doesn't matter what indigenous Americans like the Cherokee Nation think...

They are a miniscule voting bloc and their support can be safely sacrificed in the name of identity politics. They don't get to say who is native ... Warren and the Shriek Brigades get to determine that


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I didn't know much about how they felt about this sort of thing but what I've seen them say since this story broke makes me think they are irrational.

Really, they SHOULDN'T be able to say who is "native" or partly "native" because of their sensibilities. That's an objective determination.

I see

So DNA trumps culture eh, Mr Spencer?

You sound like a Proud Boy

[Ivytalk]

I am a conservative libertarian and I don't think one has to lie in order to promote that point of view.

Problem is, your end-stage TDS has prevented you from advocating that point of view. You’ve picked up every DNC talking point there is. Congratulations.

[JohnStOnge]

I didn't know much about how they felt about this sort of thing but what I've seen them say since this story broke makes me think they are irrational.

Really, they SHOULDN'T be able to say who is "native" or partly "native" because of their sensibilities. That's an objective determination.

I see

So DNA trumps culture eh, Mr Spencer?

You sound like a Proud Boy

I don't know about Proud Boys but, yes, DNA is more definitive than culture when it comes to establishing what your ancestry is. I'm guessing you really agree with that.

[SeattleGriz]

I see

So DNA trumps culture eh, Mr Spencer?

You sound like a Proud Boy

I don't know about Proud Boys but, yes, DNA is more definitive than culture when it comes to establishing what your ancestry is. I'm guessing you really agree with that.

So using the meiosis example you gave, what do you say about two lineages that diverted because one line got all the "good" breaks vs bad breaks. They could be removed the same amount, but one line has more genetic purity? They are not the same?

[Winterborn]

Warren has provided a picture of her Native American Mother



These are all her relatives



The house she grew up in

I’d like to be related...

Mormons..... Are you sure you aren't from Utah?

[CAA Flagship]

Warren apologizes for 'harm I have caused' at Native American event

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/ ... nt-1468119

“Now, before I go any further in this I want to say this: Like anyone who's been honest with themselves, I know that I have made mistakes,” Warren, appearing at a forum for presidential candidates, said at the outset of her presentation. “I am sorry for harm I have caused. I have listened and I have learned a lot. And I am grateful for the many conversations that we've had together.”

[GannonFan]

Warren apologizes for 'harm I have caused' at Native American event

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/ ... nt-1468119

“Now, before I go any further in this I want to say this: Like anyone who's been honest with themselves, I know that I have made mistakes,” Warren, appearing at a forum for presidential candidates, said at the outset of her presentation. “I am sorry for harm I have caused. I have listened and I have learned a lot. And I am grateful for the many conversations that we've had together.”

I think she's done a pretty good job of covering over the concerns from her lineage mistakes. I still don't think she has near the kind of appeal in the Black community, especially compared to Biden, that she'll need to win the nomination. This is Biden's race to lose.

[89Hen]

I'm really sorry for the votes it may cost me.

[Gil Dobie]

Warren apologizes for 'harm I have caused' at Native American event

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/ ... nt-1468119

“Now, before I go any further in this I want to say this: Like anyone who's been honest with themselves, I know that I have made mistakes,” Warren, appearing at a forum for presidential candidates, said at the outset of her presentation. “I am sorry for harm I have caused. I have listened and I have learned a lot. And I am grateful for the many conversations that we've had together.”

They still don't get the fact that the Dakota Access Pipeline does not go thru any portion of Standing Rock Reservation. It does come within 500 feet of the res.