Crazier things have happened. Colgate and UD made it in the same year.kalm wrote:You’re as fatalistic as a Children of Men redux or a Hens fan. I now hope Davis meets Colgate in the chipper.Silenoz wrote:
I look forward to another 50 point romp
Actually the only drama is I see is the inevitable EWU-WSU rematch. Has EWU improved? Is WSU the class of the rest of the FCS?
Of course the winner of that game loses by 30-40 to NDSU so the drama ends there, but it will be nice while it lasts.
Honor belongs to Mvemjsunpx, be patient young Falkin.BlackFalkin wrote:Not one thread about the 2018 FCS Quarterfinals on FCSFans? This forum is really this bad apparently...
GoEags!
Rut roh!!!!JohnStOnge wrote:I might do more of this kind of thing later but for now just a quick check.
The earliest set of Sagarin ratings I can get to is for 1998. In the context of the overall Division I final rankings then the top 5 I-AA teams were rated 64, 65, 66, 79, and 88.
As of now in 2018 the top 5 FCS (I-AA) teams are rated 24, 58, 73, 79, and 90.
Obviously North Dakota State is the 24. But, at least according to Sagarin, I'm not seeing a big difference between 2 through 5 in 1998 and 2 through 5 in 2018 in terms of how the top I-AA/FCS teams rank in the overall Division I context.
Massey goes all the way back to the beginning of FCS. Like Gil pointed out regarding the last 5 years of the last decade Sagarin numbers that 93Hen used, if you go all the way back it varies a little by year, but really not that much. Here's a few examples. It's obvious that FCS was better when the SWAC and Big Sky were dominating.JohnStOnge wrote:I might do more of this kind of thing later but for now just a quick check.
The earliest set of Sagarin ratings I can get to is for 1998. In the context of the overall Division I final rankings then the top 5 I-AA teams were rated 64, 65, 66, 79, and 88.
As of now in 2018 the top 5 FCS (I-AA) teams are rated 24, 58, 73, 79, and 90.
Obviously North Dakota State is the 24. But, at least according to Sagarin, I'm not seeing a big difference between 2 through 5 in 1998 and 2 through 5 in 2018 in terms of how the top I-AA/FCS teams rank in the overall Division I context.
Jokes on you, Children of Men ends on a hopeful note!kalm wrote:You’re as fatalistic as a Children of Men redux or a Hens fan. I now hope Davis meets Colgate in the chipper.Silenoz wrote:
I look forward to another 50 point romp
Actually the only drama is I see is the inevitable EWU-WSU rematch. Has EWU improved? Is WSU the class of the rest of the FCS?
Of course the winner of that game loses by 30-40 to NDSU so the drama ends there, but it will be nice while it lasts.
So you're saying we've got a chance!Silenoz wrote:Jokes on you, Children of Men ends on a hopeful note!kalm wrote:
You’re as fatalistic as a Children of Men redux or a Hens fan. I now hope Davis meets Colgate in the chipper.
Maine's starting QB got hurt in the CMU game (he also missed the Yale loss, which explains that one).Pwns wrote:So, you've got a quarter-finalist in the playoffs who lost to the worst team in the Sun Belt.
And you've got a semi-finalist who lost 17-5 to a 1-11 MAC team and barely beat a 2-win WKU team.
Giving up 22 schollies, on the road.Pwns wrote:So, you've got a quarter-finalist in the playoffs who lost to the worst team in the Sun Belt.
And you've got a semi-finalist who lost 17-5 to a 1-11 MAC team and barely beat a 2-win WKU team.
SMH.
Don't try to use actual results, statistics, numbers, or facts. That goes right over their heads.Pwns wrote:So, you've got a quarter-finalist in the playoffs who lost to the worst team in the Sun Belt.
And you've got a semi-finalist who lost 17-5 to a 1-11 MAC team and barely beat a 2-win WKU team.
SMH.
I'm sure the semis and finals will be exciting93henfan wrote:FCS's "best" Defense: 0
NDSU: 35
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Silenoz wrote:I'm sure the semis and finals will be exciting93henfan wrote:FCS's "best" Defense: 0
NDSU: 35
/thread
...for the first 1-4 minutes
It's been over for a long time. I've never seen a worse beating than what Gil and Kalm took on this thread. Kalm is close to admitting he was wrong, but I don't thing Gil will.93henfan wrote:/thread
Sorry CAAn't take the CAAn't win fans seriously.89Hen wrote:It's been over for a long time. I've never seen a worse beating than what Gil and Kalm took on this thread. Kalm is close to admitting he was wrong, but I don't thing Gil will.93henfan wrote:/thread
And you had a team that didn't make the FCS playoffs beat Colorado State 35-19. If you're going to use score comparisons that's what Sagarin's ratings system does. It compares all scores comprehensively. And by the Sagarin ratings there isn't much difference between how FCS teams rate now within the context of Division I and how I-AA teams rated 20 years ago within the context of Division I.Pwns wrote:So, you've got a quarter-finalist in the playoffs who lost to the worst team in the Sun Belt.
And you've got a semi-finalist who lost 17-5 to a 1-11 MAC team and barely beat a 2-win WKU team.
SMH.
"Colorado State"JohnStOnge wrote:And you had a team that didn't make the FCS playoffs beat Colorado State 35-19. If you're going to use score comparisons that's what Sagarin's ratings system does. It compares all scores comprehensively. And by the Sagarin ratings there isn't much difference between how FCS teams rate now within the context of Division I and how I-AA teams rated 20 years ago within the context of Division I.Pwns wrote:So, you've got a quarter-finalist in the playoffs who lost to the worst team in the Sun Belt.
And you've got a semi-finalist who lost 17-5 to a 1-11 MAC team and barely beat a 2-win WKU team.
SMH.
You're a Georgia Southern fan so you know that Georgia Southern's great teams for some reason could never beat I-A teams until they beat Florida in their last game as a I-AA. At least I don't recall them beating a I-A until that big Florida win. Like Georgia Southern won the national championship with a dominating win over Arkansas State in 1986. It was an Arkansas State team that tied 8-3-1 Ole Miss . But Georgia Southern lost that year to 3-8 East Carolina. East Carolina even lost to the school we now know as Louisiana-Lafayette that year. The only teams they beat other than Georgia Southern were 0-11 Temple and 5-6 Cincinnati. So that year the I-AA national champ lost to a really bad I-A team.
Go back and look at the ECU team's schedule from that season. You'd think they were in a major conference with all the big names on it. Aside from that game, most of our FBS games were against blue bloods like UGA, Auburn, Florida, Florida State, and Miami. We didn't get many games against the Wyomings, CMUs, Colorado States, Minnesotas, or even Kansas State's except when we briefly went away from an option offense.JohnStOnge wrote:And you had a team that didn't make the FCS playoffs beat Colorado State 35-19. If you're going to use score comparisons that's what Sagarin's ratings system does. It compares all scores comprehensively. And by the Sagarin ratings there isn't much difference between how FCS teams rate now within the context of Division I and how I-AA teams rated 20 years ago within the context of Division I.Pwns wrote:So, you've got a quarter-finalist in the playoffs who lost to the worst team in the Sun Belt.
And you've got a semi-finalist who lost 17-5 to a 1-11 MAC team and barely beat a 2-win WKU team.
SMH.
You're a Georgia Southern fan so you know that Georgia Southern's great teams for some reason could never beat I-A teams until they beat Florida in their last game as a I-AA. At least I don't recall them beating a I-A until that big Florida win. Like Georgia Southern won the national championship with a dominating win over Arkansas State in 1986. It was an Arkansas State team that tied 8-3-1 Ole Miss . But Georgia Southern lost that year to 3-8 East Carolina. East Carolina even lost to the school we now know as Louisiana-Lafayette that year. The only teams they beat other than Georgia Southern were 0-11 Temple and 5-6 Cincinnati. So that year the I-AA national champ lost to a really bad I-A team.
Not to mention, the Sun Belch as a whole (Eastern Division specifically) is heads and shoulders better than the MVFC, which is head and shoulders better than the rest of FCS...according to JSO's Sagarin anyway.Pwns wrote:Go back and look at the ECU team's schedule from that season. You'd think they were in a major conference with all the big names on it. Aside from that game, most of our FBS games were against blue bloods like UGA, Auburn, Florida, Florida State, and Miami. We didn't get many games against the Wyomings, CMUs, Colorado States, Minnesotas, or even Kansas State's except when we briefly went away from an option offense.JohnStOnge wrote:
And you had a team that didn't make the FCS playoffs beat Colorado State 35-19. If you're going to use score comparisons that's what Sagarin's ratings system does. It compares all scores comprehensively. And by the Sagarin ratings there isn't much difference between how FCS teams rate now within the context of Division I and how I-AA teams rated 20 years ago within the context of Division I.
You're a Georgia Southern fan so you know that Georgia Southern's great teams for some reason could never beat I-A teams until they beat Florida in their last game as a I-AA. At least I don't recall them beating a I-A until that big Florida win. Like Georgia Southern won the national championship with a dominating win over Arkansas State in 1986. It was an Arkansas State team that tied 8-3-1 Ole Miss . But Georgia Southern lost that year to 3-8 East Carolina. East Carolina even lost to the school we now know as Louisiana-Lafayette that year. The only teams they beat other than Georgia Southern were 0-11 Temple and 5-6 Cincinnati. So that year the I-AA national champ lost to a really bad I-A team.
But that's beside the point. You seem to be implying I'm cherry-picking here, but I think I've seen enough to say that's not the case. I've said before in this thread that the CAA not being up to what it was is a big reason the FCS isn't as strong as it used to be and not just the FBS defectors. A CAA playoff team lost to a Duquesne team that was destroyed by UMass, Maine has looked bad against multiple bad G5 teams, Kennesaw lost to Georgia State, and a second team that eliminated a CAA playoff team was soundly beaten by the fourth or fifth-best Sun Belt team. That seems more like signal than noise.
You can't tell me all that could happen in the CAA's of most of the '00s. The year-by-year comparisons of Sagarin aren't really overly convincing. The wave of recent start-ups that think they're going to be the next UCF because they're in a market are most certainly dead weight in the G5 as well as programs like Texas State that have money but still suck. That doesn't mean the FCS isn't weaker than it was.
One more comment, 4 of the 10 Sun Belt teams in the current Sagarin rankings would be top 5, and 7 of the 10 would be top-25. For a conference that gets mocked as being a glorified FCS conference, it seems pretty damn strong.
Massey has NDSU at 18, App State at 41, Princeton at 51, SDSU at 56, EWU at 63, Dartmouth at 78 and Georgia Southern at 79.Baldy wrote:Not to mention, the Sun Belch as a whole (Eastern Division specifically) is heads and shoulders better than the MVFC, which is head and shoulders better than the rest of FCS...according to JSO's Sagarin anyway.Pwns wrote:
Go back and look at the ECU team's schedule from that season. You'd think they were in a major conference with all the big names on it. Aside from that game, most of our FBS games were against blue bloods like UGA, Auburn, Florida, Florida State, and Miami. We didn't get many games against the Wyomings, CMUs, Colorado States, Minnesotas, or even Kansas State's except when we briefly went away from an option offense.
But that's beside the point. You seem to be implying I'm cherry-picking here, but I think I've seen enough to say that's not the case. I've said before in this thread that the CAA not being up to what it was is a big reason the FCS isn't as strong as it used to be and not just the FBS defectors. A CAA playoff team lost to a Duquesne team that was destroyed by UMass, Maine has looked bad against multiple bad G5 teams, Kennesaw lost to Georgia State, and a second team that eliminated a CAA playoff team was soundly beaten by the fourth or fifth-best Sun Belt team. That seems more like signal than noise.
You can't tell me all that could happen in the CAA's of most of the '00s. The year-by-year comparisons of Sagarin aren't really overly convincing. The wave of recent start-ups that think they're going to be the next UCF because they're in a market are most certainly dead weight in the G5 as well as programs like Texas State that have money but still suck. That doesn't mean the FCS isn't weaker than it was.
One more comment, 4 of the 10 Sun Belt teams in the current Sagarin rankings would be top 5, and 7 of the 10 would be top-25. For a conference that gets mocked as being a glorified FCS conference, it seems pretty damn strong.
Get ready for the "Yeah, but..."kalm wrote:Massey has NDSU at 18, App State at 41, Princeton at 51, SDSU at 56, EWU at 63, Dartmouth at 78 and Georgia Southern at 79.Baldy wrote: Not to mention, the Sun Belch as a whole (Eastern Division specifically) is heads and shoulders better than the MVFC, which is head and shoulders better than the rest of FCS...according to JSO's Sagarin anyway.
Sounds like the old Socon would at least be competitive in the MVFC, Big Sky and Ivy with 22 more scholarships.
