The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

[JohnStOnge]

It's not even that most economists predicted it...

...it's that history itself shows this is true. Every. Single. Time.

And yet tomorrow we'll have Cons tell us that slashing taxes for corporations and the wealthy will super-boost the economy for the average Joe. And your average Joe will - once again - fall for it.

Its true - tax cuts will always increase the deficit without concurrent spending cuts. You are correct that history shows this to be true every time.

Its too bad this is the only ideological item where you aren’t ignoring history.


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One sad thing is that people say Reagan did his tax cuts based on saying we could have our cake and eat it to. I don't think he ever did that. Reagan said we needed to cut government. He wanted to cut governments "allowance." Unfortunately he was never successful in doing that.

But I was an alive adult at the time who voted for Reagan both times and I don't think he ever claimed that we could cut taxes and get MORE revenue than we would have so we could keep right on spending at the same level or even at a greater one.

To me there are valid reasons, mostly philosophical ones, for cutting taxes dramatically. But the idea that it's going to mean more revenue than we would have had otherwise is not one of them.

I mean, I think there is a point at which taxes could be so high that cutting them would increase revenue over what it would've been. But I don't think we've been anywhere near that point in my lifetime.

[SDHornet]

Sounds like the chinks are going to buy 5M tons of soybeans. Something something we can't win a trade war against China something something.

[JohnStOnge]

Sounds like the chinks are going to buy 5M tons of soybeans. Something something we can't win a trade war against China something something.

Because Trump said so? We'll see what happens. And, no, the US cannot win a trade war with China.

BTW, Trump said China is going to purchase 5 million pounds per day. China purchased 23 million pounds during 2018. If they purchase 5 million pounds per day for a year that'd be 1.8 BILLION pounds. It'd be about 79 times what they purchased during 2018.

Do you think that's going to happen?

For Pete's sake, man, when are you going to realize that you can't believe what Trump says?

[AZGrizFan]

It's not even that most economists predicted it...

...it's that history itself shows this is true. Every. Single. Time.

And yet tomorrow we'll have Cons tell us that slashing taxes for corporations and the wealthy will super-boost the economy for the average Joe. And your average Joe will - once again - fall for it.

Its true - tax cuts will always increase the deficit without concurrent spending cuts. You are correct that history shows this to be true every time.

Its too bad this is the only ideological item where you aren’t ignoring history.


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Good God no shit. Kind of like science....it’s settled on climate change, but NOT on childbirth.

[AZGrizFan]

It's not even that most economists predicted it...

...it's that history itself shows this is true. Every. Single. Time.

And yet tomorrow we'll have Cons tell us that slashing taxes for corporations and the wealthy will super-boost the economy for the average Joe. And your average Joe will - once again - fall for it.

My favorite one is the one about "all the mega corps" will leave if we actually make them pay any taxes at all...
while leaving every tax loophole wide open simultaneously



and if we tax rich folks they'll all move away too...
Which of course has never happened



Meanwhile in other news not reported by Fox News:
This is the 10th consecutive republican in office to outspend his Democratic predecessor
and yet we're told they are the Party of smaller government...

I would love to see the same comparison absent defense spending.

[mainejeff]

My favorite one is the one about "all the mega corps" will leave if we actually make them pay any taxes at all...
while leaving every tax loophole wide open simultaneously



and if we tax rich folks they'll all move away too...
Which of course has never happened



Meanwhile in other news not reported by Fox News:
This is the 10th consecutive republican in office to outspend his Democratic predecessor
and yet we're told they are the Party of smaller government...

I would love to see the same comparison absent defense spending.

Yes....everything should have an asterisk (*) including this Presidency.

[Ivytalk]

[quote="JohnStOnge”]To me there are valid reasons, mostly philosophical ones, for cutting taxes dramatically. [/quote]

You lie!

See my siggy.

[CAA Flagship]

Another strong jobs number released this morning. #TrumpTrain

We are in the midst of a once in a decade opportunity for people to make lateral and upward moves in their careers. The grass isn't always greener but the opportunity is there to get out of undesired situations.
Trip already made a move recently.
ASUG8, it's now or never.
clenzy, not sure what your current situation is. Still educating yourself?
SDH and Ibanez, I think your most recent moves have been satisfying. Probably no need to make a move?
Not sure about the rest of you. What say you?

[93henfan]

You don't see me agreeing with Trip that often but, if someone wants to fight then let them. I wish I was fit for duty when I tried to join in 2001.

Break it down and you all are worried about unit disruption. That's a valid concern.


Although, the same fear existed when blacks and women were allowed in. They did disrupt the unit. The unit got over it.

Don’t tell me what I’m “worried about”. You weren’t fit in 2001? Why not? For one of the MANY reasons that individuals are determined to be not fit for duty....Transgenders need long and expensive hormone treatments and surgeries...there’s TONS of examples of people being not considered fit for duty who needed long and expensive medical treatments. It’s about DEPLOYABILITY. Period. End of story.

From a CNN article:

In Pennsylvania, the Philadelphia Center for Transgender Surgery posts cost estimates for different procedures. Its price list mentions estimates of $140,450 to transition from male to female, and $124,400 to transition from female to male. This list, unlike many others, includes potential costs for things such as anesthesia, hospital stay and each of the potential surgeries that someone transitioning from one gender to the other may want or require. These numbers are based on one surgery center though, and will change depending on factors such as insurance, the hospital that is attended or if someone is using a different surgery center altogether.

Sorry, I'm way behind on this thread.

Z fucking nailed it here.

The military, particularly the forward deployed units that fight, has a mission that necessitates an certain level of fitness for duty. Probably 90% of men in this country, 99.99% of women, and 100% of people confused about their very being, should not be on the front line with a gun in their hands, responsible for the lives of human beings.

[Winterborn]

Another strong jobs number released this morning. #TrumpTrain

We are in the midst of a once in a decade opportunity for people to make lateral and upward moves in their careers. The grass isn't always greener but the opportunity is there to get out of undesired situations.
Trip already made a move recently.
ASUG8, it's now or never.
clenzy, not sure what your current situation is. Still educating yourself?
SDH and Ibanez, I think your most recent moves have been satisfying. Probably no need to make a move?
Not sure about the rest of you. What say you?

I made one a couple of years ago and am positioned nicely (I hope ) for another jump here probably next year. Will have to see how things shake out, otherwise I have other opportunies outside of the current company I work for.

That said, I fully agree with what you stated above. Promotions/opportunities will not be just given to you, you have to want it and no time like the present in this workers market.

[93henfan]

Fake news!

What would you like to wager that he wasn't attacked at all, and when he finally confesses, the media and everyone else would give his racism a pass?

Because you know if a white guy had done that, he'd have to change his name and flee the country.

I heard that he said he was on the phone with a particular person at the time of the attack. So the police asked him for his phone to verify the truth of that, but he won't relinquish his phone.

This story is QUICKLY coming apart. I hope Chicago bills his faggot ass for the cost of the investigation.

[Pwns]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics ... index.html

Putin's puppet, huh?

[Ivytalk]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics ... index.html

Putin's puppet, huh?

The Cold War is back, muthafuckas!

[Ibanez]

Another strong jobs number released this morning. #TrumpTrain

We are in the midst of a once in a decade opportunity for people to make lateral and upward moves in their careers. The grass isn't always greener but the opportunity is there to get out of undesired situations.
Trip already made a move recently.
ASUG8, it's now or never.
clenzy, not sure what your current situation is. Still educating yourself?
SDH and Ibanez, I think your most recent moves have been satisfying. Probably no need to make a move?
Not sure about the rest of you. What say you?

I have no plans to make a move in the next 4-5 years. I'm comfortable where I am. I know what's expected of me, I work with a great team and although I have a lot of responsibility, the path ahead of me is fairly clear. The bank takes great care of us and I couldn't be happier.

I have some credentials/certifications I want to earn before I think about jumping ship. It's common for people to go to another bank, for 10%-20% raise, then return to the bank for another 10%-20% raise. I've known quite a few people that have done that. It's a bold/risky move that you have to be damn sure will work.

[Ibanez]

Another strong jobs number released this morning. #TrumpTrain

We are in the midst of a once in a decade opportunity for people to make lateral and upward moves in their careers. The grass isn't always greener but the opportunity is there to get out of undesired situations.
Trip already made a move recently.
ASUG8, it's now or never.
clenzy, not sure what your current situation is. Still educating yourself?
SDH and Ibanez, I think your most recent moves have been satisfying. Probably no need to make a move?
Not sure about the rest of you. What say you?

I made one a couple of years ago and am positioned nicely (I hope ) for another jump here probably next year. Will have to see how things shake out, otherwise I have other opportunies outside of the current company I work for.

That said, I fully agree with what you stated above. Promotions/opportunities will not be just given to you, you have to want it and no time like the present in this workers market.

You really have to be the squeaky wheel. I learned that too late.

[Winterborn]

You really have to be the squeaky wheel. I learned that too late.

As did I. Something I wish I had been told in college. But that is assuming I would of remembered it when I actually got a job.

[kalm]

Another strong jobs number released this morning. #TrumpTrain

We are in the midst of a once in a decade opportunity for people to make lateral and upward moves in their careers. The grass isn't always greener but the opportunity is there to get out of undesired situations.
Trip already made a move recently.
ASUG8, it's now or never.
clenzy, not sure what your current situation is. Still educating yourself?
SDH and Ibanez, I think your most recent moves have been satisfying. Probably no need to make a move?
Not sure about the rest of you. What say you?

I’m still trying my hardest to retire after 30 years at the same place.

Looking forward to a 2nd career of being a course marshall and irrigation tech (IE ditchdigger) Either that or I’m opening up a fly fishing and hunting retreat and do some guiding.

[Ivytalk]

Another strong jobs number released this morning. #TrumpTrain

We are in the midst of a once in a decade opportunity for people to make lateral and upward moves in their careers. The grass isn't always greener but the opportunity is there to get out of undesired situations.
Trip already made a move recently.
ASUG8, it's now or never.
clenzy, not sure what your current situation is. Still educating yourself?
SDH and Ibanez, I think your most recent moves have been satisfying. Probably no need to make a move?
Not sure about the rest of you. What say you?

I’m still trying my hardest to retire after 30 years at the same place.

Looking forward to a 2nd career of being a course marshall and irrigation tech (IE ditchdigger) Either that or I’m opening up a fly fishing and hunting retreat and do some guiding.

I’ll start my second career in community mediation after I get my master’s in May. Imagine that: helping to settle disputes instead of fomenting them!

Except around here.

[HI54UNI]

Another strong jobs number released this morning. #TrumpTrain

We are in the midst of a once in a decade opportunity for people to make lateral and upward moves in their careers. The grass isn't always greener but the opportunity is there to get out of undesired situations.
Trip already made a move recently.
ASUG8, it's now or never.
clenzy, not sure what your current situation is. Still educating yourself?
SDH and Ibanez, I think your most recent moves have been satisfying. Probably no need to make a move?
Not sure about the rest of you. What say you?

My industry is screaming for experienced management and wages are going up faster than inflation. I received a good raise this year plus a promise to go through a formal study on where I should be at in terms of salary which should get me another good bump next year. I really don't want to make a move right now as HI5.5.1 is a senior and HI5.5.2 is a sophomore. Once we get through 2 more years the situation will change a lot. Already have my eye on another job where the incumbent will be retiring in the next 3 years.

[HI54UNI]

I’m still trying my hardest to retire after 30 years at the same place.

Looking forward to a 2nd career of being a course marshall and irrigation tech (IE ditchdigger) Either that or I’m opening up a fly fishing and hunting retreat and do some guiding.

I’ll start my second career in community mediation after I get my master’s in May. Imagine that: helping to settle disputes instead of fomenting them!

Except around here.

I had a small town lawyer friend tell me this once - if you're the only lawyer in town you'll starve, if there's two you'll do OK, and if there's 3 or more you'll get rich. There were more than 3 and now he's retired living on a lake. Must be true!

[AZGrizFan]

I would love to see the same comparison absent defense spending.

Yes....everything should have an asterisk (*) including this Presidency.

It has nothing to do with an asterisk. It has everything to do with donks cutting the military and conks building it back up through increased spending. It's the circle of life... And I'm not saying either one is right or wrong (although I've personally been an advocate here of a smaller military that doesn't include a role as 'world police')...but those two mindsets are diametrically opposed...so I'd love to see a comparison of spending that does NOT include military spending/increases...to see if "government growth" also includes the rest of government or just/typically excess military spending...

It's not a fucking conspiracy, Jeff. Just a question...

[css75]

Utah has the strongest economy in the country, businesses are having trouble finding employees.


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[CAA Flagship]

Utah has the strongest economy in the country, businesses are having trouble finding employees.


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No. I went to a Taco Bell the other day at 11:45 am in Missouri and the interior was closed. Only the Drive-Thru was open because they didn't have enough staff. This is tragic.

[JohnStOnge]

Another strong jobs number released this morning. #TrumpTrain

I think it'll be strong as it's been many times over the past 10 years once it is adjusted but I wonder why they even release these initial estimates at the end of the month. Like for instance at the same time they released the January initial estimate they indicated that they were correcting the initial December estimate downward by 90,000 from 312,000 to 222,000. That's by 29%. That's a big difference.

Seriously, when there is that much error potentially associated with the initial estimate why do they even release it? Just wait a month and provide the final estimate to start with.

[CAA Flagship]

Another strong jobs number released this morning. #TrumpTrain

I think it'll be strong as it's been many times over the past 10 years once it is adjusted but I wonder why they even release these initial estimates at the end of the month. Like for instance at the same time they released the January initial estimate they indicated that they were correcting the initial December estimate downward by 90,000 from 312,000 to 222,000. That's by 29%. That's a big difference.

Seriously, when there is that much error potentially associated with the initial estimate why do they even release it? Just wait a month and provide the final estimate to start with.

Yes. It is dumb. The error from December was a result of low participation of data input.
It's not uncommon for a second revision two months after the first read.