Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

[Chizzang]

Anyone catch Kamala Cleets Harris trying to draw a comparison of ICE to the KKK?

Yeah I saw it

It was another one of her “Does your mother know you’re gay?” questions like the one she put to Kavanaugh

Why the reply wasn’t “Are you aware that there is a perception that the Democratic Party is full of open borders radicals?” I have no idea. When somebody eventually hoists her from her own petard on CSPAN it will definitely get a posting from me here

Oh the humanity... how can the political process go on
We've got a snarky uninformed politician



How could somebody like that get so far ..?
Frankly boggles the mind

[CID1990]

Yeah I saw it

It was another one of her “Does your mother know you’re gay?” questions like the one she put to Kavanaugh

Why the reply wasn’t “Are you aware that there is a perception that the Democratic Party is full of open borders radicals?” I have no idea. When somebody eventually hoists her from her own petard on CSPAN it will definitely get a posting from me here

Oh the humanity... how can the political process go on
We've got a snarky uninformed politician



How could somebody like that get so far ..?
Frankly boggles the mind

I’m less concerned about her than the fact that calls to do away with our only mechanism for immigration enforcement aren’t given the same treatment as suggestions that Guam might tip over

[Pwns]

Remember when the media was aghast the prospect of Trump not conceding the election if he lost? Guess they haven't gotten around to watching Stacy Abrams' "concession" speech.

[CID1990]

Oh the humanity... how can the political process go on
We've got a snarky uninformed politician



How could somebody like that get so far ..?
Frankly boggles the mind

I’m less concerned about her than the fact that calls to do away with our only mechanism for immigration enforcement aren’t given the same treatment as suggestions that Guam might tip over

She was very Trumpy, wasn't she?




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[Ibanez]

Yeah. Due Process.

Yeah, Due Process...I know that’s a concept most Democrats either don’t understand, or out-right oppose...

See new Title IX rule discussions, entire lib argument against Justice Kavanaugh, and No Fly lists as they pertain to a citizens 2A rights...

Seems Trumps White House doesn’t understand it either


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[kalm]

Video shows white Kansas official telling a black woman he is ‘part of the master race’

Colleagues call on Kansas' Leavenworth County Commissioner to resign after telling African-American constituent "You have a gap in your teeth. We are part of the master race, don't you forget that." KSHB's Ariel Rothfield reports.

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/second-ac ... 8480323700

[Col Hogan]

Yeah, Due Process...I know that’s a concept most Democrats either don’t understand, or out-right oppose...

See new Title IX rule discussions, entire lib argument against Justice Kavanaugh, and No Fly lists as they pertain to a citizens 2A rights...

Seems Trumps White House doesn’t understand it either


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Did I defend the White House? On the other hand, how is due process being applied to a pass that an agency does not issue to just anyone?

[Ibanez]

Seems Trumps White House doesn’t understand it either


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Did I defend the White House? On the other hand, how is due process being applied to a pass that an agency does not issue to just anyone?

Your post made it seem you were giving Trump a pass.


And to answer your question, a Trump appointed judge seems to understand it better than both of us.


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[Col Hogan]

This may deserve a stand-alone thread...maybe not...

Seems lots of folks in this country really want to move to a true socialist society...

I don’t...but when I see elected officials talking openly about eliminating private property rights, and wishing the local and federal government could be in control of all aspects of our daily life...I wonder just how far we are from just going pure socialist...

Witness a recent interview with the mayor of NYC...and his disdain for property rights, and desire to control our daily activities,...

What’s been hardest is the way our legal system is structured to favor private property. I think people all over this city, of every background, would like to have the city government be able to determine which building goes where, how high it will be, who gets to live in it, what the rent will be. I think there’s a socialistic impulse, which I hear every day, in every kind of community, that they would like things to be planned in accordance to their needs. And I would, too. Unfortunately, what stands in the way of that is hundreds of years of history that have elevated property rights and wealth to the point that that’s the reality that calls the tune on a lot of development.

I’ll give you an example. I was down one day on Varick Street, somewhere close to Canal, and there was a big sign out front of a new condo saying, “Units start at $2 million.” And that just drives people stark raving mad in this city, because that kind of development is clearly not for everyday people. It’s almost like it’s being flaunted. Look, if I had my druthers, the city government would determine every single plot of land, how development would proceed. And there would be very stringent requirements around income levels and rents. That’s a world I’d love to see, and I think what we have, in this city at least, are people who would love to have the New Deal back, on one level. They’d love to have a very, very powerful government, including a federal government, involved in directly addressing their day-to-day reality.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/09/ ... ation.html

[89Hen]

Seems lots of folks in this country really want to move to a true socialist society...

That's not true Col. Jon says most on the left are moderates.

[Col Hogan]

Seems lots of folks in this country really want to move to a true socialist society...

That's not true Col. Jon says most on the left are moderates.

Yea, I read that...

[kalm]

This may deserve a stand-alone thread...maybe not...

Seems lots of folks in this country really want to move to a true socialist society...

I don’t...but when I see elected officials talking openly about eliminating private property rights, and wishing the local and federal government could be in control of all aspects of our daily life...I wonder just how far we are from just going pure socialist...

Witness a recent interview with the mayor of NYC...and his disdain for property rights, and desire to control our daily activities,...

What’s been hardest is the way our legal system is structured to favor private property. I think people all over this city, of every background, would like to have the city government be able to determine which building goes where, how high it will be, who gets to live in it, what the rent will be. I think there’s a socialistic impulse, which I hear every day, in every kind of community, that they would like things to be planned in accordance to their needs. And I would, too. Unfortunately, what stands in the way of that is hundreds of years of history that have elevated property rights and wealth to the point that that’s the reality that calls the tune on a lot of development.

I’ll give you an example. I was down one day on Varick Street, somewhere close to Canal, and there was a big sign out front of a new condo saying, “Units start at $2 million.” And that just drives people stark raving mad in this city, because that kind of development is clearly not for everyday people. It’s almost like it’s being flaunted. Look, if I had my druthers, the city government would determine every single plot of land, how development would proceed. And there would be very stringent requirements around income levels and rents. That’s a world I’d love to see, and I think what we have, in this city at least, are people who would love to have the New Deal back, on one level. They’d love to have a very, very powerful government, including a federal government, involved in directly addressing their day-to-day reality.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/09/ ... ation.html

I think his statements are way over the top and disagree with many of them as well, but wouldn't true socialism be the government taking the property and actually constructing the buildings too?

Maybe this should be a stand alone thread. I like the topic and it's very relevant to my neighborhood and work right now.

[GannonFan]

This may deserve a stand-alone thread...maybe not...

Seems lots of folks in this country really want to move to a true socialist society...

I don’t...but when I see elected officials talking openly about eliminating private property rights, and wishing the local and federal government could be in control of all aspects of our daily life...I wonder just how far we are from just going pure socialist...

Witness a recent interview with the mayor of NYC...and his disdain for property rights, and desire to control our daily activities,...



http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/09/ ... ation.html

I think his statements are way over the top and disagree with many of them as well, but wouldn't true socialism be the government taking the property and actually constructing the buildings too?

Maybe this should be a stand alone thread. I like the topic and it's very relevant to my neighborhood and work right now.

That's a good spot where socialism fails, i.e. the actual doing of things. Perfectly fine to say everyone should be equal and have equal things, entirely something else to have people actually work to provide that and provide it as well as it would be under a more capitalistic system (which of course has its own issues too).

[kalm]

I think his statements are way over the top and disagree with many of them as well, but wouldn't true socialism be the government taking the property and actually constructing the buildings too?

Maybe this should be a stand alone thread. I like the topic and it's very relevant to my neighborhood and work right now.

That's a good spot where socialism fails, i.e. the actual doing of things. Perfectly fine to say everyone should be equal and have equal things, entirely something else to have people actually work to provide that and provide it as well as it would be under a more capitalistic system (which of course has its own issues too).

Yep. It's like with healthcare - keep the providers and manufacturers private, just socialize the insurance.

Socialism and regulation are almost considered one in the same these days....similar to those thinking capitalism has to be the absence of regulation and evil.

[Baldy]

This may deserve a stand-alone thread...maybe not...

Seems lots of folks in this country really want to move to a true socialist society...

I don’t...but when I see elected officials talking openly about eliminating private property rights, and wishing the local and federal government could be in control of all aspects of our daily life...I wonder just how far we are from just going pure socialist...

Witness a recent interview with the mayor of NYC...and his disdain for property rights, and desire to control our daily activities,...



http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/09/ ... ation.html

I think his statements are way over the top and disagree with many of them as well, but wouldn't true socialism be the government taking the property and actually constructing the buildings too?

Maybe this should be a stand alone thread. I like the topic and it's very relevant to my neighborhood and work right now.

Isn't that basically what he said? If not, it certainly is the next step.

[kalm]

I think his statements are way over the top and disagree with many of them as well, but wouldn't true socialism be the government taking the property and actually constructing the buildings too?

Maybe this should be a stand alone thread. I like the topic and it's very relevant to my neighborhood and work right now.

Isn't that basically what he said? If not, it certainly is the next step.

Not exactly. It sounded more like greater control of what, where, and how things get built. It struck me as similar to what we do with defense contractors. They get paid as private companies to build what government requests with all sorts of standards and rules (and then some )

Not saying I agree with him as property rights and the ability to do what you want and sell it or rent it for what you want are super important.

[GannonFan]

That's a good spot where socialism fails, i.e. the actual doing of things. Perfectly fine to say everyone should be equal and have equal things, entirely something else to have people actually work to provide that and provide it as well as it would be under a more capitalistic system (which of course has its own issues too).

Yep. It's like with healthcare - keep the providers and manufacturers private, just socialize the insurance.

Socialism and regulation are almost considered one in the same these days....similar to those thinking capitalism has to be the absence of regulation and evil.

The issue with socialism for me, at least as it's been practiced historically, is the lack of individual incentive. If there's no incentive for someone to strive for something (education, job, wealth, status, etc) then why will they strive? Maybe some will still do that in the absence of individual incentive, but probably not a large enough group to really accomplish things (construction, advancements in science and medicine, innovation in general, etc). I'm all for the collective good, but I'm not sure how to mandate that socially and still have a growing, evolving society.

[Skjellyfetti]

You don't even have to "socialize" the insurance. Medicare / Medicaid are administered by private health insurance companies.

Been working at a health insurance company the last couple of years. Blegh.

[dbackjon]

This may deserve a stand-alone thread...maybe not...

Seems lots of folks in this country really want to move to a true socialist society...

I don’t...but when I see elected officials talking openly about eliminating private property rights, and wishing the local and federal government could be in control of all aspects of our daily life...I wonder just how far we are from just going pure socialist...

Witness a recent interview with the mayor of NYC...and his disdain for property rights, and desire to control our daily activities,...

What’s been hardest is the way our legal system is structured to favor private property. I think people all over this city, of every background, would like to have the city government be able to determine which building goes where, how high it will be, who gets to live in it, what the rent will be. I think there’s a socialistic impulse, which I hear every day, in every kind of community, that they would like things to be planned in accordance to their needs. And I would, too. Unfortunately, what stands in the way of that is hundreds of years of history that have elevated property rights and wealth to the point that that’s the reality that calls the tune on a lot of development.

I’ll give you an example. I was down one day on Varick Street, somewhere close to Canal, and there was a big sign out front of a new condo saying, “Units start at $2 million.” And that just drives people stark raving mad in this city, because that kind of development is clearly not for everyday people. It’s almost like it’s being flaunted. Look, if I had my druthers, the city government would determine every single plot of land, how development would proceed. And there would be very stringent requirements around income levels and rents. That’s a world I’d love to see, and I think what we have, in this city at least, are people who would love to have the New Deal back, on one level. They’d love to have a very, very powerful government, including a federal government, involved in directly addressing their day-to-day reality.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/09/ ... ation.html

I understand his frustration with high rents, etc. but that is not how it works. Central Planning would go against the Constitution. You want to do that, try to find 37 states to agree with you.

[dbackjon]

Seems lots of folks in this country really want to move to a true socialist society...

That's not true Col. Jon says most on the left are moderates.

And most don't want a truly socialist society. We all want SOME socialism. Well, other than Alpha and Grizza.

[JoltinJoe]

This may deserve a stand-alone thread...maybe not...

Seems lots of folks in this country really want to move to a true socialist society...

I don’t...but when I see elected officials talking openly about eliminating private property rights, and wishing the local and federal government could be in control of all aspects of our daily life...I wonder just how far we are from just going pure socialist...

Witness a recent interview with the mayor of NYC...and his disdain for property rights, and desire to control our daily activities,...



http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/09/ ... ation.html

I think his statements are way over the top and disagree with many of them as well, but wouldn't true socialism be the government taking the property and actually constructing the buildings too?

Maybe this should be a stand alone thread. I like the topic and it's very relevant to my neighborhood and work right now.

You've got to give DeBlasio credit for putting it out there and owning it. He doesn't pretend to be anything other than a socialist.

[Gil Dobie]

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[Col Hogan]

Isn't that basically what he said? If not, it certainly is the next step.

Not exactly. It sounded more like greater control of what, where, and how things get built. It struck me as similar to what we do with defense contractors. They get paid as private companies to build what government requests with all sorts of standards and rules (and then some )

Not saying I agree with him as property rights and the ability to do what you want and sell it or rent it for what you want are super important.

You do NOT want contracts (like most military contractors have) involved in building housing or any other civil projects...

If I was king for a day, military contracting would bea major issue I’d reform...

[kalm]

Not exactly. It sounded more like greater control of what, where, and how things get built. It struck me as similar to what we do with defense contractors. They get paid as private companies to build what government requests with all sorts of standards and rules (and then some )

Not saying I agree with him as property rights and the ability to do what you want and sell it or rent it for what you want are super important.

You do NOT want contracts (like most military contractors have) involved in building housing or any other civil projects...

If I was king for a day, military contracting would bea major issue I’d reform...

That’s kind of what I was implying, but those contracts are still worth the effort, no? It’s certianly not full blown socialism which was my point. If not, we have a shit ton more socialists in this country than I thought.

Ironically one of the biggest threats to capitalism is greed. FDR wanted to save capitalism from itself.

[css75]

You do NOT want contracts (like most military contractors have) involved in building housing or any other civil projects...

If I was king for a day, military contracting would bea major issue I’d reform...

That’s kind of what I was implying, but those contracts are still worth the effort, no? It’s certianly not full blown socialism which was my point. If not, we have a **** ton more socialists in this country than I thought.

Ironically one of the biggest threats to capitalism is greed. FDR wanted to save capitalism from itself.

John Adams summed it up best. Our form of government will only work if the people are a God fearing citizenry. As Spirituality has eroded, so is the integrity of government.


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