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Ibanez wrote:
mainejeff wrote:
Actually CNN listed all of the national Emergencies declared by past Presidents. And you are wrong about Clinton....he declared 9. Dubya Bush declared 13. Trump has already declared 3....soon to be 4.

Here's the list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... ted_States
:lol: Even Wikipedia says that list is incomplete
I don't remember it, but there must have been a huge controversy over Clinton's. I mean the power grab and use of spending alone were appalling. Gawdamnn libs.....
Current Clinton November 14, 1994[35] Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction[36] (Executive Order 12938)[37] – Provides for control over the export of weapons;[35] combined two previous national emergencies regarding WMDs.[4]
Current Clinton January 23, 1995[38] Prohibiting Transactions With Terrorists Who Threaten To Disrupt the Middle East Peace Process (Executive Order 12947) – Imposed economic sanctions on Specially Designated Terrorists, including the ANO, Hezbollah, the DFLP, Hamas, and the PFLP.[38]
Current Clinton March 15, 1995[39] Prohibiting Certain Transactions with Respect to the Development of Iranian Petroleum Resources[4] (Executive Order 12957)[39] – Intended to prevent a business deal between Iran and Conoco.[40]
Current Clinton October 21, 1995[4] Blocking Assets and Prohibiting Transactions with Significant Narcotics Traffickers (Executive Order 12978)[41] – Declared in response to Colombian drug cartels using American companies to launder money.[4]
Current Clinton March 1, 1996[4] Declaration of a National Emergency and Invocation of Emergency Authority Relating to the Regulation of the Anchorage and Movement of Vessels (Proclamation 6867)[42] – Implemented following the destruction of two civilian aircraft by the Cuban military on 24 February 1996.[43]
Current Clinton November 3, 1997[4] Blocking Sudanese Government Property and Prohibiting Transactions With Sudan[44] (Executive Order 13067)[44] – Established a trade embargo against Sudan, specifically targeting the Sudanese government.[45]
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Trump making a great argument for more gun control right now.....live!
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watching this speech...

Are we going to start killing drug dealers? WTF is he talking about?
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My god.....what a rambling fucked up mess.
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Ibanez wrote:watching this speech...

Are we going to start killing drug dealers? WTF is he talking about?

Hopefully, our military should be on the border keeping Americans safe and protecting our sovereignty. :clap:

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Trump pulling an AlphaGriz right now......
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Just making sure you were clear in applying it to Trump. :thumb:

And, abuse of power is an impeachable offense. You think he should be impeached?

Glad I meet with your approval I was beginning to doubt my goddamn existence

I don’t think he should be impeached - abuse of power is a matter of degrees and it isn’t a statute. Every President has committed what I would consider an abuse of their power to varying degrees since the founding - I don’t consider any of them to have been worthy of impeachment

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mainejeff wrote:Trump pulling an AlphaGriz right now......

Common sense evades you but the rest of America gets it, thank god they did before it was too late.
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mainejeff wrote:
Baldy wrote: jeff, crack open a book and take a civics lesson. You are woefully uninformed on this issue. :nod:
The needle is moving....and we have Donald J. Trump to thank for that. :nod:

The Constitution won't mean shit in another decade.... :kisswink:

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You and your ilk certainly hope so, but you need to remember one thing...the people who believe in the Constitution are the ones who are armed. :nod:
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Ibanez wrote: I'd be willing to bet most of them were for sanctions, disaster relief, barring the US from importing illegal items or working with a foreign company. Things like that and not a construction project. It's not meant to circumnavigate the appropriation duties of Congress when you don't get your way.
Most "small government" folks are the ones who cheer on authoritarianism and more of this bullshit.
You spelled "progressive statists" wrong.
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Baldy wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: Most "small government" folks are the ones who cheer on authoritarianism and more of this bullshit.
You spelled "progressive statists" wrong.
That's funny, I could swear it's a "republican" that just announced he's going to take from the DOD billions of dollars in addition the land from private landowners. Funny - I thought Congress had the power of the purse.
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Ibanez wrote:
Baldy wrote: You spelled "progressive statists" wrong.
That's funny, I could swear it's a "republican" that just announced he's going to take from the DOD billions of dollars in addition the land from private landowners. Funny - I thought Congress had the power of the purse.
*republican*

No, it's Trump. If it's Trump, it's kabuki.

Get back to me when this gets to SCOTUS. :coffee:
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Ibanez wrote:
Baldy wrote: You spelled "progressive statists" wrong.
That's funny, I could swear it's a "republican" that just announced he's going to take from the DOD billions of dollars in addition the land from private landowners. Funny - I thought Congress had the power of the purse.
They like small government. So small that they only follow one person.
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:watching this speech...

Are we going to start killing drug dealers? WTF is he talking about?

Hopefully, our military should be on the border keeping Americans safe and protecting our sovereignty. :clap:

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...they've been on borders for the last 20 years. :coffee:
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Ibanez wrote:
Baldy wrote: You spelled "progressive statists" wrong.
That's funny, I could swear it's a "republican" that just announced he's going to take from the DOD billions of dollars in addition the land from private landowners. Funny - I thought Congress had the power of the purse.
Jade Helm was just a practice run.....
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Baldy wrote:
mainejeff wrote:
The needle is moving....and we have Donald J. Trump to thank for that. :nod:

The Constitution won't mean shit in another decade.... :kisswink:

:coffee:
You and your ilk certainly hope so, but you need to remember one thing...the people who believe in the Constitution are the ones who are armed. :nod:
Yes, we are. :nod: :nod: :nod:

Thank-you Trump for pissing on the Constitution though.....we need the pussy Conks in the Senate to finally make a stand.....are they for it or against it. ;) :nod:

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Ibanez wrote:
Baldy wrote: You spelled "progressive statists" wrong.
That's funny, I could swear it's a "republican" that just announced he's going to take from the DOD billions of dollars in addition the land from private landowners. Funny - I thought Congress had the power of the purse.
Conks are fine with taking money from the DOD....unless his name is Obama.

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You know it something with Ann Coulter the voice of reason. She’s jumped off the Trump Train and is calling out Trump.


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BDKJMU wrote:
Ibanez wrote:So, will the next Donk POTUS declare a national emergency on Gun Violence? What about healthcare?

Trump is going to lose in the court and declare "victory" and say he tried to get it done.
Not successfully. Even if SCOTUS (where this will end up) rules that Trump does have the authority in this case, he isn’t overturning a constitutional amendment, and no donk POTUS will be able to overturn 2A by a national emergency declaration.

And if SCOTUS rules like you say, that Trump doesn’t have the authority, then a donk POTUS won’t declare one on either above scenario..

So you are saying that Trump can ignore something in the Constitution, but your porn amendment would be off-limits good luck with that.
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Baldy wrote:
mainejeff wrote:
The needle is moving....and we have Donald J. Trump to thank for that. :nod:

The Constitution won't mean shit in another decade.... :kisswink:

:coffee:
You and your ilk certainly hope so, but you need to remember one thing...the people who believe in the Constitution are the ones who are armed. :nod:
No, they don't believe in the Constitution. Just one amendment
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Baldy wrote:
mainejeff wrote:
The needle is moving....and we have Donald J. Trump to thank for that. :nod:

The Constitution won't mean **** in another decade.... :kisswink:

:coffee:
You and your ilk certainly hope so, but you need to remember one thing...the people who believe in the Constitution are the ones who are armed. :nod:
I own a firearm. :coffee:

I know you're referring to libs in general, but anecdotally, I'd guess a third of my liberal/moderate friends own a gun. We just don't give a shit as much to flaunt them around. It's nothing special.
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dbackjon wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: Not successfully. Even if SCOTUS (where this will end up) rules that Trump does have the authority in this case, he isn’t overturning a constitutional amendment, and no donk POTUS will be able to overturn 2A by a national emergency declaration.

And if SCOTUS rules like you say, that Trump doesn’t have the authority, then a donk POTUS won’t declare one on either above scenario..

So you are saying that Trump can ignore something in the Constitution, but your porn amendment would be off-limits good luck with that.
Trump is honoring his oath, hes not ignoring anything!! I love liberal spin. you guys have to lie to get what you want its laughable :rofl: :rofl:
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

So you are saying that Trump can ignore something in the Constitution, but your porn amendment would be off-limits good luck with that.
Trump is honoring his oath, hes not ignoring anything!! I love liberal spin. you guys have to lie to get what you want its laughable :rofl: :rofl:
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Doesnt matter who pays for it, it needs to be done.

We pay for everything all over the world and you fucking losers wont spend 5 billion to secure our border. Hell we just mailed a shit ton of food to Venezuela today why I have no idea, they wanted socialism they shouldnt get bailed out when it fails......dont see you cunts bitching about the cost of that!

Keep spending!!! It what you guys do yet now you are mad at Trump. Its why we dont give a fuck
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
mainejeff wrote:Trump pulling an AlphaGriz right now......

Common sense evades you but the rest of America gets it, thank god they did before it was too late.
People who support and/or like Trump are in the minority. Trump does not at all represent majority sentiment. Most of America does not want his wall and most of America does not want him. Unfortunately we have a system that created the risk of having a critical mass of nut jobs put him in office in spite of having more people vote for the other major candidate. So here we are. We have someone who would stand up and give the kind of blithering, incoherent performance we saw from Trump today in the President's position.
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