Migrant Caravan

[CID1990]

This is an albatross around the neck of the Democratic Party and the establishment types know it.

I can't wait for the Dem primary fight. It's going to be even better than the GOP fiasco in 2016.

Because the democrats didn't finish building the wall they promised to build..?



or because all brown people are the democrats fault

I guess you haven't been paying attention Clodz

Hillary came out last week and said governments (like in Europe) need to get a hold on immigration because failure to do so gives rise to populist nationalism

It was a rare moment of truth from Hillary- and she's getting pilloried on the left for it

Abolish ICE tells us all we need to know where the "progressive" left stands on the issue - and in the primaries it is going to be a sprint to the left - it is going to cost the Dems a lot of votes in two years

hell they might find a way to lose to Trump a second time - which would be amazing, frankly

BTW i noticed how you conflated immigration with race- its the same logic used to counter people who call out hardcore Islam .... interesting


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A couple of machine-gun nests should do the trick.

Yeah let's start murdering people.

Do you hear yourselves sometimes?

[93henfan]

A couple of machine-gun nests should do the trick.

Yeah let's start murdering people.

Do you hear yourselves sometimes?

It would be a less-expensive deterrent than a wall. Hopefully it would never have to be used.

Look, there are some borders in the world that don't need deterrents and some that do. We have processes for obtaining a US visa or becoming a US citizen and none involve crossing our border illegally. Law abiders would have nothing to fear.

[Baldy]

A couple of machine-gun nests should do the trick.

Yeah let's start murdering people.

Do you hear yourselves sometimes?

You must be new here...

Quit clutching your pearls.

[houndawg]

Because the democrats didn't finish building the wall they promised to build..?



or because all brown people are the democrats fault

I guess you haven't been paying attention Clodz

Hillary came out last week and said governments (like in Europe) need to get a hold on immigration because failure to do so gives rise to populist nationalism

It was a rare moment of truth from Hillary- and she's getting pilloried on the left for it

Abolish ICE tells us all we need to know where the "progressive" left stands on the issue - and in the primaries it is going to be a sprint to the left - it is going to cost the Dems a lot of votes in two years

hell they might find a way to lose to Trump a second time - which would be amazing, frankly

BTW i noticed how you conflated immigration with race- its the same logic used to counter people who call out hardcore Islam .... interesting


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I've been pointing out their ability to fvck up a sure thing for quite some time now. Once Mueller comes out with his nothing burger report it's curtains for the DNC..

[houndawg]

Yeah let's start murdering people.

Do you hear yourselves sometimes?

It would be a less-expensive deterrent than a wall. Hopefully it would never have to be used.

Look, there are some borders in the world that don't need deterrents and some that do. We have processes for obtaining a US visa or becoming a US citizen and none involve crossing our border illegally. Law abiders would have nothing to fear.

Illegal immigration is at a 45-50 year low and there are more Americans moving to Mexico now than vice versa.

[93henfan]

It would be a less-expensive deterrent than a wall. Hopefully it would never have to be used.

Look, there are some borders in the world that don't need deterrents and some that do. We have processes for obtaining a US visa or becoming a US citizen and none involve crossing our border illegally. Law abiders would have nothing to fear.

Illegal immigration is at a 45-50 year low and there are more Americans moving to Mexico now than vice versa.

Good and good.

[Ivytalk]

It would be a less-expensive deterrent than a wall. Hopefully it would never have to be used.

Look, there are some borders in the world that don't need deterrents and some that do. We have processes for obtaining a US visa or becoming a US citizen and none involve crossing our border illegally. Law abiders would have nothing to fear.

Illegal immigration is at a 45-50 year low and there are more Americans moving to Mexico now than vice versa.

For lower taxes, better chalupas, or more cheap crap?

[Ivytalk]

A couple of machine-gun nests should do the trick.

Yeah let's start murdering people.

Do you hear yourselves sometimes?

I don’t listen to my wife very often. Why should I ever listen to you?

[89Hen]

there are more Americans moving to Mexico now than vice versa.

That's because they're already all here.

Somebody's been reading HuffPo.

[GannonFan]

there are more Americans moving to Mexico now than vice versa.

That's because they're already all here.

Somebody's been reading HuffPo.

Could be more true than you think. Current migrations are typically from countries south of Mexico and just passing through Mexico on the way here.

[Chizzang]

Because the democrats didn't finish building the wall they promised to build..?



or because all brown people are the democrats fault

I guess you haven't been paying attention Clodz

Hillary came out last week and said governments (like in Europe) need to get a hold on immigration because failure to do so gives rise to populist nationalism

It was a rare moment of truth from Hillary- and she's getting pilloried on the left for it

Abolish ICE tells us all we need to know where the "progressive" left stands on the issue - and in the primaries it is going to be a sprint to the left - it is going to cost the Dems a lot of votes in two years

hell they might find a way to lose to Trump a second time - which would be amazing, frankly

BTW i noticed how you conflated immigration with race- its the same logic used to counter people who call out hardcore Islam .... interesting

In America immigration is a race issue - in case maybe you didn't notice...
or are just pretending to not notice like a college student

and this won't be the "thing" that keeps the left from getting rid of Trump
People not voting is what will keep Trump in office

[89Hen]

That's because they're already all here.

Somebody's been reading HuffPo.

Could be more true than you think. Current migrations are typically from countries south of Mexico and just passing through Mexico on the way here.

I wasn't really kidding. There are more than 36 million Mexicans living in the US as of 2016. That's 28% of Mexico's current population.

[Pwns]

In America immigration is a race issue - in case maybe you didn't notice...
or are just pretending to not notice like a college student

and this won't be the "thing" that keeps the left from getting rid of Trump
People not voting is what will keep Trump in office

Oh, codswallop, Chizzy.

If Latin-American immigrants were coming here with advanced degrees and skills most of the consternation would be from donks who like to bitch about the H1B program.

It's very easy for white suburban liberals to be "tolerant" when illegal immigration from down south means that their neighborhoods will remain mostly white, that they'll have cheaper prices on their organic Halloween pumpkins and non-GMO multivitamins, and no chance that illegals will be competing for their jobs.

[Chizzang]

In America immigration is a race issue - in case maybe you didn't notice...
or are just pretending to not notice like a college student

and this won't be the "thing" that keeps the left from getting rid of Trump
People not voting is what will keep Trump in office

Oh, codswallop, Chizzy.

If Latin-American immigrants were coming here with advanced degrees and skills most of the consternation would be from donks who like to bitch about the H1B program.

It's very easy for white suburban liberals to be "tolerant" when illegal immigration from down south means that their neighborhoods will remain mostly white, that they'll have cheaper prices on their organic Halloween pumpkins and non-GMO multivitamins, and no chance that illegals will be competing for their jobs.

Thank goodness the voice of reason stopped by
Straight out of a white suburban conservative neighborhood
to comment on white suburban liberal neighborhoods

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Oh, codswallop, Chizzy.

If Latin-American immigrants were coming here with advanced degrees and skills most of the consternation would be from donks who like to bitch about the H1B program.

It's very easy for white suburban liberals to be "tolerant" when illegal immigration from down south means that their neighborhoods will remain mostly white, that they'll have cheaper prices on their organic Halloween pumpkins and non-GMO multivitamins, and no chance that illegals will be competing for their jobs.

Thank goodness the voice of reason stopped by
Straight out of a white suburban conservative neighborhood
to comment on white suburban liberal neighborhoods

Don't most illegal immigrants end up in liberal areas? We have a sizeable population where I live to the point I know a couple. They typically blend in fairly well, do jobs no one else want to work, and don't really cause issues. And a few do bad stuff which is typical within any amount of people - illegal or otherwise.

Maybe I'm a very old-school American, but I think this country is for anyone who can make it to our shores and wants to put in the effort. I don't give a shit if they're making it here through a formal process or through the cover of darkness in the dessert. Don't care if they're Latino, African, European, Middle-Eastern, Asian, or from space. Don't care if they have an education or skill. Don't care what their religion is. Don't care if they're disabled. Don't care for their age or sex. As long as they care about the fundamental right to freedom, that's good enough for me.

[CAA Flagship]

Thank goodness the voice of reason stopped by
Straight out of a white suburban conservative neighborhood
to comment on white suburban liberal neighborhoods

Don't most illegal immigrants end up in liberal areas? We have a sizeable population where I live to the point I know a couple. They typically blend in fairly well, do jobs no one else want to work, and don't really cause issues. And a few do bad stuff which is typical within any amount of people - illegal or otherwise.

Maybe I'm an old-school American, but I think this country is for anyone who can make it to our shores and wants to put in the effort. I don't give a shit if they're making it here through a formal process or through the cover of darkness in the dessert. Don't care if they're Latino, African, European, Middle-Eastern, Asian, from space.

It's a matter of contributing to society like everyone else does. Do you want to get hit by a car driven by an illegal that has no license and no insurance? Is it OK if they have a job that pays cash and are not taxed? Is it OK if their healthcare needs are taken care of at a hospital and the costs are shared by everyone else? Is it OK if their children are attending public schools where they are not contributing to the education costs? We have enough problems with legal residents doing all these things.
All I care about is that we know who you are and that you are contributing your share to society.

[89Hen]

Maybe I'm a very old-school American, but I think this country is for anyone who can make it to our shores and wants to put in the effort. I don't give a shit if they're making it here through a formal process or through the cover of darkness in the dessert.

That might be the most stupid thing you've ever said here, and that's saying something.

And I'm not sure what dessert has to do with this.

[Chizzang]

Don't most illegal immigrants end up in liberal areas? We have a sizeable population where I live to the point I know a couple. They typically blend in fairly well, do jobs no one else want to work, and don't really cause issues. And a few do bad stuff which is typical within any amount of people - illegal or otherwise.

Maybe I'm an old-school American, but I think this country is for anyone who can make it to our shores and wants to put in the effort. I don't give a shit if they're making it here through a formal process or through the cover of darkness in the dessert. Don't care if they're Latino, African, European, Middle-Eastern, Asian, from space.

It's a matter of contributing to society like everyone else does. Do you want to get hit by a car driven by an illegal that has no license and no insurance? Is it OK if they have a job that pays cash and are not taxed? Is it OK if their healthcare needs are taken care of at a hospital and the costs are shared by everyone else? Is it OK if their children are attending public schools where they are not contributing to the education costs? We have enough problems with legal residents doing all these things.
All I care about is that we know who you are and that you are contributing your share to society.

The problem of immigration is solved at the TOP OF SOCIETY
If we make it extremely painful to get caught with employed illegals the problem goes away

They come here because companies hire them
Not because Liberals say dumb romantic things about immigration

They come for work
and we're doing nothing to change that no mater how many dumb things Liberals say

[houndawg]

Illegal immigration is at a 45-50 year low and there are more Americans moving to Mexico now than vice versa.

For lower taxes, better chalupas, or more cheap crap?

single-payer

[houndawg]

It's a matter of contributing to society like everyone else does. Do you want to get hit by a car driven by an illegal that has no license and no insurance? Is it OK if they have a job that pays cash and are not taxed? Is it OK if their healthcare needs are taken care of at a hospital and the costs are shared by everyone else? Is it OK if their children are attending public schools where they are not contributing to the education costs? We have enough problems with legal residents doing all these things.
All I care about is that we know who you are and that you are contributing your share to society.

The problem of immigration is solved at the TOP OF SOCIETY
If we make it extremely painful to get caught with employed illegals the problem goes away

They come here because companies hire them
Not because Liberals say dumb romantic things about immigration

They come for work
and we're doing nothing to change that no mater how many dumb things Liberals say

...they're paying into Social Security, too. I thank them from the bottom of my heart.

[Baldy]

Thank goodness the voice of reason stopped by
Straight out of a white suburban conservative neighborhood
to comment on white suburban liberal neighborhoods

Don't most illegal immigrants end up in liberal areas? We have a sizeable population where I live to the point I know a couple. They typically blend in fairly well, do jobs no one else want to work, and don't really cause issues. And a few do bad stuff which is typical within any amount of people - illegal or otherwise.

Maybe I'm a very old-school American, but I think this country is for anyone who can make it to our shores and wants to put in the effort. I don't give a shit if they're making it here through a formal process or through the cover of darkness in the dessert. Don't care if they're Latino, African, European, Middle-Eastern, Asian, or from space. Don't care if they have an education or skill. Don't care what their religion is. Don't care if they're disabled. Don't care for their age or sex. As long as they care about the fundamental right to freedom, that's good enough for me.

OK, so you're for open borders. Good to know.

[AZGrizFan]

The problem of immigration is solved at the TOP OF SOCIETY
If we make it extremely painful to get caught with employed illegals the problem goes away

They come here because companies hire them
Not because Liberals say dumb romantic things about immigration

They come for work
and we're doing nothing to change that no mater how many dumb things Liberals say

...they're paying into Social Security, too. I thank them from the bottom of my heart.

Only the ones with fake papers.

[houndawg]

...they're paying into Social Security, too. I thank them from the bottom of my heart.

Only the ones with fake papers.

Each of us contributes in his own fashion to the greater good.

[GannonFan]

Thank goodness the voice of reason stopped by
Straight out of a white suburban conservative neighborhood
to comment on white suburban liberal neighborhoods

Don't most illegal immigrants end up in liberal areas? We have a sizeable population where I live to the point I know a couple. They typically blend in fairly well, do jobs no one else want to work, and don't really cause issues. And a few do bad stuff which is typical within any amount of people - illegal or otherwise.

Maybe I'm a very old-school American, but I think this country is for anyone who can make it to our shores and wants to put in the effort. I don't give a **** if they're making it here through a formal process or through the cover of darkness in the dessert. Don't care if they're Latino, African, European, Middle-Eastern, Asian, or from space. Don't care if they have an education or skill. Don't care what their religion is. Don't care if they're disabled. Don't care for their age or sex. As long as they care about the fundamental right to freedom, that's good enough for me.

Aren't you the same guy who complains about "old people" (i.e. those 55 years or older) staying in the market and holding onto jobs that would otherwise be open to idling millennials? How do you think the open borders scenario you are advocating would play out with the tremendous numbers of migrants who would flock here if we just simply opened the doors and said come on over? How do you figure all of these unfettered migrants will be accommodated? Where will they work? Where will they live? Your "old-school" American idea that remembers fondly the open borders policy of the pre-1900's America is noble and rosey-sounding, but even the America of that time was not an idyllic wonderland for fresh immigrants.

I don't mind your ideals, in fact your ideals are greatly admirable. But ideals that can't at some point be realistic aren't terribly helpful.