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mainejeff wrote:So what I want to know is this the new "normal"? Just want to make sure what the rules are when a Democrat gets in power. I don't think that Trump should get a mulligan and special rights just because he is a wealthy celebrity.

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On the idea that Trump keeps all his promises:

https://www.newsweek.com/how-much-highe ... as-1069476
A combination of increased spending and reduced tax intake have conspired to push the deficit higher, with President Donald Trump’s administration now estimating that the total figure will top $1 trillion in 2019, CBS News reported.

Trump vowed to cut the deficit when running for president in 2016, regularly bashing Barack Obama’s economic policies that saw the shortfall swell to well above $1 trillion during his time in office. He even promised to wipe out the national debt, though offered no suggestion of how that might be achieved. But now that he is in the Oval Office, the president seems less worried about the runaway numbers.
And let's remember that Obama took office during an economic crisis while Trump took office when the economy was already doing well. The Obama deficit increases are reasonably attributable to "stimulus" efforts to turn the economy around during an emergency. That doesn't fly for Trump.
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the White House is projecting a total deficit of $890 billion
This would be 33.7 percent up from last year’s deficit

"Of course I'll balance the budget, it'll be easy"

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Trump is making Obama look like a thrifty spender
Which begs the question: How do you out spend Obama..? (Seriously)
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JohnStOnge wrote:On the idea that Trump keeps all his promises:

https://www.newsweek.com/how-much-highe ... as-1069476
A combination of increased spending and reduced tax intake have conspired to push the deficit higher, with President Donald Trump’s administration now estimating that the total figure will top $1 trillion in 2019, CBS News reported.

Trump vowed to cut the deficit when running for president in 2016, regularly bashing Barack Obama’s economic policies that saw the shortfall swell to well above $1 trillion during his time in office. He even promised to wipe out the national debt, though offered no suggestion of how that might be achieved. But now that he is in the Oval Office, the president seems less worried about the runaway numbers.
And let's remember that Obama took office during an economic crisis while Trump took office when the economy was already doing well. The Obama deficit increases are reasonably attributable to "stimulus" efforts to turn the economy around during an emergency. That doesn't fly for Trump.
The fact that you can so easily discount the impact (unprecedented, mind you) of the Fed unwinding their $4.3 TRILLION balance sheet speaks volumes about how little you really understand the economy. That Trump has been able to continue this economic growth pattern to unprecedented lengths in the face of rate increases AND the Fed balance sheet actions would have you dancing in the streets of literally ANY OTHER conk president....yet here you are, minimizing and discounting him at every turn because...TRUMP. :roll:
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Chizzang wrote:the White House is projecting a total deficit of $890 billion
This would be 33.7 percent up from last year’s deficit

"Of course I'll balance the budget, it'll be easy"

:rofl:

Trump is making Obama look like a thrifty spender
Which begs the question: How do you out spend Obama..? (Seriously)
Easy

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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
mainejeff wrote:So what I want to know is this the new "normal"? Just want to make sure what the rules are when a Democrat gets in power. I don't think that Trump should get a mulligan and special rights just because he is a wealthy celebrity.

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Rape women get off like Clinton
Sell Uranium like Obama
Run guns in foreign countries like Obama
Bomb aspirin factories Clinton

Pretty much anything goes now when you are the president, I wish Trump would play by their rules but he is NBA D league compared to these guys.
So you admit that anything goes now. Good to hear. Hopefully Dems will start deporting Russians & other GOP friendly ethnics when they regain power. :thumb:

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mainejeff wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: Rape women get off like Clinton
Sell Uranium like Obama
Run guns in foreign countries like Obama
Bomb aspirin factories Clinton

Pretty much anything goes now when you are the president, I wish Trump would play by their rules but he is NBA D league compared to these guys.
So you admit that anything goes now. Good to hear. Hopefully Dems will start deporting Russians & other GOP friendly ethnics when they regain power. :thumb:

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Or at the least do something when the they learn of Russian meddling in a presidential election. :coffee:
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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:the White House is projecting a total deficit of $890 billion
This would be 33.7 percent up from last year’s deficit

"Of course I'll balance the budget, it'll be easy"

:rofl:

Trump is making Obama look like a thrifty spender
Which begs the question: How do you out spend Obama..? (Seriously)
Easy

Have a complacent Congress
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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:the White House is projecting a total deficit of $890 billion
This would be 33.7 percent up from last year’s deficit

"Of course I'll balance the budget, it'll be easy"

:rofl:

Trump is making Obama look like a thrifty spender
Which begs the question: How do you out spend Obama..? (Seriously)
Easy

Have a complacent Congress
They're terrified of him...
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AZGrizFan wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:On the idea that Trump keeps all his promises:

https://www.newsweek.com/how-much-highe ... as-1069476



And let's remember that Obama took office during an economic crisis while Trump took office when the economy was already doing well. The Obama deficit increases are reasonably attributable to "stimulus" efforts to turn the economy around during an emergency. That doesn't fly for Trump.
The fact that you can so easily discount the impact (unprecedented, mind you) of the Fed unwinding their $4.3 TRILLION balance sheet speaks volumes about how little you really understand the economy. That Trump has been able to continue this economic growth pattern to unprecedented lengths in the face of rate increases AND the Fed balance sheet actions would have you dancing in the streets of literally ANY OTHER conk president....yet here you are, minimizing and discounting him at every turn because...TRUMP. :roll:
That's ridiculous. So, you have some reason for thinking economic growth would have stopped had Trump not been elected? The guy took over when things were doing well. We can argue about whether or not things are going more well than they would've gone. But he did not have to take over under circumstances like Obama had when he took over.

And, again: My historical support of Republicans was not due to the economy.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
The fact that you can so easily discount the impact (unprecedented, mind you) of the Fed unwinding their $4.3 TRILLION balance sheet speaks volumes about how little you really understand the economy. That Trump has been able to continue this economic growth pattern to unprecedented lengths in the face of rate increases AND the Fed balance sheet actions would have you dancing in the streets of literally ANY OTHER conk president....yet here you are, minimizing and discounting him at every turn because...TRUMP. :roll:
That's ridiculous. So, you have some reason for thinking economic growth would have stopped had Trump not been elected? The guy took over when things were doing well. We can argue about whether or not things are going more well than they would've gone. But he did not have to take over under circumstances like Obama had when he took over.

And, again: My historical support of Republicans was not due to the economy.
What historical support of Republicans, since I have been here you haven’t been supportive at all.


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css75 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
That's ridiculous. So, you have some reason for thinking economic growth would have stopped had Trump not been elected? The guy took over when things were doing well. We can argue about whether or not things are going more well than they would've gone. But he did not have to take over under circumstances like Obama had when he took over.

And, again: My historical support of Republicans was not due to the economy.
What historical support of Republicans, since I have been here you haven’t been supportive at all.


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JohnStOnge wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
The fact that you can so easily discount the impact (unprecedented, mind you) of the Fed unwinding their $4.3 TRILLION balance sheet speaks volumes about how little you really understand the economy. That Trump has been able to continue this economic growth pattern to unprecedented lengths in the face of rate increases AND the Fed balance sheet actions would have you dancing in the streets of literally ANY OTHER conk president....yet here you are, minimizing and discounting him at every turn because...TRUMP. :roll:
That's ridiculous. So, you have some reason for thinking economic growth would have stopped had Trump not been elected? The guy took over when things were doing well. We can argue about whether or not things are going more well than they would've gone. But he did not have to take over under circumstances like Obama had when he took over.

And, again: My historical support of Republicans was not due to the economy.
Good GOD your reading comprehension has just gone to shit, John. What I’m saying is that what he’s been able to accomplish isn’t just your every day average run of the mill continuation of an economic expansion. During Obama’s expansion the fed raised rates exactly once. In fact in Obama’s first year as president they LOWERED the rate from 4.25 to zero. They proposed up the economy with QE1, QE2, and QE3. They kept the Fed Fund rate at ZERO. Literally as soon as Obama’s gone, the Fed totally changes their approach. Seven rate increases in 20 months. He’s doing it in the face of multiple Fed rate increases. He’s doing it in the face of the Fed unwinding a $4.3 trillion balance sheet. No president—-EVER—has had to attempt to accomplish that. No president ever has had to deal with a Fed that telegraphed their actions like this one. No president ever has had to deal with the double whammy of rate increases AND balance sheet unwinding (and I won’t even try to explain to you the impact of said unwinding and rate increases on economic expansion, as your recent reading comprehension has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt you wouldn’t understand it anyways).

You should stick to what you know, John, because you REALLY suck at this.
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