Obama most admired man in America

[UNI88]

You leave Uncle Joe alone!

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I sure hope he runs, The Donald will smoke him.


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I don't know. They're both prone to saying stupid shit but Joe is a lot more likeable than Hillary and he has greater appeal with blue collar workers.

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[93henfan]

If the Dems have any smarts whatsover, go Booker/Beto and they don't even have to spend any money on Presidential ads.

That's a dream ticket.

[JohnStOnge]

You leave Uncle Joe alone!

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I don't know about Biden. But I think you really over estimate Trump. He's not popular. He's never been popular He benefitted from a very unique set of circumstances in which the Democratic nominee spent much of the election under FBI investigation then had the FBI director do what the FBI director did shortly before the election. And even with all that he got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney got in 2012. He is not a strong candidate. Most people don't like him and most people don't think he's doing a good job.

[93henfan]

I sure hope he runs, The Donald will smoke him.


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I don't know about Biden. But I think you really over estimate Trump. He's not popular. He's never been popular He benefitted from a very unique set of circumstances in which the Democratic nominee spent much of the election under FBI investigation then had the FBI director do what the FBI director did shortly before the election. And even with all that he got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney got in 2012. He is not a strong candidate. Most people don't like him and most people don't think he's doing a good job.

You also have to admit though, that elections fight for 10-20% of the population after each side has basically a 40% cut apiece to start. After that, people are voting for who they fear the least.

As long as the Democrats don't run somebody who scares people in a handful of tossup states (WI, MI, OH, PA, FL come instantly to mind) then they should win 2020 handily. If they're smart, they would lay low in Congress for the next year and a half to not be perceived as radicals. People in those states don't necessarily want radical change. If they could somehow come off as nice people for a change, they win easily, but something tells me they'll make it close. They're just not likeable people outside of urban bubbles.

[AZGrizFan]

I don't know about Biden. But I think you really over estimate Trump. He's not popular. He's never been popular He benefitted from a very unique set of circumstances in which the Democratic nominee spent much of the election under FBI investigation then had the FBI director do what the FBI director did shortly before the election. And even with all that he got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney got in 2012. He is not a strong candidate. Most people don't like him and most people don't think he's doing a good job.

You also have to admit though, that elections fight for 10-20% of the population after each side has basically a 40% cut apiece to start. After that, people are voting for who they fear the least.

As long as the Democrats don't run somebody who scares people in a handful of tossup states (WI, MI, OH, PA, FL come instantly to mind) then they should win 2020 handily. If they're smart, they would lay low in Congress for the next year and a half to not be perceived as radicals. People in those states don't necessarily want radical change. If they could somehow come off as nice people for a change, they win easily, but something tells me they'll make it close. They're just not likeable people outside of urban bubbles.

They could fuck up a wet dream.

[css75]

I don't know about Biden. But I think you really over estimate Trump. He's not popular. He's never been popular He benefitted from a very unique set of circumstances in which the Democratic nominee spent much of the election under FBI investigation then had the FBI director do what the FBI director did shortly before the election. And even with all that he got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney got in 2012. He is not a strong candidate. Most people don't like him and most people don't think he's doing a good job.

You also have to admit though, that elections fight for 10-20% of the population after each side has basically a 40% cut apiece to start. After that, people are voting for who they fear the least.

As long as the Democrats don't run somebody who scares people in a handful of tossup states (WI, MI, OH, PA, FL come instantly to mind) then they should win 2020 handily. If they're smart, they would lay low in Congress for the next year and a half to not be perceived as radicals. People in those states don't necessarily want radical change. If they could somehow come off as nice people for a change, they win easily, but something tells me they'll make it close. They're just not likeable people outside of urban bubbles.

Who they got that is likable and has just a tad of common sense? Certainly not Spartacus and Beto.


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[Skjellyfetti]

I don't know about Biden. But I think you really over estimate Trump. He's not popular. He's never been popular He benefitted from a very unique set of circumstances in which the Democratic nominee spent much of the election under FBI investigation then had the FBI director do what the FBI director did shortly before the election. And even with all that he got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney got in 2012. He is not a strong candidate. Most people don't like him and most people don't think he's doing a good job.

You also have to admit though, that elections fight for 10-20% of the population after each side has basically a 40% cut apiece to start. After that, people are voting for who they fear the least.

As long as the Democrats don't run somebody who scares people in a handful of tossup states (WI, MI, OH, PA, FL come instantly to mind) then they should win 2020 handily. If they're smart, they would lay low in Congress for the next year and a half to not be perceived as radicals. People in those states don't necessarily want radical change. If they could somehow come off as nice people for a change, they win easily, but something tells me they'll make it close. They're just not likeable people outside of urban bubbles.

I don't entirely disagree...

But, about half of the population doesn't vote. In recent history, it's who gets a larger share of people who don't usually vote.

That's how Obama won and that's how Trump won. Clinton, McCain, and Romney ran oldschool campaigns focused on winning over the small swing vote you're talking about.

2018 had the highest midterm turnout since before WWI. A lot of people voted who don't tend to vote in midterms. It's probably not a bad idea to sit back and let Trump self immolate... but, prodding him along isn't a bad idea either.

[JohnStOnge]

I happened across a set of polling results today that I think contains kind of a "smoking gun" indication that Trump is hurting the Republican Party. It's polling of a large sample of 2018 mid term elections voters reported at https://www.wsj.com/graphics/election-2 ... cast-poll/.

One set of results is for how people voted depending on whether Trump was a factor in their vote. Among those who said Trump was NOT a factor in their vote, Republicans actually had a 55% to 40% edge. But among those who said Trump WAS a factor in their vote, Republicans got beaten by 58% to 41%.

That dichotomy was a problem for Republicans because 64% said Trump was a factor vs. 35% who said he was not. He was clearly a net negative for the Republicans.

BTW I don't think there's clear evidence he was a net positive for them in the Senate races either. He endorsed 21 Senatorial candidates. 11 won and 10 lost. He appeared on stage at rallies with 15 of them. 7 of those won and 8 of them lost. Those numbers are from the article at https://www.npr.org/2018/11/08/66530925 ... dates-lost except the Mississippi Senate race is now known to be a win. All that happened in the context of a situation in which everyone knew from the start that the 2018 election Senate playing field was tilted significantly in the Republicans' favor.

[JohnStOnge]

Another interesting thing about the situation in which Trump endorsed 21 Senate candidates is that none of the winners were in clearly "blue" states while some of the losers WERE in clearly red States. Candidates he endorsed in Montana and West Virginia lost. There was nothing like that going the other way.

Rick Scott won in Florida but that is a "purple" State. All of the other winners were in DEEP red States (Wyoming, Nebraska, Mississippi, Utah, Tennessee, Indiana, North Dakota, Texas, Missouri).

Yes I now there were strong Democrat incumbents in West Virginia and Montana. But there is no race one can point to and say Trump clearly was a factor making the difference so that a Republican won when he or she otherwise would have lost.

[CID1990]

I can see Obama being most admired -

he's a genuinely nice guy and also happens to be a former 2-term President

Personally there are former cops who I admire more... most of them at one point or another saved my chitterlings and would have taken a bullet for me

but given a narrow choice between Obama and 5 or 6 other prominent people I might choose Obama

or I might choose Elon Musk (the jury is still out but history may show he contributed much more to us)


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[93henfan]

I happened across a set of polling results today...

Another interesting thing...

[Chizzang]

I can see Obama being most admired -

he's a genuinely nice guy and also happens to be a former 2-term President

Personally there are former cops who I admire more... most of them at one point or another saved my chitterlings and would have taken a bullet for me

but given a narrow choice between Obama and 5 or 6 other prominent people I might choose Obama

or I might choose Elon Musk (the jury is still out but history may show he contributed much more to us)

I enjoy how loved and hated Elon Musk is...
Plus I enjoy how bat-shit crazy awesome his girlfriend is



Grimes is badd-ass

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[93henfan]

I enjoy how loved and hated Elon Musk is...

Chizz, did you read the Wire expose on Musk? It's JSO long, but a great read.

I like his failure-is-not-an-option approach, but his on-the-spot firings of people without any justification, just to light a fire, is some low shit. For that reason alone, I'm sort of rooting for him to fail or commit suicide. I love Elon Musk the innovator. I hate like Elon Musk, the human being. Just keeping it real.

Link: https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-t ... gafactory/

[93henfan]

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Did she do any good songs?

[Gil Dobie]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... red-people

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1678/most- ... woman.aspx

It's unusual as the current President is usually in that spot.

Still, I wonder. Trump is #2. What kind of idiot would actually ADMIRE Trump? Another indication that we have a problem with the character of the population. So you admire a con man who lies practically every time he opens his mouth and built his fortune by cheating people. That's great.

How good of poll can this be if Donald Trump is #2.

[CID1990]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... red-people

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1678/most- ... woman.aspx

It's unusual as the current President is usually in that spot.

Still, I wonder. Trump is #2. What kind of idiot would actually ADMIRE Trump? Another indication that we have a problem with the character of the population. So you admire a con man who lies practically every time he opens his mouth and built his fortune by cheating people. That's great.

How good of poll can this be if Donald Trump is #2.

Because one “admirable” quality is being able to drive people you don’t like batshit crazy

In that category, Trump is #1

Give it a couple years and some equally moronic Democrat will occupy that space

[houndawg]

Trump is a Christ figure for sure


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So you know how much it pisses him off that he still can't draw crowds like Obama does. It just isn't fair.

[houndawg]

I don't know about Biden. But I think you really over estimate Trump. He's not popular. He's never been popular He benefitted from a very unique set of circumstances in which the Democratic nominee spent much of the election under FBI investigation then had the FBI director do what the FBI director did shortly before the election. And even with all that he got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney got in 2012. He is not a strong candidate. Most people don't like him and most people don't think he's doing a good job.

You also have to admit though, that elections fight for 10-20% of the population after each side has basically a 40% cut apiece to start. After that, people are voting for who they fear the least.

As long as the Democrats don't run somebody who scares people in a handful of tossup states (WI, MI, OH, PA, FL come instantly to mind) then they should win 2020 handily. If they're smart, they would lay low in Congress for the next year and a half to not be perceived as radicals. People in those states don't necessarily want radical change. If they could somehow come off as nice people for a change, they win easily, but something tells me they'll make it close. They're just not likeable people outside of urban bubbles.

This right here is the key.

Old timers used to break a chicken-killing dog of the habit by tying a dead chicken to them until it rotted off. best thing the donks can do is sit back and watch that chicken rot while the Republicans desperately try to remove it from their collar. The longer he stays attached to them the more thoroughly the republican party is damaged. The question is: whatever will we do for entertainment when he's gone?