How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

[Ibanez]

Trump starting to cave. He just released a statement that he'll take less than $5.7B. He said he now wants a "large downpayment" on a border fence.

what a pussy. he should cave.

[BDKJMU]

Trump starting to cave. He just released a statement that he'll take less than $5.7B. He said he now wants a "large downpayment" on a border fence.

So Trump shows he’s willing to compromise. So far Pelosi & Shumer haven’t shown that..

[BDKJMU]

Trump starting to cave. He just released a statement that he'll take less than $5.7B. He said he now wants a "large downpayment" on a border fence.

what a pussy. he should cave.

Why do you hate compromise?

[93henfan]

Trump starting to cave. He just released a statement that he'll take less than $5.7B. He said he now wants a "large downpayment" on a border fence.

So Trump shows he’s willing to compromise. So far Pelosi & Shumer haven’t shown that..

They both passed bills, along with McConnell, to fund the Government in December. Trump flip-flopped at the eleventh hour and refused to sign after saying he would.

Why would you negotiate with an extortionist and flip-flopper? That's unAmerican.

[JohnStOnge]

Trump starting to cave. He just released a statement that he'll take less than $5.7B. He said he now wants a "large downpayment" on a border fence.

So Trump shows he’s willing to compromise. So far Pelosi & Shumer haven’t shown that..

Again: Trump employed an extortion tactic. That put Democrats in the position of needing to insist upon him dropping the extortion prior to negotiation. If they didn't do that he'd do it again. I know I've said that several times but that's because it's true. They could not allow a precedent whereby he readily got his way by using a tactic like that. At the very least they need to make him suffer some damage by doing that and I think they've done that. The Dems saying they were not going to negotiate until the government is funded was perfectly reasonable.

[JohnStOnge]

LOL! Just watched Trump talking to the press. He said the reason the Democrat bill got more votes in the Senate than his proposal did is that the Democrat bill had funds for disaster relief.

The guy just can't take the fact that House Democrat proposal got more votes than his proposal did in the Republican controlled Senate. And, no, it wasn't because it has disaster relief in it. It's because people want to end the partial shutdown. Really he's probably got a lot more Republicans wanting to flip.

[JohnStOnge]

Surprised that R's Cotton (AR) and Lee (UT) voted against.

Trump's proposal wasn't right wing enough for them.

[∞∞∞]

Trump starting to cave. He just released a statement that he'll take less than $5.7B. He said he now wants a "large downpayment" on a border fence.

So Trump shows he’s willing to compromise. So far Pelosi & Shumer haven’t shown that..

Is he going to hold livelihoods hostage every time he wants something?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

So Trump shows he’s willing to compromise. So far Pelosi & Shumer haven’t shown that..

Is he going to hold livelihoods hostage every time he wants something?

I hope so, it's sad he won't hold firm and get what what we need. Instead of the country getting fucked by the left like we are every day

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[CID1990]

I’ve said a physical barrier is a part of the total border picture - on this forum- numerous times. Until I was blue in the face

even when Trump was campaigning on the wall it was pretty much conventional wisdom that there were significant stretches of the border that don’t need a wall.

But there are also significant areas where people are simply walking in. I know this because I was processing these people on spousal visas- after they had been across the border, then got caught weeks or months later, and then got paroled in to the country due to the court backlog and lack of detention facilities, THEN got married, and then ten years later come back to their country of origin for their immigrant visa (with a past asylum claim... guess they were suddenly up afraid of El Salvador) and get granted a waiver of their ineligibilities by USCIS on account of their marriage to a USC.

Anyone who knows anything about what happens AFTER an alien sets foot on US soil knows that preventing entries without inspection in the first place is an area where we need to be putting significant resources if we are truly serious about border security.

One other thought on the matter - all of these people bring kids with them. Kids are a one way ticket to being paroled in, because we cannot detain them without separating them (and we see what happened when it was tried). However, a large number of EWIs walk across with the aid of coyotes. It doesn’t take much extension of our physical barriers to make this MUCH more difficult ... kids just can’t make the long treks to get to where we don’t have a wall/fence. Simply making it more difficult will dissuade at least a portion of these people from making the attempt - because they know that if they don’t have the kid with them they are wasting their time and money.

I know you have. I defer to your expertise.

I’m not an expert on border security - I’m closer to it on immigration law and its associated processes

The idea that given our laws and processes reward people for successfully making it in to the country, makes actual entry prevention a common sense matter


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[Gil Dobie]

I know you have. I defer to your expertise.

I’m not an expert on border security - I’m closer to it on immigration law and its associated processes

The idea that given our laws and processes reward people for successfully making it in to the country, makes actual entry prevention a common sense matter


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........and it's not like they are trying to prevent people from coming into the USA, they are trying to prevent people from coming into the USA illegally.

[AZGrizFan]

I know you have. I defer to your expertise.

I’m not an expert on border security - I’m closer to it on immigration law and its associated processes

The idea that given our laws and processes reward people for successfully making it in to the country, makes actual entry prevention a common sense matter


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Unless you’re a democrat. Then there’s no problem. Or common sense.

[AZGrizFan]

Trump starting to cave. He just released a statement that he'll take less than $5.7B. He said he now wants a "large downpayment" on a border fence.

what a pussy. he should cave.

And y’all wonder why he wouldn’t move off his number. As SOON as he does, he’s not viewed as a compromiser, he’s viewed as having “caved”.

[Grizalltheway]

what a pussy. he should cave.

And y’all wonder why he wouldn’t move off his number. As SOON as he does, he’s not viewed as a compromiser, he’s viewed as having “caved”.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[BDKJMU]

So Trump shows he’s willing to compromise. So far Pelosi & Shumer haven’t shown that..

They both passed bills, along with McConnell, to fund the Government in December. Trump flip-flopped at the eleventh hour and refused to sign after saying he would.

Why would you negotiate with an extortionist and flip-flopper? That's unAmerican.

So Pelosi/Sumer shouldn’t compromise, and Trump should be a pussy and cave. Got it.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I pray Trump backs out of the deal and forces the lefts hand. He can still do the right thing and veto the deal.

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[Ibanez]

what a pussy. he should cave.

And y’all wonder why he wouldn’t move off his number. As SOON as he does, he’s not viewed as a compromiser, he’s viewed as having “caved”.

He isn’t a compromiser. He proved that when he failed to do it when given multiple opportunities.


Nobody in our government really is.


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[93henfan]

They both passed bills, along with McConnell, to fund the Government in December. Trump flip-flopped at the eleventh hour and refused to sign after saying he would.

Why would you negotiate with an extortionist and flip-flopper? That's unAmerican.

So Pelosi/Sumer shouldn’t compromise, and Trump should be a pussy and cave. Got it.

You don't compromise with a flip-flopping extortionist, because that tells him it might work once or again.

Reopen the Government first, let the hostages free, and then negotiate. That's common sense, and the American people agree, as evidenced by Trump's plummetting poll numbers since the end of December.

You cant ever let a petulant child throw a fit and reward them for it. Momma Nancy has her pimp hand cocked and ready.

[css75]

NO, haven't you heard. Those people are happy to be working for free and living with uncertainty.

Donald Trump has never met a slave that he didn’t like.

You are an ignorant racist ass.


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[mainejeff]

what a pussy. he should cave.

And y’all wonder why he wouldn’t move off his number. As SOON as he does, he’s not viewed as a compromiser, he’s viewed as having “caved”.

His 30% will never forgive him!

[mainejeff]

Is he going to hold livelihoods hostage every time he wants something?

I hope so, it's sad he won't hold firm and get what what we need. Instead of the country getting fucked by the left like we are every day

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We're coming for your guns next mother fucker!

[mainejeff]

Donald Trump has never met a slave that he didn’t like.

You are an ignorant racist ass.


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You aren't even worth my breath.

[BDKJMU]

So Pelosi/Sumer shouldn’t compromise, and Trump should be a pussy and cave. Got it.

You don't compromise with a flip-flopping extortionist, because that tells him it might work once or again.

Reopen the Government first, let the hostages free, and then negotiate. That's common sense, and the American people agree, as evidenced by Trump's plummetting poll numbers since the end of December.

You cant ever let a petulant child throw a fit and reward them for it. Momma Nancy has her pimp hand cocked and ready.

No, that would be sheer stupidity. If you think by doing that he would get any concessions from the donks, or get any $$ for a physical barrier, you must be smoking something. He would have no leverage, get nothing for his #1 campaign promise, be seen as a caver, and have zero chance of being re elected.

[JohnStOnge]

I pray Trump backs out of the deal and forces the lefts hand. He can still do the right thing and veto the deal.

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I think that if this goes on much longer a point could come where Republicans in the Senate will turn on him and tell him they are going to over ride if he vetoes. I think they'd talk to him first. They'd try to avoid publicly embarrassing him. But the Republican Party is getting killed right now and they know it. I suspect a lot of them are really pissed off at him for what he is doing.

[93henfan]

You don't compromise with a flip-flopping extortionist, because that tells him it might work once or again.

Reopen the Government first, let the hostages free, and then negotiate. That's common sense, and the American people agree, as evidenced by Trump's plummetting poll numbers since the end of December.

You cant ever let a petulant child throw a fit and reward them for it. Momma Nancy has her pimp hand cocked and ready.

No, that would be sheer stupidity. If you think by doing that he would get any concessions from the donks, or get any $$ for a physical barrier, you must be smoking something. He would have no leverage, get nothing for his #1 campaign promise, be seen as a caver, and have zero chance of being re elected.

So, continue the extortion. Noted.