MSU had no defense. Their best offense was putting 4 receivers wide, making conference Defensive player of the year, LB Cox, play a receiver, then Andersen would run away from Cox.Grizalltheway wrote:MSU was also 7-4 and had a linebacker playing QB all year. If EWU, Weber or Davis make it to Frisco, we'll find out what's what.Chizzang wrote:
Yes it is...
and the fact that nobody is as good as NDSU isn't necessarily a Big Sky problem
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You're probably right but there are several little signs that things could get competitive. They're going to face solid defenses from here on out unless Davis makes it through...especially Maine and Weber. Maine gives up no yards on the ground and Weber is tricky because they will blitz in any situation and from every position.Ivytalk wrote:On to the quarterfinals of the Bison Invitational.
We know SDSU can hang with them.
Regarding KSU, we've seen TO teams do well in the Fargo dome before (Georgia Southern and Chuck South). Not convinced yet that the Owls been truly challenged by an elite offense but they held their own against at least a decent one in JSU.
EWU doesn't have the lock down defense of the rest but it's better than the 2010 D and we can also score more than any of them.
Even Davis was able to give up less yards and points to UNI than the Bizon did. (I know it was at home and conference familiarity, etc).
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kalm wrote:at least a decent one in JSU.
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So you're saying 25 years later, they are flourishing?Chizzang wrote:Meh...
I remember when Boise State and Nevada left the big sky
it hurt for a while but the Big Sky is absolutely flourishing right now
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What?89Hen wrote:kalm wrote:at least a decent one in JSU.
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The decent JSU offense. They put up numbers on a bunch of nobodies. When JSU played decent teams, they did not fare as well.kalm wrote:What?89Hen wrote:
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3 National Championships, 6 title game appearances, 11 semifinal appearances, 6 Buchanan awards, 5 Payton’s over that time.89Hen wrote:So you're saying 25 years later, they are flourishing?Chizzang wrote:Meh...
I remember when Boise State and Nevada left the big sky
it hurt for a while but the Big Sky is absolutely flourishing right now
You’re not a very good troll.
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2 NC's in reality and how many of those appearances were Montana?kalm wrote:3 National Championships, 6 title game appearances, 11 semifinal appearances, 6 Buchanan awards, 5 Payton’s over that time.89Hen wrote: So you're saying 25 years later, they are flourishing?
You’re not a very good troll.
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BTW, in 25 years...
National Championships
Gateway/MVFC - 8 by three teams
CAA - 6 (*7) by five teams
SoCon - 6 by three teams (all no longer in I-AA)
Big Sky - 3 (*2) by two (*one) teams
So yeah.
National Championships
Gateway/MVFC - 8 by three teams
CAA - 6 (*7) by five teams
SoCon - 6 by three teams (all no longer in I-AA)
Big Sky - 3 (*2) by two (*one) teams
So yeah.
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That’s why I said decent. They moved the ball against NCAT, ETSU, and even Maine. Turned it over a ton though.89Hen wrote:The decent JSU offense. They put up numbers on a bunch of nobodies. When JSU played decent teams, they did not fare as well.kalm wrote:
What?
Decent.
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I guess we have different definitions of decent.kalm wrote:That’s why I said decent. They moved the ball against NCAT, ETSU, and even Maine. Turned it over a ton though.89Hen wrote: The decent JSU offense. They put up numbers on a bunch of nobodies. When JSU played decent teams, they did not fare as well.
Decent.
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You’re such a dick.89Hen wrote:BTW, in 25 years...
National Championships
Gateway/MVFC - 8 by three teams
CAA - 6 (*7) by five teams
SoCon - 6 by three teams (all no longer in I-AA)
Big Sky - 3 (*2) by two (*one) teams
So yeah.
The Big Sky has won 3 times as many NC’s since Boise, Nevada, and Idaho left.
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Huh? Didn't Boise, Idaho State and Montana State all win NC's back in the day?kalm wrote:You’re such a dick.89Hen wrote:BTW, in 25 years...
National Championships
Gateway/MVFC - 8 by three teams
CAA - 6 (*7) by five teams
SoCon - 6 by three teams (all no longer in I-AA)
Big Sky - 3 (*2) by two (*one) teams
So yeah.
The Big Sky has won 3 times as many NC’s since Boise, Nevada, and Idaho left.
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Well a top 10 FCS scoring offense that played 4 playoff teams is probably at least decent in most people’s books.89Hen wrote:I guess we have different definitions of decent.kalm wrote:
That’s why I said decent. They moved the ball against NCAT, ETSU, and even Maine. Turned it over a ton though.
Decent.
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Oops...yeah. I could have phrased that better (or not at all).89Hen wrote:Huh? Didn't Boise, Idaho State and Montana State all win NC's back in the day?kalm wrote:
You’re such a dick.
The Big Sky has won 3 times as many NC’s since Boise, Nevada, and Idaho left.
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But the Big Sky is still flourishing...and you’re still a dick.
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So they scored 14 on SEMO, 24 on Kennesaw (who is overrated), 27 on ETSU (who were a mid level team) and 14 against Maine until the game was out of hand. Check.kalm wrote:Well a top 10 FCS scoring offense that played 4 playoff teams is probably at least decent in most people’s books.89Hen wrote: I guess we have different definitions of decent.
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They scored 34 on ETSU and 27 on the #2 defense in the nation. Like I said...decent.89Hen wrote:So they scored 14 on SEMO, 24 on Kennesaw (who is overrated), 27 on ETSU (who were a mid level team) and 14 against Maine until the game was out of hand. Check.kalm wrote:
Well a top 10 FCS scoring offense that played 4 playoff teams is probably at least decent in most people’s books.
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SoGon hasn't been in the Championship game since 2007. Probably be a Big Sky/MFVC final four this year, because the ECB is down.89Hen wrote:BTW, in 25 years...
National Championships
Gateway/MVFC - 8 by three teams
CAA - 6 (*7) by five teams
SoCon - 6 by three teams (all no longer in I-AA)
Big Sky - 3 (*2) by two (*one) teams
So yeah.
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Yep. This is really more of an "are the CAA/traditional powers are really this bad" argument than anything else.Gil Dobie wrote:SoGon hasn't been in the Championship game since 2007. Probably be a Big Sky/MFVC final four this year, because the ECB is down.89Hen wrote:BTW, in 25 years...
National Championships
Gateway/MVFC - 8 by three teams
CAA - 6 (*7) by five teams
SoCon - 6 by three teams (all no longer in I-AA)
Big Sky - 3 (*2) by two (*one) teams
So yeah.
But there are some stars potentially rising on the EC)b) with KSU, Elon, Maine, SBU, Colgate, Duchesne etc. Hell, even Wagner and St. Francis have looked better lately when they come out here to play the Montanas.
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So pick 6's count for offensive production, or were you either lazy or hoping I wouldn't notice.kalm wrote:They scored 34 on ETSU and 27 on the #2 defense in the nation. Like I said...decent.89Hen wrote: So they scored 14 on SEMO, 24 on Kennesaw (who is overrated), 27 on ETSU (who were a mid level team) and 14 against Maine until the game was out of hand. Check.
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The fact that you're mentioning teams like St Francis and Duquesne (unless Matt Duchesne is now a university) ought to tell you that we've been right and you've been wrong on this entire thread.kalm wrote:Yep. This is really more of an "are the CAA/traditional powers are really this bad" argument than anything else.Gil Dobie wrote:
SoGon hasn't been in the Championship game since 2007. Probably be a Big Sky/MFVC final four this year, because the ECB is down.
But there are some stars potentially rising on the EC)b) with KSU, Elon, Maine, SBU, Colgate, Duchesne etc. Hell, even Wagner and St. Francis have looked better lately when they come out here to play the Montanas.
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Nah...I just missed that.89Hen wrote:So pick 6's count for offensive production, or were you either lazy or hoping I wouldn't notice.kalm wrote:
They scored 34 on ETSU and 27 on the #2 defense in the nation. Like I said...decent.
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I look forward to another 50 point rompIvytalk wrote:On to the quarterfinals of the Bison Invitational.
Actually the only drama is I see is the inevitable EWU-WSU rematch. Has EWU improved? Is WSU the class of the rest of the FCS?
Of course the winner of that game loses by 30-40 to NDSU so the drama ends there, but it will be nice while it lasts.
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You’re as fatalistic as a Children of Men redux or a Hens fan. I now hope Davis meets Colgate in the chipper.Silenoz wrote:I look forward to another 50 point rompIvytalk wrote:On to the quarterfinals of the Bison Invitational.
Actually the only drama is I see is the inevitable EWU-WSU rematch. Has EWU improved? Is WSU the class of the rest of the FCS?
Of course the winner of that game loses by 30-40 to NDSU so the drama ends there, but it will be nice while it lasts.