New York wins Amazon HQ2 sweepstakes

[Ibanez]

What could AOC have done to keep Amazon in New York? She's a freshman Representative with no political capital in New York or Washington. She's only been on the job less than 3 months. And do you think she was able to negotiate or engage in quid pro quo while campaigning?

The blame really goes to New York City and New York State.

How so?

It's the state that has the ability to offer tax incentives and such to businesses wanting to come in. Sure, politicians help out, I don't deny that,but it's not solely the job of a freshman Representative to bring companies into their district and to get legislatures to approve of any additional tax benefits (like SC had to do with Boeing).

Additionally, the process to bring Amazon to NY started long before the 2018 elections. I'd say NY, it's various governments and tax policies are more to blame than AOC.


I know she protested it, but the state did a bad job of educating the public as well. 70% of the benefits are available to anyone. And they wanted Amazon to help the infrastructure and public schools in the surrounding area? Oh the horror!

SC has Boeing doing the same thing. Boeing hired my FiL to educate state schools on nutrition. It's working except for one part - a conglomerate of farmers has a lot of influence and isn't allowing small local farmers provide locally grown,seasonal foods.

[AZGrizFan]

I agree but that doesn’t fit my narrative so I’m going to ignore your analysis .

[Ibanez]

I agree but that doesn’t fit my narrative so I’m going to ignore your analysis .

I reject your reality and substitute my own.


I appreciate your honesty.

[Chizzang]

How so?

It's the state that has the ability to offer tax incentives and such to businesses wanting to come in. Sure, politicians help out, I don't deny that,but it's not solely the job of a freshman Representative to bring companies into their district and to get legislatures to approve of any additional tax benefits (like SC had to do with Boeing).

Additionally, the process to bring Amazon to NY started long before the 2018 elections. I'd say NY, it's various governments and tax policies are more to blame than AOC.


I know she protested it, but the state did a bad job of educating the public as well. 70% of the benefits are available to anyone. And they wanted Amazon to help the infrastructure and public schools in the surrounding area? Oh the horror!

SC has Boeing doing the same thing. Boeing hired my FiL to educate state schools on nutrition. It's working except for one part - a conglomerate of farmers has a lot of influence and isn't allowing small local farmers provide locally grown,seasonal foods.

Telling large scale corporations to go fuck themselves usually works out fine for the state and local community
When Washington told Boeing to go fuck themselves every right wing pundit predicted Washington would suffer

But that never happened
Boeing moved to South Carolina which is where that plant belonged frankly
and Washington State is still the No. 1 economy in the US

[AZGrizFan]

I agree but that doesn’t fit my narrative so I’m going to ignore your analysis .

I reject your reality and substitute my own.


I appreciate your honesty.

[Ibanez]

It's the state that has the ability to offer tax incentives and such to businesses wanting to come in. Sure, politicians help out, I don't deny that,but it's not solely the job of a freshman Representative to bring companies into their district and to get legislatures to approve of any additional tax benefits (like SC had to do with Boeing).

Additionally, the process to bring Amazon to NY started long before the 2018 elections. I'd say NY, it's various governments and tax policies are more to blame than AOC.


I know she protested it, but the state did a bad job of educating the public as well. 70% of the benefits are available to anyone. And they wanted Amazon to help the infrastructure and public schools in the surrounding area? Oh the horror!

SC has Boeing doing the same thing. Boeing hired my FiL to educate state schools on nutrition. It's working except for one part - a conglomerate of farmers has a lot of influence and isn't allowing small local farmers provide locally grown,seasonal foods.

Telling large scale corporations to go fuck themselves usually works out fine for the state and local community
When Washington told Boeing to go fuck themselves every right wing pundit predicted Washington would suffer

But that never happened
Boeing moved to South Carolina which is where that plant belonged frankly
and Washington State is still the No. 1 economy in the US

And SC has benefited greatly. It wasn’t all doom and gloom.


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[Chizzang]

Telling large scale corporations to go fuck themselves usually works out fine for the state and local community
When Washington told Boeing to go fuck themselves every right wing pundit predicted Washington would suffer

But that never happened
Boeing moved to South Carolina which is where that plant belonged frankly
and Washington State is still the No. 1 economy in the US

And SC has benefited greatly. It wasn’t all doom and gloom.

Bingo,
What works in South Carolina wouldn't work in Washington
and so goes the story

Too many state and city officials are so desperate to make business easy
They forget their responsibility to the citizens and infrastructure of their community

We've created a political environment where corporations expect a free ride
at the expense of literally everybody in the community



Each community needs to manage corporate expectations appropriately for their region

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I like this thought mentality. Wish more of your ilk thought like this. Seeing way too many Massachusetts and Delaware plates here in the upper Midwest.

I've been seeing a strange number of Missouris around lately.

WHAT IN THE FUCK IS GOING ON, FLAGGY??

They are all over eastern Montana working in the oil fields. #1 out of state plate I see driving around MT and it's not even close

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Saw one last night on my way home from work. Usually see a couple a week. Two have been the same vehicle (white, Chevy Impala and a grey, VW Jetta), but last night was a new one (Toyota sedan of some sort).

That's a lot from a state with less than one million residents. DE is the only state in the country to not have letters on their standard issue licence plates because digits are enough for everyone.

Maybe when Delaware learns the entire alphabet that will change..............

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[BDKJMU]

It's the state that has the ability to offer tax incentives and such to businesses wanting to come in. Sure, politicians help out, I don't deny that,but it's not solely the job of a freshman Representative to bring companies into their district and to get legislatures to approve of any additional tax benefits (like SC had to do with Boeing).

Additionally, the process to bring Amazon to NY started long before the 2018 elections. I'd say NY, it's various governments and tax policies are more to blame than AOC.


I know she protested it, but the state did a bad job of educating the public as well. 70% of the benefits are available to anyone. And they wanted Amazon to help the infrastructure and public schools in the surrounding area? Oh the horror!

SC has Boeing doing the same thing. Boeing hired my FiL to educate state schools on nutrition. It's working except for one part - a conglomerate of farmers has a lot of influence and isn't allowing small local farmers provide locally grown,seasonal foods.

Telling large scale corporations to go **** themselves usually works out fine for the state and local community
When Washington told Boeing to go **** themselves every right wing pundit predicted Washington would suffer

But that never happened
Boeing moved to South Carolina which is where that plant belonged frankly
and Washington State is still the No. 1 economy in the US

Wrong. Washington state isn't even remotely close to being the #1 economy in the US. You just completely pulled that out of your arse.

Washington State economy ranking among the states:
2017 overall GDP: 13th
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... ies_by_GDP
2018 GDP Growth rate (excluding DC): 22nd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... rowth_rate
Dec 2018 Unemployment: 40th
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
2015 median household income (excluding DC): 10th
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... _by_income

[Chizzang]

Telling large scale corporations to go **** themselves usually works out fine for the state and local community
When Washington told Boeing to go **** themselves every right wing pundit predicted Washington would suffer

But that never happened
Boeing moved to South Carolina which is where that plant belonged frankly
and Washington State is still the No. 1 economy in the US

Wrong. Washington state isn't even remotely close to being the #1 economy in the US. You just completely pulled that out of your arse.

Washington State economy ranking among the states:
2017 overall GDP: 13th
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... ies_by_GDP
2018 GDP Growth rate (excluding DC): 22nd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... rowth_rate
Dec 2018 Unemployment: 40th
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
2015 median household income (excluding DC): 10th
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... _by_income

Is that right..?
https://www.businessinsider.com/state-e ... 018-2018-6

[Chizzang]

Wrong. Washington state isn't even remotely close to being the #1 economy in the US. You just completely pulled that out of your arse.

Washington State economy ranking among the states:
2017 overall GDP: 13th
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... ies_by_GDP
2018 GDP Growth rate (excluding DC): 22nd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... rowth_rate
Dec 2018 Unemployment: 40th
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
2015 median household income (excluding DC): 10th
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... _by_income

Is that right..?
https://www.businessinsider.com/state-e ... 018-2018-6

The wiki article you call 2017 is dated 2016



Presently it's ranked 2nd... so I lied - you got me
https://www.businessinsider.com/state-e ... 018-2018-6

[CID1990]

How so?

It's the state that has the ability to offer tax incentives and such to businesses wanting to come in. Sure, politicians help out, I don't deny that,but it's not solely the job of a freshman Representative to bring companies into their district and to get legislatures to approve of any additional tax benefits (like SC had to do with Boeing).

Additionally, the process to bring Amazon to NY started long before the 2018 elections. I'd say NY, it's various governments and tax policies are more to blame than AOC.


I know she protested it, but the state did a bad job of educating the public as well. 70% of the benefits are available to anyone. And they wanted Amazon to help the infrastructure and public schools in the surrounding area? Oh the horror!

SC has Boeing doing the same thing. Boeing hired my FiL to educate state schools on nutrition. It's working except for one part - a conglomerate of farmers has a lot of influence and isn't allowing small local farmers provide locally grown,seasonal foods.

So all NY had to do was educate a few anti-corporatist millennials about the benefits of Amazon?

Who knew it could have been that easy? Just throw it on a bumper sticker... like “COEXIST”

[Ibanez]

It's the state that has the ability to offer tax incentives and such to businesses wanting to come in. Sure, politicians help out, I don't deny that,but it's not solely the job of a freshman Representative to bring companies into their district and to get legislatures to approve of any additional tax benefits (like SC had to do with Boeing).

Additionally, the process to bring Amazon to NY started long before the 2018 elections. I'd say NY, it's various governments and tax policies are more to blame than AOC.


I know she protested it, but the state did a bad job of educating the public as well. 70% of the benefits are available to anyone. And they wanted Amazon to help the infrastructure and public schools in the surrounding area? Oh the horror!

SC has Boeing doing the same thing. Boeing hired my FiL to educate state schools on nutrition. It's working except for one part - a conglomerate of farmers has a lot of influence and isn't allowing small local farmers provide locally grown,seasonal foods.

So all NY had to do was educate a few anti-corporatist millennials about the benefits of Amazon?

Who knew it could have been that easy? Just throw it on a bumper sticker... like “COEXIST”

I didn’t say that. Nice job at cherry picking.


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[kalm]

And SC has benefited greatly. It wasn’t all doom and gloom.

Bingo,
What works in South Carolina wouldn't work in Washington
and so goes the story

Too many state and city officials are so desperate to make business easy
They forget their responsibility to the citizens and infrastructure of their community

We've created a political environment where corporations expect a free ride
at the expense of literally everybody in the community



Each community needs to manage corporate expectations appropriately for their region

I’m just glad we’re moving on from the producers and takers angle from a few years back.

Everyone wants to extract money from the economy. Everyone feels entitled. This includes the wealthy and large corporations. They’re just better equipped to do it...which has very little to do with benefiting the greater good of cities,, counties, states, countries...

[BDKJMU]

Is that right..?
https://www.businessinsider.com/state-e ... 018-2018-6

The wiki article you call 2017 is dated 2016



Presently it's ranked 2nd... so I lied - you got me
https://www.businessinsider.com/state-e ... 018-2018-6

Nope, its 3rd according to US News Best States Economy 2018 ranking..
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... gs/economy

[CID1990]

So all NY had to do was educate a few anti-corporatist millennials about the benefits of Amazon?

Who knew it could have been that easy? Just throw it on a bumper sticker... like “COEXIST”

I didn’t say that. Nice job at cherry picking.


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I’m not cherry picking at all. You suggested the NY gov could have done a better job of making Amazon more palatable to New Yorkers

Once the anti corporatists decided they were against, it was over


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[Ivytalk]

The wiki article you call 2017 is dated 2016



Presently it's ranked 2nd... so I lied - you got me
https://www.businessinsider.com/state-e ... 018-2018-6

Nope, its 3rd according to US News Best States Economy 2018 ranking..
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... gs/economy

“Eastern Delaware” is 10th, eh? All that beach development? Tell that to the former stockholders of Wilmington Trust Company.

[Chizzang]

Somehow Bill Mahar makes this condescending but his point is still spot on...
If you can stomach the elitism - he does speak the truth - in the most annoying way possible

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[AZGrizFan]

More Loser talk. “Well, we won the GDP battle!” WAFJ. She simply can NOT get over the fact that she lost. And she still has zero idea WHY.

Trump won the places that feed America. That provides the wheat, grain, corn, vegetables, etc., etc. That clothe America. That provide the oil that America runs on. I’ll take those places 7 days a week and twice on Sunday compared to the shitholes like San Francisco, St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, Baltimore, New Orleans, etc., etc.

[Chizzang]

More Loser talk. “Well, we won the GDP battle!” WAFJ. She simply can NOT get over the fact that she lost. And she still has zero idea WHY.

Trump won the places that feed America. That provides the wheat, grain, corn, vegetables, etc., etc. That clothe America. That provide the oil that America runs on. I’ll take those places 7 days a week and twice on Sunday compared to the shitholes like San Francisco, St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, Baltimore, New Orleans, etc., etc.

AZ Never missing an opportunity to miss a point

[BDKJMU]

Maher is a moron. In his smug, condescending, prickness, he insinuates all of red America is made up of deplorables, without actually calling them deplorables. He talks about a “3 billion dollar tax bribe” like it was $$ NYC was spending. Its not. Instead of NYC getting 30 an estimated 30 billion off the Amazon deal, they would’ve gotten 27 billion. Now they get ZERO.
https://sfgate.com/news/article/New-Yor ... 634086.php
Classic case by liberals of cutting of their nose to spite their face.

[Chizzang]

Maher is a moron. In his smug, condescending, prickness, he insinuates all of red America is made up of deplorables, without actually calling them deplorables. He talks about a “3 billion dollar tax bribe” like it was $$ NYC was spending. Its not. Instead of NYC getting 30 an estimated 30 billion off the Amazon deal, they would’ve gotten 27 billion. Now they get ZERO.
https://sfgate.com/news/article/New-Yor ... 634086.php
Classic case by liberals of cutting of their nose to spite their face.

The point is NYC doesn't need Amazon... at all - not even slightly
and there are places like St. Louis that could totally benefit from it



No doubt he's condescending
but it's amazing how his simple point gets lost on those who you think would agree - because he's a dick

Similar to my previous point (which was missed because I'm a dick)
Seattle and Washington State don't need Boeing production jobs so Boeing can skate along tax free
and do nothing for the infrastructure

it's better for them to go where they are actually needed
Likewise
Amazon should go where they provide the most value to America - Hint: That's not NYC

[CID1990]

Somehow Bill Mahar makes this condescending but his point is still spot on...
If you can stomach the elitism - he does speak the truth - in the most annoying way possible

phpBB [video]

Somehow?

What do you mean.. "somehow"?

That's Maher being Maher - and he's actually pretty funny, but yes the elitism is likely a bit hard to take if you are one of those people living in a town where the mill shut down 10 years ago

And yes he's absolutely right .... fortunately his target audience is the people who need to be changing themselves - namely, people like him

But he exhibits the same anthropological attitude towards people who can be monolithically referred to as white, middle class - even he would shy away from talking about the other 5 billion people on this planet who are exactly like them, only browner

Personally, I have been thinking to myself over the last few weeks that the grievance peddling socialists who hate companies like Amazon are doing what they always do - but in this case if it pushes Amazon out into a place where AOC probably thinks they still cook over a fire after some good ol hunting and gathering, that would be a good thing

[AZGrizFan]

More Loser talk. “Well, we won the GDP battle!” WAFJ. She simply can NOT get over the fact that she lost. And she still has zero idea WHY.

Trump won the places that feed America. That provides the wheat, grain, corn, vegetables, etc., etc. That clothe America. That provide the oil that America runs on. I’ll take those places 7 days a week and twice on Sunday compared to the shitholes like San Francisco, St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, Baltimore, New Orleans, etc., etc.

AZ Never missing an opportunity to miss a point

I read the article, I saw the story. Maher is a pompous a-hole who hates most of America—he’s made that very clear for years, so I’m not sure why you’re somehow surprised that he was condescending here....doesn’t change the fact she STILL doesn’t know why she lost...and based on things the donk leadership continues to say, THEY don’t know why she lost either and are doubling down...good luck with that.

I do find it humorous that because I purposely IGNORED your point you are convinced I some how missed it.