You're missing the point. It's Grant and Lee negotiating terms of surrender at Appomattox after Lee got his ass handed to him.CID1990 wrote:Missing the point, as usual.Skjellyfetti wrote:It's negotiating from a position of strength after your opponent shat his pants the last time.
"No wall, no discussion."
That means, "no negotiation"
Surely even someone with his knickers in a constant wad over semantics should get that.
During the month-long partial government shutdown, the press reported extensively on the financial hardships being felt by many furloughed government workers. While the media may have pointed these out to impact President Donald Trump’s approval rating, the reporting highlighted a much larger issue facing our nation.
Government has a spending addiction, and the people who foot the bill have a savings crisis.
The numbers are truly shocking. The bottom 20 percent of Americans by income have no savings, according to a Bankrate report last year. The next lowest 20 percent have an average of just $26,450 in the bank.
According to a CareerBuilder study, nearly 80 percent of American workers say they are living paycheck to paycheck, including 75 percent of men and 80 percent of women.
In 2017, the Federal Reserve Board reported that 44 percent of American households surveyed could not cover a $400 emergency expense.
Among millennials, 20 percent expect to never pay off their debt, according to a CreditCards.com report.
As the cost of government and the cost of living continue to rise – often fueled by taxes and regulations – Americans are struggling just to pay for basic necessities.
As of 2017, federal civilian workers had an average salary of $90,794, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. The average wage for the nation’s 116 million private sector workers trailed markedly behind at $61,311.
Of course. I understand that. The spin and hypocrisy of both sides is sometimes so obvious.GannonFan wrote:It's a party Twitter account. Show me the political party that tweets damning stuff about a President, in office, from their own party, and I'll be shocked. Just doesn't happen.Ibanez wrote:
Talk about fake news and alternative facts. I'm pretty sure it was the LACK of POTUS' leadership and his pettiness that held the government hostage for weeks.
The Democrat were(are) just as stuck in their ways as Trump.JohnStOnge wrote:Oh c'mon BDK. The Democrat position holding that they were not going to negotiate as long as Trump was using an extortion tactic was totally reasonable. Now that the hostages have been released we'll see if they are willing to compromise on some things.BDKJMU wrote: It was also the donks refusal to compromise. It takes 2 to tango.
For every FoxNews post that (SURPRISE) says Federal employees make more money, you can find a hundred others that say they don't. So beware the source.AZGrizFan wrote:As of 2017, federal civilian workers had an average salary of $90,794, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. The average wage for the nation’s 116 million private sector workers trailed markedly behind at $61,311.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... p-reports/Federal employee salaries on average lag behind those of the private sector by almost 31 percent, an advisory council said Tuesday...
Those figures, based on two Labor Department surveys covering some 250 occupations, stand in contrast to assessments of some conservative and libertarian organizations that have concluded that the advantage is about the same or even greater in favor of federal employees.
Not according to Dback.Ibanez wrote:The spin and hypocrisy of both sides is sometimes so obvious.
Anecdotally, none of my federal friends make as much as their comparable counterparts in the private sector, and it's not even that close.93henfan wrote:For every FoxNews post that (SURPRISE) says Federal employees make more money, you can find a hundred others that say they don't. So beware the source.AZGrizFan wrote:As of 2017, federal civilian workers had an average salary of $90,794, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. The average wage for the nation’s 116 million private sector workers trailed markedly behind at $61,311.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... p-reports/Federal employee salaries on average lag behind those of the private sector by almost 31 percent, an advisory council said Tuesday...
Those figures, based on two Labor Department surveys covering some 250 occupations, stand in contrast to assessments of some conservative and libertarian organizations that have concluded that the advantage is about the same or even greater in favor of federal employees.
Well then, it's settled.89Hen wrote:Not according to Dback.Ibanez wrote:The spin and hypocrisy of both sides is sometimes so obvious.
I think Fox presents that particular piece of data incorrectly. Because if they're comparing like-like jobs, government vs civilian, they aren't saying so. And that's what they SHOULD be doing...93henfan wrote:For every FoxNews post that (SURPRISE) says Federal employees make more money, you can find a hundred others that say they don't. So beware the source.AZGrizFan wrote:As of 2017, federal civilian workers had an average salary of $90,794, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. The average wage for the nation’s 116 million private sector workers trailed markedly behind at $61,311.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... p-reports/Federal employee salaries on average lag behind those of the private sector by almost 31 percent, an advisory council said Tuesday...
Those figures, based on two Labor Department surveys covering some 250 occupations, stand in contrast to assessments of some conservative and libertarian organizations that have concluded that the advantage is about the same or even greater in favor of federal employees.
Higher salaries but how much do they contribute to their benefits and how well do those benefits compare? There are pros and cons to both types of employment.93henfan wrote:The thing is, the average federal civilian salary is the average of a primarily white collar workforce. The figure given for the private sector includes maids, waitresses, and ditch diggers. Those jobs are contracted out by Government. When you compare white collar to white collar, the private sector has higher salaries.
‘Average incomes’ are skewed higher for the civilian workforce because of the wealthy. I think median for individual (or family/household for that matter) is a better metric than avg income.AZGrizFan wrote:As of 2017, federal civilian workers had an average salary of $90,794, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. The average wage for the nation’s 116 million private sector workers trailed markedly behind at $61,311.
everybody who matters, except Ann.CID1990 wrote:That word “everybody” doesnt mean what you think it meanshoundawg wrote:
Unnecessary bullshit; 15 yards, loss of down
They had a compromise that everybody agreed to except Ann Coulter.
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The pay for federal employees when I was working were always higher the closer you were located to DC. there were a few exceptions like San Fransisco, Hawaii, and other expensive areas.93henfan wrote:For every FoxNews post that (SURPRISE) says Federal employees make more money, you can find a hundred others that say they don't. So beware the source.AZGrizFan wrote:As of 2017, federal civilian workers had an average salary of $90,794, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. The average wage for the nation’s 116 million private sector workers trailed markedly behind at $61,311.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... p-reports/Federal employee salaries on average lag behind those of the private sector by almost 31 percent, an advisory council said Tuesday...
Those figures, based on two Labor Department surveys covering some 250 occupations, stand in contrast to assessments of some conservative and libertarian organizations that have concluded that the advantage is about the same or even greater in favor of federal employees.
Perhaps you need to go back and read JSO's post that I was responding to.Skjellyfetti wrote:You're missing the point. It's Grant and Lee negotiating terms of surrender at Appomattox after Lee got his ass handed to him.CID1990 wrote:
Missing the point, as usual.
"No wall, no discussion."
That means, "no negotiation"
Surely even someone with his knickers in a constant wad over semantics should get that.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4118 ... hood-issueHouse Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Tuesday said President Trump's desire for a wall along the U.S-Mexico border is a "manhood issue," adding that she will oppose the wall and isn't interested in negotiating.
McConnell can start negotiations anytime.CID1990 wrote:Missing the point, as usual.Skjellyfetti wrote:It's negotiating from a position of strength after your opponent shat his pants the last time.
"No wall, no discussion."
That means, "no negotiation"
Surely even someone with his knickers in a constant wad over semantics should get that.
That's called a "bluff" when the opposition controls all branches of the government. A deal-maker like the Donald should have been all over that.CID1990 wrote:Perhaps you need to go back and read JSO's post that I was responding to.Skjellyfetti wrote:
You're missing the point. It's Grant and Lee negotiating terms of surrender at Appomattox after Lee got his ass handed to him.
Nancy Pelosi said "No wall, no discussion" prior to the shutdown, WAY back in October.
That isn't a negotiation at all, that's an ultimatum.. .just like, "I'll shut down the government if I don't get the wall."
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4118 ... hood-issueHouse Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Tuesday said President Trump's desire for a wall along the U.S-Mexico border is a "manhood issue," adding that she will oppose the wall and isn't interested in negotiating.
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Lol...CID1990 wrote:Perhaps you need to go back and read JSO's post that I was responding to.Skjellyfetti wrote:
You're missing the point. It's Grant and Lee negotiating terms of surrender at Appomattox after Lee got his ass handed to him.
Nancy Pelosi said "No wall, no discussion" prior to the shutdown, WAY back in October.
That isn't a negotiation at all, that's an ultimatum.. .just like, "I'll shut down the government if I don't get the wall."
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4118 ... hood-issueHouse Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Tuesday said President Trump's desire for a wall along the U.S-Mexico border is a "manhood issue," adding that she will oppose the wall and isn't interested in negotiating.
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That’s quite a punt. I never said Trump wasn’t to blame∞∞∞ wrote:Did the shutdown start with a Democratic House majority? No.
And what did Trump think would happen when Dems took over? The House has a mandate from the People to reign him in; reps weren't gonna go in there and say, "Here's your wall bestie!"
As far as I'm concerned, the man had two years to get a wall. Blame's purely on Trump.
Still is. Why do you think I commute five hours a day? Grade inflation in DC is real. It's not so much the locality. Hell, Delaware was realigned to the Philadelphia pay table in the mid-200X's, so grade for grade, the salaries are close. It's the grade inflation in DC that makes the difference.css75 wrote:
The pay for federal employees when I was working were always higher the closer you were located to DC. there were a few exceptions like San Fransisco, Hawaii, and other expensive areas.
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One must remember Dems controlled the Senate with McCain and Flake.Skjellyfetti wrote:Lol...CID1990 wrote:
Perhaps you need to go back and read JSO's post that I was responding to.
Nancy Pelosi said "No wall, no discussion" prior to the shutdown, WAY back in October.
That isn't a negotiation at all, that's an ultimatum.. .just like, "I'll shut down the government if I don't get the wall."
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4118 ... hood-issue
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"Way back in October" is right....
Democrats hadn't won the midterm, much less taken control of the House. Nancy had no position to negotiate.
If Trump and the Senate wanted the wall, Nancy and the House Democrats couldn't have done anything to stop it.
Should have declared an emergency.css75 wrote:One must remember Dems controlled the Senate with McCain and Flake.
What a stupid statement. Why is blind loyalty a requirement?css75 wrote:One must remember Dems controlled the Senate with McCain and Flake.Skjellyfetti wrote:
Lol...
"Way back in October" is right....
Democrats hadn't won the midterm, much less taken control of the House. Nancy had no position to negotiate.
If Trump and the Senate wanted the wall, Nancy and the House Democrats couldn't have done anything to stop it.
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