How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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How long will the shutdown last?

Poll ended at Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:15 pm

Less than a week (open by Dec 28)
3
10%
1 to <2 weeks (open by Jan 4)
2
7%
2 to <3 weeks (open by Jan 11)
5
17%
3 to <4 weeks (open by Jan 18)
2
7%
4 to <5 weeks (open by Jan 25)
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5 to <6 weeks (open by Feb 2)
3
10%
6 or more weeks
14
48%
 
Total votes: 29

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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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93henfan wrote:
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Not really.

I've invested in a career in my niche field. I've educated myself to the point of a masters degree and hundreds of hours of continuing education to stay current. I'm in very high demand when politicians aren't holding me hostage over a border wall. Chizzang couldn't do my job, unless he had spent the requisite years learning the trade, roughly 10-15 years for my job and I have 23 years of federal service; it would be complete Greek to anyone walking in off the street. It's a highly specialized and difficult job, reading the Federal Register daily and staying current with the proposed and final rules, various acts of Congress, and the entire legal framework for overseeing the federal contracts, grants, and cooperative agreements process. Unfortunately, it's so specialized that it doesn't translate well to a job at the same level of pay in the private sector, because private contractors operate at a lower, for lack of a better word, cognitive level. Because of inherently governmental functions, we can only let them do certain things. Private contractors do things like basic purchasing and some slightly higher levels of contract specialist work like drafting contract documents and doing limited negotiation. They don't do obligations (the job of a federal contracting officer) or provide oversight of contracting officers and create acquisition policy (my job as a senior Procurement and Policy Analyst).

So I'm stuck waiting. I don't have any other viable option.

prior planning.....
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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93henfan wrote:Aaaaaand, Trump cancels Pelosi's trip to the Middle East minutes before takeoff.

Yeah, I won't be getting a paycheck anytime soon.
Dear Madame Speaker,

Due to the Shutdown, I am sorry to inform you that your trip to Brussels, Egypt and Afghanistan has been postponed. We will reschedule this seven-day excursion when the Shutdown is over, In light of the 800,000 great American workers not receiving pay, I am sure you would agree that postponing this public relations event is totally appropriate. I also feel that, during this period, it would be better if you were in Washington negotiating with me and joining the Strong Border Security movement to end the Shutdown. Obviously, if you would like to make your journey by flying commercial, that would certainly be your prerogative.

I look forward to seeing you soon and even more forward to watching our open and dangerous Southern Border finally receive the attention, funding, and security it so desperately deserves!

Sincerely,

Donald J. Trump


She took away his TV and sent him to bed without supper. :rofl:

Bitch-slapped by somebody's 70-something grandmother.... :ohno:
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93henfan wrote:Lindsey Graham has to go on another Kavanaugh hearing-style rant to get the two children to start playing nice.
Nobody listens to a word that catamite says. :coffee:
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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You know, 93, even aside from this situation, if all you were interested in was your own well being, you'd be pulling for Democrats to control all of government. That's because there is NO doubt that Federal employees have been and will always be better off when Democrats are in control. Democrats care more about the well being of Federal employees. They view government as a positive force for good. Republicans look at government as a necessary evil. If they had their way there would be fewer Federal employees and the ones that are employed would make less money, receive less generous benefits than they do, etc.

A Federal employee who votes Republican is voting against their own self-interest.
Partly true, but I also believe in personal freedoms afforded by the Bill of Rights, to include the Second Amendment. What we're going to get from 2021 - ? after Trump loses is a wild swing to the left, which comes with its own harm.

Also, Obama froze my pay for three consecutive years, so it's not like he was throwing me candy from his float.

Nobody is going to take your guns, Precious. :roll:
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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∞∞∞ wrote: Pretty sure a vaca is a relaxing time where you're not scrambling to call lenders, worrying about bills, wondering if utilities will be shut off, or figuring out how to put food on the table.
Lots of people put their vacay's on the credit card then stress over the bills later. :coffee:
Real fiscal conservatives, such as myself, don't. :coffee:

There is no way this shutdown will ever reach the point where I am affected.
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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houndawg wrote:
93henfan wrote:
Partly true, but I also believe in personal freedoms afforded by the Bill of Rights, to include the Second Amendment. What we're going to get from 2021 - ? after Trump loses is a wild swing to the left, which comes with its own harm.

Also, Obama froze my pay for three consecutive years, so it's not like he was throwing me candy from his float.

Nobody is going to take your guns, Precious. :roll:
Exactly. I'd bet on Trump attempting to take everyone's guns before ANY Democrat ever would. Unlike Trump....Democrats actually believe in rule of law. :thumb:

Taking guns.....the boogeyman of the Right. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Where would the Republican Party be if they couldn't use guns, gays or religion their crutch to scare people.... :suspicious: :suspicious: :suspicious:

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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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SDHornet wrote:
93henfan wrote:
The pressure is mounting on Trump though, and not on the Democrats. Time is not Trump's friend on this.

By the way, I am finally seeing some hard numbers on people affected. Other than the 800K (out of 2M) federal civilians not getting paid, the number of contractors and grantees currently not working is 4.1 million. So right now, Trump has taken away the paychecks of 5 million people with his wall demand.
All dems have to do is fund a piddly $5B for the wall/fence/barrier and everyone goes back to work.
Its the conks keeping the gubmint shutdown. After they fold then it will be time for some payback. :coffee:
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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93henfan wrote:JFC. Now Trump's DOL doesn't want to allow TSA workers to claim unemployment benefits. Are you **** kidding me?
Hey Hen, I came across this article today:

https://www.fedsmith.com/2019/01/17/bil ... -shutdown/
The Financial Relief for Feds Act (H.R. 545) was introduced by Congressmen Pete Olson (R-TX), Don Beyer (D-VA) and Ed Perlmutter (D-CO). It would allow all federal employees, both excepted and non-excepted, as well as federal contractors, to withdraw from retirement accounts (including IRAs) without the 10% penalty that normally applies.

The Thrift Savings Plan is also included, and federal employees would be able to make multiple withdrawals from the TSP under the terms of the bill.
My impression is you've been a good boy in building your TSP up. If that passes you'll be able to keep going on your TSP funds. Then when this is over you'll get back pay. I doubt you'll be able to put it back in your TSP account but you could put it in an outside retirement investment. I hope it works out man. Pray they pass that bill and Trump signs it.

If it happens we'll drink a toast. Remotely, of course.
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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JohnStOnge wrote:
93henfan wrote:JFC. Now Trump's DOL doesn't want to allow TSA workers to claim unemployment benefits. Are you **** kidding me?
Hey Hen, I came across this article today:

https://www.fedsmith.com/2019/01/17/bil ... -shutdown/
The Financial Relief for Feds Act (H.R. 545) was introduced by Congressmen Pete Olson (R-TX), Don Beyer (D-VA) and Ed Perlmutter (D-CO). It would allow all federal employees, both excepted and non-excepted, as well as federal contractors, to withdraw from retirement accounts (including IRAs) without the 10% penalty that normally applies.

The Thrift Savings Plan is also included, and federal employees would be able to make multiple withdrawals from the TSP under the terms of the bill.
My impression is you've been a good boy in building your TSP up. If that passes you'll be able to keep going on your TSP funds. Then when this is over you'll get back pay. I doubt you'll be able to put it back in your TSP account but you could put it in an outside retirement investment. I hope it works out man. Pray they pass that bill and Trump signs it.

If it happens we'll drink a toast. Remotely, of course.
TSP is a bit unique in that you can take a loan against it at the same rate as whatever the G fund is currently returning, which is something like 2.5% currently. You can take out up to $50K.

I don't think I'll get to that point, but the option is available.

With my rainy day account and my tax return, I'm probably good for several months. I like to make joking posts about despair, but I'm not there yet. Let's hope I don't get there. I know that some people are there, but not me. Yet.
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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I just heard it once on TV but I heard it. A Trump Administration Official reportedly said the Super Bowl may have to be postponed because of the shutdown. I Googled and didn't see a direct reference to a Trump official saying it but I did find this:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/ ... ailed.html

I should say that if I heard correctly the TV report I heard today wasn't about the airport. It was about the Super Bowl being an event that requires a lot of security. Either way, there appear to be rumblings about the shutdown calling the Super Bowl into question.

Now THAT would get people's attention.

EDIT: Ok, here's an article that includes reference to the game security angle:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... wl-n959591
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JohnStOnge wrote:I just heard it once on TV but I heard it. A Trump Administration Official reportedly said the Super Bowl may have to be postponed because of the shutdown. I Googled and didn't see a direct reference to a Trump official saying it but I did find this:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/ ... ailed.html

I should say that if I heard correctly the TV report I heard today wasn't about the airport. It was about the Super Bowl being an event that requires a lot of security. Either way, there appear to be rumblings about the shutdown calling the Super Bowl into question.

Now THAT would get people's attention.

EDIT: Ok, here's an article that includes reference to the game security angle:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... wl-n959591
TSA can singlehandledly disrupt the Super Bowl with a 100% sickout in Atlanta.
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I can't find the article I read this morning to link it, but there was a fairly noble suggestion to Trump to get some progress going on the border wall fight:

Basically, it recommended he establish a Presidential commission headed by, say, GWB or both GWB and Clinton, with a committee consisting of the four border state Governors, which are a nice split of two Democrats and two Republicans. Give them 30 (or 60 or 90, whatever) days to meet and hash out a recommendation to Trump on a border plan, get a good faith buy-in (including signatures) from all the Congressional leadership that they will implement the recommendations, and open the government in the meantime.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Murica 2019
What are they serving?

I have to swing through DC on Tuesday to sign my second furlough letter, since the first one for 30 days expires Monday.
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"The unmasking thing was all created by Devin Nunes"
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Nice!
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93henfan wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:I just heard it once on TV but I heard it. A Trump Administration Official reportedly said the Super Bowl may have to be postponed because of the shutdown. I Googled and didn't see a direct reference to a Trump official saying it but I did find this:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/ ... ailed.html

I should say that if I heard correctly the TV report I heard today wasn't about the airport. It was about the Super Bowl being an event that requires a lot of security. Either way, there appear to be rumblings about the shutdown calling the Super Bowl into question.

Now THAT would get people's attention.

EDIT: Ok, here's an article that includes reference to the game security angle:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... wl-n959591
TSA can singlehandledly disrupt the Super Bowl with a 100% sickout in Atlanta.
I just sent my two entries for the $100 board. What kind of a monster would jeopardize the SB over politics???

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kalm wrote:
93henfan wrote:
TSA can singlehandledly disrupt the Super Bowl with a 100% sickout in Atlanta.
I just sent my two entries for the $100 board. What kind of a monster would jeopardize the SB over politics???

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houndawg wrote:
93henfan wrote:Lindsey Graham has to go on another Kavanaugh hearing-style rant to get the two children to start playing nice.
Nobody listens to a word that catamite says. :coffee:
Word of the day!

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Skjellyfetti wrote:
At least they are eating better than Clemson did..... :ohno:
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Trump to give a "major address" tomorrow.
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Ibanez wrote:Trump to give a "major address" tomorrow.
Put some pants on 93. Back to the salt mine on Tuesday!
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Trump to give a "major address" tomorrow.
Put some pants on 93. Back to the salt mine on Tuesday!
This is what I was worried about. I don't really want to go back to work. It's more fun to bitch about being unemployed.
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