How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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How long will the shutdown last?

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Less than a week (open by Dec 28)
3
10%
1 to <2 weeks (open by Jan 4)
2
7%
2 to <3 weeks (open by Jan 11)
5
17%
3 to <4 weeks (open by Jan 18)
2
7%
4 to <5 weeks (open by Jan 25)
0
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5 to <6 weeks (open by Feb 2)
3
10%
6 or more weeks
14
48%
 
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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89Hen wrote:
93henfan wrote:Trump postpones SOTU until shutdown is over.

Point: Pelosi
TBD. The only place that matters is public opinion. Trump was already losing the public opinion battle over the shutdown. This move by Pelosi is closer to a Trump move than a smart one, so IMO it can only hurt her.
Trump is getting destroyed in every single poll. He's losing bigly.

In addition, a third GOP Senator, Cory Gardner, just flipped this morning and joined Murkowski and Collins in siding with Pelosi's position of a clean funding bill prior to border negotiation. :clap:

The Republicans need to abandon Trump if they are going to remain a going concern.
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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Grizalltheway wrote:
89Hen wrote: TBD. The only place that matters is public opinion. Trump was already losing the public opinion battle over the shutdown. This move by Pelosi is closer to a Trump move than a smart one, so IMO it can only hurt her.
Pelosi doesn't have to worry about reelection as long as she's around. Trump is losing voters every day this goes on. Exhibit A: 93henfan. :coffee:
:suspicious: I'm pretty sure 93 didn't vote for him the first time, so....
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89Hen wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote: Pelosi doesn't have to worry about reelection as long as she's around. Trump is losing voters every day this goes on. Exhibit A: 93henfan. :coffee:
:suspicious: I'm pretty sure 93 didn't vote for him the first time, so....
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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93henfan wrote:
89Hen wrote: :suspicious: I'm pretty sure 93 didn't vote for him the first time, so....
I did. Bad mistake. And I own it. In fact, I'm paying for it now.
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93henfan wrote:
I did. Bad mistake. And I own it. In fact, I'm paying for it now.
:shock:
Do you not ever read this board or something? Jesus. :lol: I hate Hillary Clinton.
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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Border crossings last year were way down over uncertainty with the Trump admin’s intentions regarding asylum hearings, TPS, whether or not bring a kid was beneficial, etc-

But part of your assertion shows how desensitized we have become to illegal immigration- 400,000 people is a big number. We cant completely stop it but we can improve on it. But if 400,000 cross over each year, and we manage to 9A half of them and the other half disappear... guess where we are again in 20 years? Talking about Dreamers.

Trump says a lot of dumb and untrue things about his wall but an enhanced physical barrier IS a part of the larger solution. Even Steny Hoyer conceded this point yesterday (and I’m sure he’s getting a scolding today)


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I'm not against a barrier. Trump wants a wall to span to the entire border. At least that is what he has said and promised and then took back. So who the **** knows. ~650 miles of the ~1,950 border has a wall/fence of some kind. There are 48 crossings with about 300 PoE. Much of the border that isn't walled is a river. Should sections be repaired/updated? Sure. Should some sections with high traffic be beefed up? Yes. We know the high traffic areas and where there are sometimes TWO walls (which also happened to have tunnels underneath them to sneak into the US). But the wall is only 1 part and I don't think it's the most important part of the solution.

But I think you'd agree that a wall will not do the job alone. I defer to your expertise but I still don't believe a wall like Trump wants is the answer. :coffee:

On Fox News yesterday, the mayor of San Diego (R) was going on and on about the wall
I’ve said a physical barrier is a part of the total border picture - on this forum- numerous times. Until I was blue in the face

even when Trump was campaigning on the wall it was pretty much conventional wisdom that there were significant stretches of the border that don’t need a wall.

But there are also significant areas where people are simply walking in. I know this because I was processing these people on spousal visas- after they had been across the border, then got caught weeks or months later, and then got paroled in to the country due to the court backlog and lack of detention facilities, THEN got married, and then ten years later come back to their country of origin for their immigrant visa (with a past asylum claim... guess they were suddenly up afraid of El Salvador) and get granted a waiver of their ineligibilities by USCIS on account of their marriage to a USC.

Anyone who knows anything about what happens AFTER an alien sets foot on US soil knows that preventing entries without inspection in the first place is an area where we need to be putting significant resources if we are truly serious about border security.

One other thought on the matter - all of these people bring kids with them. Kids are a one way ticket to being paroled in, because we cannot detain them without separating them (and we see what happened when it was tried). However, a large number of EWIs walk across with the aid of coyotes. It doesn’t take much extension of our physical barriers to make this MUCH more difficult ... kids just can’t make the long treks to get to where we don’t have a wall/fence. Simply making it more difficult will dissuade at least a portion of these people from making the attempt - because they know that if they don’t have the kid with them they are wasting their time and money.
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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Yeah CID, that's why the "smart technology" argument is misguided. Once they get one foot over the line, they're golden. Smart technology only identifies an incursion for a round-up that is too late.

I, too, agree that we need to beef up our barriers in sections. Obviously, the sheer cliff faces along the Rio Grande in Texas wouldn't need a wall. :lol:
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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Yet another Trump administration billionaire tells furloughed federal employees to "eat cake":

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/4267 ... nks-during
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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Time to bring back the guillotine.
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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93henfan wrote:
89Hen wrote: :shock:
Do you not ever read this board or something? Jesus. :lol: I hate Hillary Clinton.
:lol: But so do I and I didn't vote for Trump. Of course I live in a state where my vote doesn't count for any national office so I am a little more free to do with my vote what I want.
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CID1990 wrote:Anyone who knows anything about what happens AFTER an alien sets foot on US soil knows that preventing entries without inspection in the first place is an area where we need to be putting significant resources if we are truly serious about border security.
Chuck Schumer certainly knows. :nod:
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89Hen wrote:
93henfan wrote:
Do you not ever read this board or something? Jesus. :lol: I hate Hillary Clinton.
:lol: But so do I and I didn't vote for Trump. Of course I live in a state where my vote doesn't count for any national office so I am a little more free to do with my vote what I want.
My vote in deep blue Delaware is equally worthless. At least you have a Republican governor. We have a Democrat governor, both Democrat senators, Democrat representative, Democrat-majority state senate, and Democrat-majority state house. The Delaware state senate was the last to fall in November, and the gun bans will be coming this year. I don't think it'll be long before Delaware gets a sales tax either.
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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Ibanez wrote: I'm not against a barrier. Trump wants a wall to span to the entire border. At least that is what he has said and promised and then took back. So who the **** knows. ~650 miles of the ~1,950 border has a wall/fence of some kind. There are 48 crossings with about 300 PoE. Much of the border that isn't walled is a river. Should sections be repaired/updated? Sure. Should some sections with high traffic be beefed up? Yes. We know the high traffic areas and where there are sometimes TWO walls (which also happened to have tunnels underneath them to sneak into the US). But the wall is only 1 part and I don't think it's the most important part of the solution.

But I think you'd agree that a wall will not do the job alone. I defer to your expertise but I still don't believe a wall like Trump wants is the answer. :coffee:

On Fox News yesterday, the mayor of San Diego (R) was going on and on about the wall
I’ve said a physical barrier is a part of the total border picture - on this forum- numerous times. Until I was blue in the face

even when Trump was campaigning on the wall it was pretty much conventional wisdom that there were significant stretches of the border that don’t need a wall.

But there are also significant areas where people are simply walking in. I know this because I was processing these people on spousal visas- after they had been across the border, then got caught weeks or months later, and then got paroled in to the country due to the court backlog and lack of detention facilities, THEN got married, and then ten years later come back to their country of origin for their immigrant visa (with a past asylum claim... guess they were suddenly up afraid of El Salvador) and get granted a waiver of their ineligibilities by USCIS on account of their marriage to a USC.

Anyone who knows anything about what happens AFTER an alien sets foot on US soil knows that preventing entries without inspection in the first place is an area where we need to be putting significant resources if we are truly serious about border security.

One other thought on the matter - all of these people bring kids with them. Kids are a one way ticket to being paroled in, because we cannot detain them without separating them (and we see what happened when it was tried). However, a large number of EWIs walk across with the aid of coyotes. It doesn’t take much extension of our physical barriers to make this MUCH more difficult ... kids just can’t make the long treks to get to where we don’t have a wall/fence. Simply making it more difficult will dissuade at least a portion of these people from making the attempt - because they know that if they don’t have the kid with them they are wasting their time and money.
I know you have. I defer to your expertise.
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Re: How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

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93henfan wrote:
89Hen wrote: :lol: But so do I and I didn't vote for Trump. Of course I live in a state where my vote doesn't count for any national office so I am a little more free to do with my vote what I want.
My vote in deep blue Delaware is equally worthless. At least you have a Republican governor. We have a Democrat governor, both Democrat senators, Democrat representative, Democrat-majority state senate, and Democrat-majority state house. The Delaware state senate was the last to fall in November, and the gun bans will be coming this year. I don't think it'll be long before Delaware gets a sales tax either.
True, but at least some of your national office elections are kinda close. Carper only won 54-42. :kisswink:
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93henfan wrote:
My vote in deep blue Delaware is equally worthless. At least you have a Republican governor. We have a Democrat governor, both Democrat senators, Democrat representative, Democrat-majority state senate, and Democrat-majority state house. The Delaware state senate was the last to fall in November, and the gun bans will be coming this year. I don't think it'll be long before Delaware gets a sales tax either.
True, but at least some of your national office elections are kinda close. Carper only won 54-42. :kisswink:
That's because he fessed up to beating the shit out of his wife. Democrats don't like wife beaters much.
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89Hen wrote: True, but at least some of your national office elections are kinda close. Carper only won 54-42. :kisswink:
That's because he fessed up to beating the shit out of his wife. Democrats don't like wife beaters much.
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SDHornet wrote: :nod:
Perhaps rational people are angry because what Trump's doing is irrational. It's also super weird that you take pleasure in the anger of others.

Now here's the reality: the more insane Trump and the GOP behave, the more moderate and sensible people willing to consider other opinions and viewpoints leave the party. All you're left with is a dwindling pool of increasingly myopic and hard line voters.
Rational people wouldn't think a guy trying to fix problems that certain people have created the last 30 years is irrational.

Rational would be wow this guy has the balls to stand up to people trying to buy him.

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89Hen wrote:
93henfan wrote:
My vote in deep blue Delaware is equally worthless. At least you have a Republican governor. We have a Democrat governor, both Democrat senators, Democrat representative, Democrat-majority state senate, and Democrat-majority state house. The Delaware state senate was the last to fall in November, and the gun bans will be coming this year. I don't think it'll be long before Delaware gets a sales tax either.
True, but at least some of your national office elections are kinda close. Carper only won 54-42. :kisswink:
Carper just won 60-38 in November, by the way.
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Ibanez wrote:Maybe one of you can answer me this:

If the border wall is so necessary, then why didn't Trump get it down when he had control of both houses? Why couldn't he get it done then?
Because the GOP is a bunch of lying fuckeheads that wouldn't work with a guy they can't control

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∞∞∞ wrote: Perhaps rational people are angry because what Trump's doing is irrational. It's also super weird that you take pleasure in the anger of others.

Now here's the reality: the more insane Trump and the GOP behave, the more moderate and sensible people willing to consider other opinions and viewpoints leave the party. All you're left with is a dwindling pool of increasingly myopic and hard line voters.
Rational people wouldn't think a guy trying to fix problems that certain people have created the last 30 years is irrational.

Rational would be wow this guy has the balls to stand up to people trying to buy him.
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93henfan wrote:
89Hen wrote: :suspicious: I'm pretty sure 93 didn't vote for him the first time, so....
I did. Bad mistake. And I own it. In fact, I'm paying for it now.
Nope it's a teachable moment

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I did. Bad mistake. And I own it. In fact, I'm paying for it now.
Nope it's a teachable moment

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93henfan wrote:
89Hen wrote: True, but at least some of your national office elections are kinda close. Carper only won 54-42. :kisswink:
Carper just won 60-38 in November, by the way.
:lol: That's more like it!
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93henfan wrote: That's because he fessed up to beating the shit out of his wife. Democrats don't like wife beaters much.
They have no sense of humor. :ohno: :ohno:
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