But think of the wrench this throws into the campaign finance control crowd. If all you have to do to swing an election is spend $13k on poll rigging and another small amount on targeted Facebook adverstisements, then who cares about the millions of dollars campaigns spend on all the other stuff that apparently doesn't even matter.Ibanez wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/poll-riggi ... 1547722801
In early 2015, a man who runs a small technology company showed up at Trump Tower to collect $50,000 for having helped Michael Cohen, then Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, try to rig online polls in his boss’s favor before the presidential campaign.
In his Trump Organization office, Mr. Cohen surprised the man, John Gauger, by giving him a blue Walmart bag containing between $12,000 and $13,000 in cash and, randomly, a boxing glove that Mr. Cohen said had been worn by a Brazilian mixed-martial arts fighter, Mr. Gauger said.
But seriously, if true. This has got to be a huge deal.
First, Manafort is providing the Russians with internal polling data. Data that the campaign uses to understand where it's failing and succeeding. Where to pull and spend money. Which demographics are you gaining, losing or is up for grabs. Why would you share that with anyone outside of the campaign?
Now this? An attempt to rig polling?
Very very suspicious....
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Boy kalm.Grizalltheway wrote:Which one were you?kalm wrote:
Did anyone else have people who dressed up as Boy George, Joan Jett, or Robert Smith on a daily basis in high school?
Come to think of it, we had a few Crockett’s too.
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I was Rusty...the European Tour...Grizalltheway wrote:Which one were you?kalm wrote:
Did anyone else have people who dressed up as Boy George, Joan Jett, or Robert Smith on a daily basis in high school?
Come to think of it, we had a few Crockett’s too.
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Flaggy...the 80'sCAA Flagship wrote:Boy kalm.Grizalltheway wrote: Which one were you?
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Ahh, 100 pounds ago.kalm wrote:Flaggy...the 80'sCAA Flagship wrote: Boy kalm.
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kalm wrote:Flaggy...the 80'sCAA Flagship wrote: Boy kalm.
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Good point. The 2016 election cost about $6B.GannonFan wrote:But think of the wrench this throws into the campaign finance control crowd. If all you have to do to swing an election is spend $13k on poll rigging and another small amount on targeted Facebook adverstisements, then who cares about the millions of dollars campaigns spend on all the other stuff that apparently doesn't even matter.Ibanez wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/poll-riggi ... 1547722801
But seriously, if true. This has got to be a huge deal.
First, Manafort is providing the Russians with internal polling data. Data that the campaign uses to understand where it's failing and succeeding. Where to pull and spend money. Which demographics are you gaining, losing or is up for grabs. Why would you share that with anyone outside of the campaign?
Now this? An attempt to rig polling?
Very very suspicious....
That money could've been used on something better.
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Heck, if we had public financing of all federal elections, the lobbyist problem would vanish overnight, and all of us could afford a house in Kalorama! — PollyannaIbanez wrote:Good point. The 2016 election cost about $6B.GannonFan wrote:
But think of the wrench this throws into the campaign finance control crowd. If all you have to do to swing an election is spend $13k on poll rigging and another small amount on targeted Facebook adverstisements, then who cares about the millions of dollars campaigns spend on all the other stuff that apparently doesn't even matter.
That money could've been used on something better.
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Heck!!Ivytalk wrote:Heck, if we had public financing of all federal elections, the lobbyist problem would vanish overnight, and all of us could afford a house in Kalorama! — PollyannaIbanez wrote:
Good point. The 2016 election cost about $6B.
That money could've been used on something better.
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Did Gannonfan hack your account?Ivytalk wrote:Heck, if we had public financing of all federal elections, the lobbyist problem would vanish overnight, and all of us could afford a house in Kalorama! — PollyannaIbanez wrote:
Good point. The 2016 election cost about $6B.
That money could've been used on something better.
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Like hookers and blow.Ibanez wrote:Good point. The 2016 election cost about $6B.GannonFan wrote:
But think of the wrench this throws into the campaign finance control crowd. If all you have to do to swing an election is spend $13k on poll rigging and another small amount on targeted Facebook adverstisements, then who cares about the millions of dollars campaigns spend on all the other stuff that apparently doesn't even matter.
That money could've been used on something better.
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Testimony last year before a House task force investigating the Trump-Russia affair confirmed that top Justice Department officials knew about the Trump dossier earlier than first thought, and that among those who knew was Andrew Weissmann, who went on to become the top deputy of special counsel Robert Mueller.
The Ohr testimony suggests that not only did top FBI officials know about the dossier, but top Justice Department officials did, too. And two of them, Weissmann and Ahmad, went on to work for Mueller.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... &ocid=iehp"So you specifically told the bureau that the information you were passing on came from someone who was employed by the DNC, albeit in a somewhat triangulated way?" asked Gowdy.
"I don't believe I used — I didn't know they were employed by the DNC," Ohr answered. "But I certainly said yes, that — that they were working for — you know, they were somehow working, associated with the Clinton campaign. And I also told the FBI that my wife worked for Fusion GPS, or was a contractor for Fusion GPS."
So the FBI and DOJ knew the dossier was fake and about its shady origins and still used it in the FISA warrant application to spy on the Trump campaign. But no Deep State, right jellybelly?
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/17/politics ... index.html
Looks like the media might be falling for Buzzfeed's tricks again. Still no independent corroboration yet.
Looks like the media might be falling for Buzzfeed's tricks again. Still no independent corroboration yet.
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Yeah, would also like to see some corroboration on that.
Will say, though... those two BuzzFeed guys do seem to have some sources involved in the SDNY investigation.
They broke the Moscow Trump Tower story in May 2018... months before it was confirmed via court filings.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/an ... r-campaign
SDNY has interviewed Trump Org folks. It doesn't seem Mueller and Co. have done so yet. So, I think the sourcing is out of SDNY or FBI field office there. And, it's likely the same sources that have proven to be right before.
Will say, though... those two BuzzFeed guys do seem to have some sources involved in the SDNY investigation.
They broke the Moscow Trump Tower story in May 2018... months before it was confirmed via court filings.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/an ... r-campaign
SDNY has interviewed Trump Org folks. It doesn't seem Mueller and Co. have done so yet. So, I think the sourcing is out of SDNY or FBI field office there. And, it's likely the same sources that have proven to be right before.
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While I think BuzzFeed isn't the best source for legit news, the two authors have a history of being right as well as award nomination/winning for their investigative journalism. These aren't two nitwits writing click bait content.Skjellyfetti wrote:Yeah, would also like to see some corroboration on that.
Will say, though... those two BuzzFeed guys do seem to have some sources involved in the SDNY investigation.
They broke the Moscow Trump Tower story in May 2018... months before it was confirmed via court filings.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/an ... r-campaign
SDNY has interviewed Trump Org folks. It doesn't seem Mueller and Co. have done so yet. So, I think the sourcing is out of SDNY or FBI field office there. And, it's likely the same sources that have proven to be right before.
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Ibanez wrote:While I think BuzzFeed isn't the best source for legit news, the two authors have a history of being right as well as award nomination/winning for their investigative journalism. These aren't two nitwits writing click bait content.Skjellyfetti wrote:Yeah, would also like to see some corroboration on that.
Will say, though... those two BuzzFeed guys do seem to have some sources involved in the SDNY investigation.
They broke the Moscow Trump Tower story in May 2018... months before it was confirmed via court filings.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/an ... r-campaign
SDNY has interviewed Trump Org folks. It doesn't seem Mueller and Co. have done so yet. So, I think the sourcing is out of SDNY or FBI field office there. And, it's likely the same sources that have proven to be right before.
Really? You are bringing THAT up on THIS board?
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We know.CAA Flagship wrote:Ibanez wrote:
While I think BuzzFeed isn't the best source for legit news, the two authors have a history of being right as well as award nomination/winning for their investigative journalism. These aren't two nitwits writing click bait content.
Really? You are bringing THAT up on THIS board?
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From what I've seen they are being very cautious about it. Yes, they are talking a lot. But there's a lot of "if true" and "hasn't been confirmed by (insert media entity)" stuff.Pwns wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/17/politics ... index.html
Looks like the media might be falling for Buzzfeed's tricks again. Still no independent corroboration yet.
I hope it turns out to be true so we can get rid of this guy. I'll never vote for Pence and hope if he does ascend he gets clobbered in the next election. But at least we would have an adult that has SOME idea as to what he's doing in the job.
But here is what mediabiasfactcheck has to say about Buzzfeed:
Time will tell.Overall, we rate Buzzfeed Left-Center Biased due to story selection that tends to favor the left and Mixed for factual reporting based on poor sourcing and a few failed fact checks. (6/30/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 12/23/18)
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